Will “mass deportation” actually happen (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[Texan1211]

Sorry, that was a yes or no question. I will ask again.

Do you think it is acceptable to take legal asylum seekers, including children, and lie to them in order to transport them across the country and leave them on street corners with no money, no information, no proper clothing, and no local agencies even made aware of their arrival?

No.
Do you think it acceptable for sanctuaries to refuse to cooperate with federal law enforcement?

 

[MT15]

I don’t think that it quite right. Let me look it up:

For Chicago it means this:

“Chicago’s Welcoming City Ordinance means that the City will not ask about your immigration
status, disclose that information to authorities, or, most importantly, deny you City services
based on your immigration status.”

This aligns with my understanding. They won’t ask your status, nor report you. The reason for this is that undocumented people are often victims of crime, because it is assumed they will not go to police for fear of deportation. They were being horribly exploited and criminals were targeting them. This allows them to report crimes to police without fear of deportation. They won’t deny you police protection because of your status.

 

[MT15]

Here’s the link to Chicago’s version. It’s very simple.

https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/depts/mayor/Office%20of%20New%20Americans/PDFs/SanctuaryCitiesFAQs.pdf

 

[Texan1211]

I don’t think that it quite right. Let me look it up:

For Chicago it means this:

“Chicago’s Welcoming City Ordinance means that the City will not ask about your immigration
status, disclose that information to authorities, or, most importantly, deny you City services
based on your immigration status.”

This aligns with my understanding. They won’t ask your status, nor report you. The reason for this is that undocumented people are often victims of crime, because it is assumed they will not go to police for fear of deportation. They were being horribly exploited and criminals were targeting them. This allows them to report crimes to police without fear of deportation. They won’t deny you police protection because of your status.

You seem to have left out an important part.

n Illinois, Chicago and Evanston are the two cities designated as sanctuary cities. Chicago’s specific policy is known as the Welcoming City Ordinance and states that the city will not cooperate with federal immigration agencies and that police officers cannot inquire into a person’s immigration status. Evanston’s policy states that the city will not use any municipal resources to enforce federal immigration laws, and that city employees may not inquire into a person’s immigration status. https://www.uscisguide.com/state-regulations-and-laws/sanctuary-cities-in-illinois/

 

[CoolBrees]

Where do you live?
I would like to look the policy up for myself, as I find it difficult to believe that is the whole policy.

Ok first I live in Portland, but that doesn't matter.

What I described is what EVERY sanctuary city is.

Because that is what a sanctuary city is.

You not knowing that doesn't change the facts. It just means you are ignorant of the facts.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

No.

Then why did you say this:

The governors of Florida and Texas pulled off one the THE most brilliant political moves of our times by sending aliens to sanctuaries. It was the only thing that seemed to get the Biden Administration's attention regarding the border.

Do you think it acceptable for sanctuaries to refuse to cooperate with federal law enforcement?

In general, yes. It is not up to the states to enforce federal law. Municipalities get to decide how they deploy their law enforcement.

 

[MT15]

You seem to have left out an important part.

n Illinois, Chicago and Evanston are the two cities designated as sanctuary cities. Chicago’s specific policy is known as the Welcoming City Ordinance and states that the city will not cooperate with federal immigration agencies and that police officers cannot inquire into a person’s immigration status. Evanston’s policy states that the city will not use any municipal resources to enforce federal immigration laws, and that city employees may not inquire into a person’s immigration status. https://www.uscisguide.com/state-regulations-and-laws/sanctuary-cities-in-illinois/

Yes, we gave you the reason. The Chicago one says it is because they don’t view immigration status as a serious crime, and don’t want to spend city resources dealing with it. That way these immigrants can come forward if they themselves are the victim of a crime and report it.

They aren’t interfering with ICE, they just aren’t helping them by doing their job for them. And that is because the undocumented immigrants were being preyed on by violent criminals with no recourse.

Plus all the policies say they will detain any undocumented person if they are involved in criminal offenses.

 

[Texan1211]

Ok first I live in Portland, but that doesn't matter.

Actually, it does. While true that what you claimed is a mark of almost all sanctuaries, some have policies prohibiting any cooperation with the feds.
In your case, Portland refuses to hold anyone for ICE for any length of time at all.

You not knowing that doesn't change the facts. It just means you are ignorant of the facts.

Getting snarky because you think all sanctuaries are the same is a you problem.

 

[Texan1211]

Yes, we gave you the reason. The Chicago one says it is because they don’t view immigration status as a serious crime, and don’t want to spend city resources dealing with it. That way these immigrants can come forward if they themselves are the victim of a crime and report it.

They aren’t interfering with ICE, they just aren’t helping them by doing their job for them. And that is because the undocumented immigrants were being preyed on by violent criminals with no recourse.

Plus all the policies say they will detain any undocumented person if they are involved in criminal offenses.

Chicago policy is not to cooperate with the feds.
Here is what can happen within sanctuaries:https://www.grassley.senate.gov/new...es-allow-release-deportable-criminals-streets

 

[Texan1211]

Chicago policy is not to cooperate with the feds.
Here is what can happen within sanctuaries:https://www.grassley.senate.gov/new...es-allow-release-deportable-criminals-streets

And look at this:

Democratic cities begin quietly cooperating with ICE, director says

Some sanctuary cities that wouldn’t tell ICE when they released undocumented immigrants from jail are now doing so because of public concern about crime, said P.J. Lechleitner.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Texan1211]

Then why did you say this:

Well, mainly because it was a brilliant political move that accomplished something. You know that it is possible to recognize stuff even if you don't like it. It's like I don't like LeBron James but can easily recognize what a great player he is.

Then why did you say this:







In general, yes. It is not up to the states to enforce federal law. Municipalities get to decide how they deploy their law enforcement.

Sure they do. I don't see the feds asking for them to do their jobs, just to cooperate. Say a convicted alien serves his time and is set to be released. He is a dangerous criminal with a history of crime. Would it not be better for the general population if he was removed and deported? It appears sanctuaries are biting off their noses to spite their faces.

 

[MT15]

Chicago policy is not to cooperate with the feds.
Here is what can happen within sanctuaries:https://www.grassley.senate.gov/new...es-allow-release-deportable-criminals-streets

Their policy says that the sanctuary status doesn’t apply to criminals. So it’s clear that every city is doing their own thing. And your statement from Grassley is almost a decade old. Get up to date. Sanctuary cities are not doing what you think they are. The changes talked about in your NBC article happened recently, as cities have evaluated their policies and changed them for the better.

Chicago, for example:

“The only situations in which Chicago will detain undocumented individuals are if they are
wanted on a criminal warrant by local or federal authorities, if they have been convicted of a
serious crime and remain in the United States illegally, or if they are otherwise a clear threat to
public safety or national security.”

 

[Texan1211]

Their policy says that the sanctuary status doesn’t apply to criminals. So it’s clear that every city is doing their own thing. And your statement from Grassley is almost a decade old. Get up to date. Sanctuary cities are not doing what you think they are.

“The only situations in which Chicago will detain undocumented individuals are if they are
wanted on a criminal warrant by local or federal authorities, if they have been convicted of a
serious crime and remain in the United States illegally, or if they are otherwise a clear threat to
public safety or national security.”

Some jurisdictions release dangerous convicted felons after their sentences without notifying ICE or bothering to cooperate. I'm just happy my state doesn't do that crap.
BTW, Chicago will certainly not cooperate. You wanted something newer?
here:

ERO Chicago arrests 44 criminal noncitizens during local enforcement action

On Nov. 16, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) Chicago Field Office Director LaDeon Francis announced the results of a local enforcement operation conducted between Oct. 23 – Nov. 3 during which officers apprehended 44 removable noncitizens determined to be a threat to national security...

www.ice.gov

"This targeted enforcement operation was implemented to address unlawfully present noncitizens with felonies or misdemeanors for domestic violence, sexual abuse or exploitation, unlawful possession or use of a firearm, drug distribution or trafficking, or driving under the influence, and noncitizens with an executable final order of removal who have unlawfully reentered the United States after having been previously removed. Each noncitizen arrested during the enforcement operation had immigration detainers placed on them that were not honored within Illinois. The noncitizens were released to the public without notifying ERO."

Plese tell me again how Chicago cooperates?

 

[Texan1211]

Some jurisdictions release dangerous convicted felons after their sentences without notifying ICE or bothering to cooperate. I'm just happy my state doesn't do that crap.
BTW, Chicago will certainly not cooperate. You wanted something newer?
here:

ERO Chicago arrests 44 criminal noncitizens during local enforcement action

On Nov. 16, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) Chicago Field Office Director LaDeon Francis announced the results of a local enforcement operation conducted between Oct. 23 – Nov. 3 during which officers apprehended 44 removable noncitizens determined to be a threat to national security...

www.ice.gov

"This targeted enforcement operation was implemented to address unlawfully present noncitizens with felonies or misdemeanors for domestic violence, sexual abuse or exploitation, unlawful possession or use of a firearm, drug distribution or trafficking, or driving under the influence, and noncitizens with an executable final order of removal who have unlawfully reentered the United States after having been previously removed. Each noncitizen arrested during the enforcement operation had immigration detainers placed on them that were not honored within Illinois. The noncitizens were released to the public without notifying ERO."

Plese tell me again how Chicago cooperates?

Or do you feel that Biden Admin. officials are liars and are making this up?

 

[Texan1211]

But they were here illegally before they were granted citizenship. You claim that matters.

Well, after being granted citizenship, don't you think it is just a little late to do anything to them now? It isn't like they hid out or anything.
I prefer to worry over the ones not granted citizenship already, as that ship has sailed!

 

[MT15]

Well, after being granted citizenship, don't you think it is just a little late to do anything to them now? It isn't like they hid out or anything.
I prefer to worry over the ones not granted citizenship already, as that ship has sailed!

Ok, then what about the thousands upon thousands of of people who are currently doing what the Musk brothers and Melania Trump did? Do you want them to be rounded up and put in camps before being deported?

 

[J-DONK]

Ok, then what about the thousands upon thousands of of people who are currently doing what the Musk brothers and Melania Trump did? Do you want them to be rounded up and put in camps before being deported?

It's hilarious to me that Elon was 100% without a doubt an illegal immigrant. He came over on a student visa, and immediately dropped out. He then illegally joined a startup without a work visa. He has tried to lie through his teeth on something extremely clear, and will provide zero, easy obtainable documentation to back up his claims.

140k people work at Tesla
13k at Spacex
1.3k at Twitter

That's over 150k jobs created by one illegal immigrant. He also funded your dear leader's presidential campaign.

If there is a God, he is making fun of conseratives.

 

[Texan1211]

Ok, then what about the thousands upon thousands of of people who are currently doing what the Musk brothers and Melania Trump did? Do you want them to be rounded up and put in camps before being deported?

I want illegal aliens deported. Isn't that at all clear by now? Put in camps???????Wow, lol