Trump Election Interference / Falsification of Business Records Criminal Trial (Trump guilty on all 34 Counts) (1 Viewer)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

What will happen now that former President Donald Trump was found guilty (in 34 counts) by the jury?
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Speculation on the judge relating to sentencing?
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Appeals?
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Political Damage?
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Trump found guilty on all 34 counts of falsifying business records. Here's a breakdown.

A New York jury unanimously found Donald Trump guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, a stunning conclusion to the historic trial of the former president.

www.yahoo.com

 

[LA - L.A.]

The. Fraud statute also has potential issues. It may be deficient.

No it doesn't and no it's not. This guy is not the guy to be taking or listening to for legal advice. If he something's so, you can bank on the exact opposite being the legal truth.

Search for SuperChuck's post if you want to understand what the actual law is. SuperChuck is an attorney who is non-partisan. @Sendai is just making up stuff to try to fool people into thinking Trump didn't break the law.

 

[Sendai]

So you don't understand the role property values play in income taxes either. Good to know.

I'm glad that this case is safely in the hands judges who understand the actual laws, instead of it being in Trump's and your hands.

How about an example of when a property value is part of income. Obviously if the property is sold. But simply stating the value of a piece of property isn’t income.

 

[Sendai]

I guess we’ll just wait and see what the courts decide. It’s an 8th amendment issue so it could find its way to federal court.

 

[MT15]

No one from the banks specified the financial damages.

They were specified, however. The figure wasn’t pulled out of thin air. I don’t think it matters if the banks testify to it because it isn’t needed. The figures are known without them.

 

[RobF]

They were specified, however. The figure wasn’t pulled out of thin air. I don’t think it matters if the banks testify to it because it isn’t needed. The figures are known without them.

As I understand it, they weren't based on damages to victims, they were based on ill gotten gains.

From a quick Google, this article seems to cover it: https://reason.com/2024/02/19/how-a-judge-arrived-at-a-staggering-disgorgement-order-against-trump/

On its face, a penalty of nearly half a billion dollars is hard to fathom given that no lender or insurer claimed it suffered a financial loss as a result of the transactions at the center of the case, which was brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James. But the law under which James sued Trump and his co-defendants does not require any such loss. The money demanded by Engoron's 92-page decision, which goes to the state rather than individual claimants, is styled not as damages but as "disgorgement" of "ill-gotten gains." It is aimed not at compensating people who were allegedly harmed by Trump's misrepresentations but at deterring dishonesty that threatens "the financial marketplace."​

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Emphasis added. So commentary about an absence of victims seems to be based on ignorance as to the basis of the ruling.

 

[MT15]

Thanks, Rob! I knew it was definitely based on something quantifiable.

 

[RobF]

Thanks, Rob! I knew it was definitely based on something quantifiable.

The ruling itself goes into the detail, as you'd expect.

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=CJKA2EOIiTRatUAYz6FyeA==&system=prod

Starting from page 81 I think.

 

[barbar]

. @Sendai is just making up stuff to try to fool ***himself*** into thinking Trump didn't break the law.

Fixed it for you

 

[Dragon]

Here is the appeal.

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www.courthousenews.com

Go to page 25.

This is where the appeal succeeds in part.

There are no injured parties. There are no definable monetary damages. 8th amendment.

Expect the fine to be drastically reduced.

So if you run a red ligth without hitting anyone - you should not pay the ticket because no one was hurt ?

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Didn't Jenna agree to flip in Georgia too...

Arizona AG drops election subversion charges against former Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis in exchange for testimony | CNN Politics

Former Donald Trump 2020 campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in the Arizona election subversion case, the state’s attorney general announced Monday, and charges against her will be dropped.

www.cnn.com

 

[LA - L.A.]

Didn't Jenna agree to flip in Georgia too...

Arizona AG drops election subversion charges against former Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis in exchange for testimony | CNN Politics

Former Donald Trump 2020 campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in the Arizona election subversion case, the state’s attorney general announced Monday, and charges against her will be dropped.

www.cnn.com

I'm convinced that Trump will try to flee to Russia, China or North Korea if he loses the election. I'm also convinced that he will find out the hard way that they think he's an idiot and won't do anything to help him.

 

[Optimus Prime]

NEW YORK (AP) — A federal judge on Tuesday rejected Donald Trump’s request to intervene in his New York hush money criminal case, thwarting the former president’s latest bid to overturn his felony conviction and delay his sentencing.

U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein ruled that Trump had not satisfied the burden of proof required for a federal court to take control of the case from the state court where it was tried.

Hellerstein’s ruling came hours after Manhattan prosecutors raised objections to Trump ‘s effort to delay post-trial decisions in the case while he sought to have the federal court step in.

The Manhattan district attorney’s office argued in a letter to the judge presiding over the case in state court that he had no legal obligation to hold off on post-trial decisions and wait for Hellerstein to rule.

Prosecutors urged the trial judge, Juan M. Merchan, not to delay his rulings on two key defense requests: Trump’s call to delay sentencing until after the November election, and his bid to overturn the verdict and dismiss the case in the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court’s presidential immunity ruling.

Merchan has said he will rule Sept. 16 on Trump’s motion to overturn the verdict. His decision on delaying sentencing has been expected in the coming days.…….

Federal judge rejects Donald Trump's request to intervene in wake of hush money conviction

A federal judge has rejected Donald Trump’s request to intervene in his New York hush money criminal case, thwarting the former president’s latest bid to overturn his felony conviction and delay his sentencing.

apnews.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

NEW YORK (AP) — A judge agreed Friday to postpone Donald Trump’s sentencing in his hush money case until after the November election, granting him a hard-won reprieve as he navigates the aftermath of his criminal conviction and the homestretch of his presidential campaign.

Manhattan Judge Juan M. Merchan, who is also weighing a defense request to overturn the verdict on immunity grounds, delayed Trump’s sentencing until Nov. 26, several weeks after the final votes are cast in the presidential election.

It had been scheduled for Sept. 18, about seven weeks before Election Day.

Trump’s lawyers pushed for the delay on multiple fronts, petitioning the judge and asking a federal court to intervene. They argued that punishing the former president and current Republican nominee in the thick of his campaign to retake the White House would amount to election interference.…..

Judge delays Donald Trump’s sentencing in hush money case until after November election

Judge Juan M. Merchan, who is also weighing a defense request to overturn the verdict on immunity grounds, delayed Trump’s sentencing until Nov. 26.

apnews.com

 

[fooferdoggie]

NEW YORK (AP) — A judge agreed Friday to postpone Donald Trump’s sentencing in his hush money case until after the November election, granting him a hard-won reprieve as he navigates the aftermath of his criminal conviction and the homestretch of his presidential campaign.

Manhattan Judge Juan M. Merchan, who is also weighing a defense request to overturn the verdict on immunity grounds, delayed Trump’s sentencing until Nov. 26, several weeks after the final votes are cast in the presidential election.

It had been scheduled for Sept. 18, about seven weeks before Election Day.

Trump’s lawyers pushed for the delay on multiple fronts, petitioning the judge and asking a federal court to intervene. They argued that punishing the former president and current Republican nominee in the thick of his campaign to retake the White House would amount to election interference.…..

Judge delays Donald Trump’s sentencing in hush money case until after November election

Judge Juan M. Merchan, who is also weighing a defense request to overturn the verdict on immunity grounds, delayed Trump’s sentencing until Nov. 26.

apnews.com

fork. poor trump some people get all the breaks.

 

[Nebaghead]

NEW YORK (AP) — A judge agreed Friday to postpone Donald Trump’s sentencing in his hush money case until after the November election, granting him a hard-won reprieve as he navigates the aftermath of his criminal conviction and the homestretch of his presidential campaign.

Manhattan Judge Juan M. Merchan, who is also weighing a defense request to overturn the verdict on immunity grounds, delayed Trump’s sentencing until Nov. 26, several weeks after the final votes are cast in the presidential election.

It had been scheduled for Sept. 18, about seven weeks before Election Day.

Trump’s lawyers pushed for the delay on multiple fronts, petitioning the judge and asking a federal court to intervene. They argued that punishing the former president and current Republican nominee in the thick of his campaign to retake the White House would amount to election interference.…..

Judge delays Donald Trump’s sentencing in hush money case until after November election

Judge Juan M. Merchan, who is also weighing a defense request to overturn the verdict on immunity grounds, delayed Trump’s sentencing until Nov. 26.

apnews.com

Honestly, whenever something happens with this case, he gets a bump in support. This can shut him up about whining how he is part of a witch hunt.

 

[Optimus Prime]

tell me again about the rigged legal system

 

[barbar]

NEW YORK (AP) — A judge agreed Friday to postpone Donald Trump’s sentencing in his hush money case until after the November election, granting him a hard-won reprieve as he navigates the aftermath of his criminal conviction and the homestretch of his presidential campaign.

Manhattan Judge Juan M. Merchan, who is also weighing a defense request to overturn the verdict on immunity grounds, delayed Trump’s sentencing until Nov. 26, several weeks after the final votes are cast in the presidential election.

It had been scheduled for Sept. 18, about seven weeks before Election Day.

Trump’s lawyers pushed for the delay on multiple fronts, petitioning the judge and asking a federal court to intervene. They argued that punishing the former president and current Republican nominee in the thick of his campaign to retake the White House would amount to election interference.…..

Judge delays Donald Trump’s sentencing in hush money case until after November election

Judge Juan M. Merchan, who is also weighing a defense request to overturn the verdict on immunity grounds, delayed Trump’s sentencing until Nov. 26.

apnews.com

Just....uggggh.

NOTHING sticks to this dude. His entire life has been lived in bad business deals, horrible behavior, sex assault, and crimes. He has never been held accountable for anything.

 

[Nebaghead]

Just....uggggh.

NOTHING sticks to this dude. His entire life has been lived in bad business deals, horrible behavior, sex assault, and crimes. He has never been held accountable for anything.

If he loses this election, there will be an avalanche of crap that hits him. I don’t think he was kidding about Venzuela when talking to Musk.