Will “mass deportation” actually happen (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[coldseat]

If it does, that's what the majority of people voted for.

 

[MT15]

My guess is he will carry out some token and widely publicized deportations, and then quit talking about it or claim that it solved the border problem.

He won’t deport 10 million people, I hope. It is disconcerting to hear them proclaim that he will, and that it will include US citizens and legal residents. It is disconcerting to hear that the private prison corporations are gearing up to take on a whole lot of people.

It’s not a bad idea to stock up on shelf stable food - canned goods of all sorts, meats, veggies fruits. Yeah, they’re not as appealing as the fresh or frozen we’re used to, but they will get you through a food crisis if he does go crazy with deportation.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I really don't know. I think he's going to have more competent people in place at the start than he did last time. His attempted Muslim ban failed at first b/c they were too naked in what they were doing, but then they just re-skinned it and got it through the courts.

I think there's a decent chance that he tries to use broad executive powers to mobilize more resources to start finding undocument immigrants to deport, and they will start violating fourth amendment rights, resulting in US citizens having to spend time and resources to fight charges of being undocumented. They will get a lot of undocumented immigrants, but I doubt it will be 10 million or whatever.. I think less than half, which will still be a major disruption.

 

[B4YOU]

Republicans could pass a law reducing state funding for sanctuary cities/counties/states. They could mandate E-verify. They could get a Safe Third Country Agreement with Mexico. They could adopt other push factors that encourage "self-deporation".

What I don't think they will do is expand/hire ICE to allow for federal deportation of 10M people.

 

[SystemShock]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

Remains to be seen, but comparing deportation to the Holocaust? Come on...

 

[coldseat]

Remains to be seen, but compare deportation to the Holocaust? Come on...

It's the rounding up of people part. Whenever any government does that, it never ends well.

But even if it does happen, there's enough propoganda control of right wing media for the vast majority of people to say it's not happening or it's all exaggerated. The people that voted for Trump either want it to happen or will be comfortable denying it if it does. So .....

 

[SystemShock]

It's the rounding up of people part.

And that's 80% the same as the Holocaust?

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

And that's 80% the same as the Holocaust?

The Holocaust started out as deportations. Mein Kampf said that Jews were poisoning the blood of the German people.

So, the imagery is the same.... I'd rather not take a chance that it evolves further.

 

[coldseat]

And that's 80% the same as the Holocaust?

I don't know that it's 80%. I'm sure that was just a bit of hyperbole by superchuck. But it's not 0%. It's probably 30% - 40% chance with the rhetoric, the extremism on the right and the conditioning of our society.

Why are we even having to talk about something Hitler and Nazi related happening, and the chance of it happening in the US aren't 0%?

This is where we are today as a society.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

They are already back tracking and saying he only meant criminal migrants.

It will be like the wall. He won't do it, but the cult will still say he did because that's how cults work. He knows he can say anything in the world, not do it, and one third of the country will say he did.

Its science.

 

[Neworleansfan]

Can’t deport cheap laborers. Who is going to fix your roofs, rebuild your cities after natural disasters, or work your farms.

 

[Lapaz]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

Hitler tried mass deportations for years but he had trouble getting countries to take them. He gave up and then issued the final solution. That’s what concerns me. It starts as an unreasonable blame game that stirs up hate, and then gives permission to mistreat people and that could lead to more atrocious acts. The big question will be will Trumpsters have any decency. Some in gear seem to think they don’t deserve to be called deplorable. We’ll see.

 

[Lapaz]

I really don't know. I think he's going to have more competent people in place at the start than he did last time. His attempted Muslim ban failed at first b/c they were too naked in what they were doing, but then they just re-skinned it and got it through the courts.

I think there's a decent chance that he tries to use broad executive powers to mobilize more resources to start finding undocument immigrants to deport, and they will start violating fourth amendment rights, resulting in US citizens having to spend time and resources to fight charges of being undocumented. They will get a lot of undocumented immigrants, but I doubt it will be 10 million or whatever.. I think less than half, which will still be a major disruption.

Trump never defined mass, but he said it would be largest in history. Biden actually was deporting more than Trump, but as usual the perception was not accurate. Biden never touted it.

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I suspect there will be a lot of self-deportation along with law enforcement deportations. If he were to deport 5 million immigrants within the next year, that would represent about 4 times the usual amount. If he were to do that, it would take huge resources and result in huge civil rights violations. It would also throw the economy into a tailspin. If he keeps his promise, it will be ugly. It will depend on the rate of deportations.

 

[SystemShock]

The Holocaust started out as deportations. Mein Kampf said that Jews were poisoning the blood of the German people.

So, the imagery is the same.... I'd rather not take a chance that it evolves further.

I'm pretty sure the Holocaust started when the Nazis came up with "the final solution to the Jewish problem". and the first event of this solution, was shooting a bunch of Jews, in groups of 8, in a big ditch.

 

[Lapaz]

I'm pretty sure the Holocaust started when the Nazis came up with "the final solution to the Jewish problem". and the first event of this solution, was shooting a bunch of Jews, in groups of 8, in a big ditch.

The final solution was issued only after they failed to deport the Jews. Hitler blamed the Jews for the recession and other ills of society. Trump will cause a recession with the tariffs, and then blame immigrants. He is already blaming immigrants for crime, even though they are far more law abiding than Americans. Hitler was a lying demagogue. It is very similar. His supporters need to get educated about the similarities. That is why history is important.

 

[superchuck500]

Remains to be seen, but comparing deportation to the Holocaust? Come on...

What I said was about 80% (just a rough gauge) is very similar. You tell me where I’m wrong.

Early phase:
Identify the target group, mobilize government resources to move into communities to begin the process. Rely on various sources of information in the records and community to identify individuals to be handled by the program. There will be some ambiguity here because the forces in the community will not always know the actual status of individuals and rely on reports and information.

Middle Phase:
Capture individuals believed to be in the target group, sequester them and transport them for further processing. In detention centers, process those individuals to confirm status and obtain final disposition instructions.

Final phase:
Disposition of individuals per the resolution as identified in previous phase.

In the final phase of the Holocaust, individuals were disposed to work camps or death camps. In the plan for mass deportation, individuals will be detained until final status is determined and then presumably deported to the nation of origin per the determination.

Apart from the final disposition it’s basically the same - and I invite you to explain where this detail is wrong.

 

[superchuck500]

Again, tell me how this is different. “They deserve to be taken away, sometimes you have to do tough stuff.”