House Select Committee Hearings on Jan. 6 (1 Viewer)
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Well, that all sounds....nebulous.
I do hope the committee can nail at least one of them to the wall. Curious to see the evidence.
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This is not surprising. In the internet age, idiocy travels at the speed of light.
Boebert was live tweeting Pelosi's location during the insurrection.
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What is the Coup d'Etat?
In his foreword to 1979’s revised edition of Edward Luttwak’s Coup d’Etat: A Practical Handbook, Walter Laqueur describes the work as “the brilliant and original book of a then very young man.” A clear factor in the immediate and wide attention paid to the book upon its original publication in...harvardpress.typepad.com
"The Definition of the Coup: A coup d’etat involves some elements of all these different methods by which power can be seized but, unlike most of them, the coup is not necessarily assisted by either the intervention of the masses, or, to any significant degree, by military-type force.
The assistance of these forms of direct force would no doubt make it easier to seize power, but it would be unrealistic to think that they would be available to the organizers of a coup. Because we will not be in charge of the armed forces we cannot hope to start the planning of a coup with sizeable military units already under our control, nor will the pre-coup government usually allow us to carry out the propaganda and organization necessary to make effective use of the “broad masses of the people.”
A second distinguishing feature of a coup is that it does not imply any particular political orientation. Revolutions are usually “leftist” while the putsch and the pronunciamiento are usually initiated by right-wing forces. A coup, however, is politically neutral, and there is no presumption that any particular policies will be followed after the seizure of power. It is true that many coups have been of a decidedly right-wing character but there is nothing inevitable about this.*
If a coup does not make use of the masses, or of warfare, what instrument of power will enable it to seize control of the state? The short answer is that the power will come from the state itself. The long answer makes up the bulk of this book. The following is our formal and functional definition:
A coup consists of the infiltration of a small but critical segment of the state apparatus, which is then used to displace the government from its control of the remainder.
*The Greek coup has reinforced this image of the “reactionary coup” but the Syrian coup of 1966, the Iraqi of 1958, the Yemeni of 1962 were all essentially leftist, if hardly liberal or progressive.
From there, Luttwak outlines the conditions in which a coup is possible, followed by chapters on strategy, planning, and execution. A practical handbook, indeed."
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What they’re saying on pro Trump sites
Maybe after viewing Farb will grace us with his opinion that he just read
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Former president Donald Trump’s supporters scrambled to defend him online in the hours after the Jan. 6 committee’s hearings began, seeking to sow doubt about his involvement via the same social media channels that had captured clear evidence linking him to the Capitol assault.
In so doing, they reinforced the unmistakable role social media played in the 2021 insurrection and made clear that his supporters are determined to remain a major internet force, despite Trump’s ban from major platforms such as Twitter, Facebook and YouTube.
Trump War Room, a Twitter account once run by his reelection campaign, tweeted, “Trump and the rally had nothing to do with the Capitol breach!,” defying the House committee’s effort to pin responsibility for the riot squarely on Trump.
On the message board Patriots.win — a spinoff of TheDonald.win, where members had shared ideas on how to sneak guns into Washington before the riot — a popular thread Friday called Jan. 6 “the most patriotic thing I’ve ever seen” and said anyone who disagrees is “an enemy of the nation.”
And on pro-Trump channels on the chat service Telegram, supporters ridiculed the hearing as overly scripted or a partisan circus, if they mentioned it at all.
The outpouring of Trump support came in response to a hearing that brought together new testimony with previously unreleased footage to document both the gravity of the attack on the Capitol and Trump’s role in spurring it.
It also underscored how the social media landscape has shifted in the 17 months since Trump was suspended by the leading online platforms for his role in fanning the violent attempts to overturn Joe Biden’s election as president.
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Former president Donald Trump’s supporters scrambled to defend him online in the hours after the Jan. 6 committee’s hearings began, seeking to sow doubt about his involvement via the same social media channels that had captured clear evidence linking him to the Capitol assault.
In so doing, they reinforced the unmistakable role social media played in the 2021 insurrection and made clear that his supporters are determined to remain a major internet force, despite Trump’s ban from major platforms such as Twitter, Facebook and YouTube.
Trump War Room, a Twitter account once run by his reelection campaign, tweeted, “Trump and the rally had nothing to do with the Capitol breach!,” defying the House committee’s effort to pin responsibility for the riot squarely on Trump.
On the message board Patriots.win — a spinoff of TheDonald.win, where members had shared ideas on how to sneak guns into Washington before the riot — a popular thread Friday called Jan. 6 “the most patriotic thing I’ve ever seen” and said anyone who disagrees is “an enemy of the nation.”
And on pro-Trump channels on the chat service Telegram, supporters ridiculed the hearing as overly scripted or a partisan circus, if they mentioned it at all.
The outpouring of Trump support came in response to a hearing that brought together new testimony with previously unreleased footage to document both the gravity of the attack on the Capitol and Trump’s role in spurring it.
It also underscored how the social media landscape has shifted in the 17 months since Trump was suspended by the leading online platforms for his role in fanning the violent attempts to overturn Joe Biden’s election as president.
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Users of Donald Trump's Truth Social claim they were suspended after posting about Jan. 6 committee hearings
Truth Social users claim they were suspended by Donald Trump's platform, contradicting the site's pledge to defend free speech.
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Trump's Truth Social is SUSPENDING users who post about Jan 6 hearings
Users are taking to Twitter to claim Donald Trump's media platform Truth Social suspended their accounts after they posted about the Democrats' January 6 hearings that kicked off Thursday.
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Bill Stepian has announced he won’t be testifying this morning due to a “family emergency”. I think he’s under subpoena, isn’t he? So maybe Wednesday? They better make sure he isn’t changing his testimony.
Update: his wife is in labor.
Update: his wife is in labor.
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Users of Donald Trump's Truth Social claim they were suspended after posting about Jan. 6 committee hearings
Truth Social users claim they were suspended by Donald Trump's platform, contradicting the site's pledge to defend free speech.Trump's Truth Social is SUSPENDING users who post about Jan 6 hearings
Users are taking to Twitter to claim Donald Trump's media platform Truth Social suspended their accounts after they posted about the Democrats' January 6 hearings that kicked off Thursday.www.dailymail.co.uk
This is just rich to see. I don't even think Parler was that bad... lol.
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"The Big Rip-Off"
That last video tying in the fundraising push to the overall election fraud case and "The Big Lie" was key. It's an additional motive along with staying in power.
That last video tying in the fundraising push to the overall election fraud case and "The Big Lie" was key. It's an additional motive along with staying in power.
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rudy is going to swear he doesnt drink!!..countdown....10..9..8....
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What I got most from this was that you had a number of Trump loyalists telling him that he lost or that his fraud claims were bs and nonsensical. Trump basically ignored all of that and i imagine he threatened anyone who didn't agree, which I think explains in part why a lot of them wouldn't speak up.
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...they all told him he was wrong and they all think, and thot, he is nuts.
what is it that scared them so bad this is the first time theyve spoken up while
putting the entire country in such deep grave danger for so long?
what does frump do that so terrorizes those near him?.....they beg borrow and steal For Him.
his fans still GIVE him their money. the working fans still give this "Piece" money.....
OR....its made to look that way to disguise the real back sources of so much "donated" money.
Nothing...No Thing these frumpies do is legit. and master jared knows all about it.
what is it that scared them so bad this is the first time theyve spoken up while
putting the entire country in such deep grave danger for so long?
what does frump do that so terrorizes those near him?.....they beg borrow and steal For Him.
his fans still GIVE him their money. the working fans still give this "Piece" money.....
OR....its made to look that way to disguise the real back sources of so much "donated" money.
Nothing...No Thing these frumpies do is legit. and master jared knows all about it.
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Of course. I doubt anyone questions that Trump is a textbook narcissist. In that way he's almost childlike in the ability to be persuaded with shallow flattery or merely repeating the nonsense that he spews.
Not surprisingly, the Republican response has been very much "nothing to see here, move along," arguing that without a smoking gun where Trump directly instructed people to attack the Capitol it's just Democrats hating on Trump, and ignoring everything else he did both in the run up to and following the election.
However, the argument they advanced today had nothing to do with January 6 except as a larger attempt to perpetrate a fraud against the American people. They seem to be making a pretty clear argument that Trump was aware that he would likely lose, and had people inside his administration telling him he had lost and that the allegations of fraud were untrue, and yet he persisted with his attempts to remain in power.
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It seems to be setting up charges for conspiracy to defraud the American people -- which he clearly was trying to do. He lost, yet he tried to lie his way into a second term, against the will of the people, and knowing from his advisors that his fraud claims were unsupported. The only Republican defense can be that he was so detached from reality he believed the lies being told to him (basically that he's insane).
Either way, that Republicans continue to support him, and say that they would vote for him if he was the nominee in 2024, is very disturbing. They're either willing to support a unrepentant liar and con-artist or they're willing to support a crazy person (and Trump might be both), just as long as he's on their team.
However, the argument they advanced today had nothing to do with January 6 except as a larger attempt to perpetrate a fraud against the American people. They seem to be making a pretty clear argument that Trump was aware that he would likely lose, and had people inside his administration telling him he had lost and that the allegations of fraud were untrue, and yet he persisted with his attempts to remain in power.
Analysis: The 14 most compelling lines from today's January 6 committee hearing
For the second time in the last five days, the January 6 committee met publicly to make its case that former President Donald Trump knew he was lying about fraud in the 2020 election -- and did it anyway.
www.cnn.comIt seems to be setting up charges for conspiracy to defraud the American people -- which he clearly was trying to do. He lost, yet he tried to lie his way into a second term, against the will of the people, and knowing from his advisors that his fraud claims were unsupported. The only Republican defense can be that he was so detached from reality he believed the lies being told to him (basically that he's insane).
Either way, that Republicans continue to support him, and say that they would vote for him if he was the nominee in 2024, is very disturbing. They're either willing to support a unrepentant liar and con-artist or they're willing to support a crazy person (and Trump might be both), just as long as he's on their team.
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Yeah, he tried to perpetrate a coup.Not surprisingly, the Republican response has been very much "nothing to see here, move along," arguing that without a smoking gun where Trump directly instructed people to attack the Capitol it's just Democrats hating on Trump, and ignoring everything else he did both in the run up to and following the election.
However, the argument they advanced today had nothing to do with January 6 except as a larger attempt to perpetrate a fraud against the American people. They seem to be making a pretty clear argument that Trump was aware that he would likely lose, and had people inside his administration telling him he had lost and that the allegations of fraud were untrue, and yet he persisted with his attempts to remain in power.
Analysis: The 14 most compelling lines from today's January 6 committee hearing
For the second time in the last five days, the January 6 committee met publicly to make its case that former President Donald Trump knew he was lying about fraud in the 2020 election -- and did it anyway.
It seems to be setting up charges for conspiracy to defraud the American people -- which he clearly was trying to do. He lost, yet he tried to lie his way into a second term, against the will of the people, and knowing from his advisors that his fraud claims were unsupported. The only Republican defense can be that he was so detached from reality he believed the lies being told to him (basically that he's insane).
Either way, that Republicans continue to support him, and say that they would vote for him if he was the nominee in 2024, is very disturbing. They're either willing to support a unrepentant liar and con-artist or they're willing to support a crazy person (and Trump might be both), just as long as he's on their team.
"A coup consists of the infiltration of a small but critical segment of the state apparatus, which is then used to displace the government from its control of the remainder."
https://harvardpress.typepad.com/hup_publicity/2013/07/edward-luttwak-coup-d-etat.html
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