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From the above article:
"Cheney implored people watching at home to "focus on the evidence. Don't be distracted by politics. This is serious. We can't allow America to become a nation of conspiracies and thug violence."
But there's little evidence any of this will change most conservatives' minds. Trump supporters have long been selling themselves a narrative of Trump that they have internalized. That has become nearly impossible to pierce, especially with facts.
Georgia election official Gabriel Sterling got to this point well. He noted that he argued with family members who were believing what Trump was telling them about a stolen election that wasn't.
"The problem you have is you're getting into people's hearts," Sterling said.
He relayed a story about a lawyer he knew sympathetic to Trump. Sterling took him through allegations they investigated and showed him, one by one, that they didn't stand up to scrutiny.
"I just know in my heart that they cheated," Sterling said was the lawyer's response. "And so, once you get past the heart, the facts don't matter as much."
When facts don't matter, that's a scary place to be."
Yes, we're in a scary place.
From the above article:
"Cheney implored people watching at home to "focus on the evidence. Don't be distracted by politics. This is serious. We can't allow America to become a nation of conspiracies and thug violence."
But there's little evidence any of this will change most conservatives' minds. Trump supporters have long been selling themselves a narrative of Trump that they have internalized. That has become nearly impossible to pierce, especially with facts.
Georgia election official Gabriel Sterling got to this point well. He noted that he argued with family members who were believing what Trump was telling them about a stolen election that wasn't.
"The problem you have is you're getting into people's hearts," Sterling said.
He relayed a story about a lawyer he knew sympathetic to Trump. Sterling took him through allegations they investigated and showed him, one by one, that they didn't stand up to scrutiny.
"I just know in my heart that they cheated," Sterling said was the lawyer's response. "And so, once you get past the heart, the facts don't matter as much."
When facts don't matter, that's a scary place to be."
Yes, we're in a scary place.
"I just know in my heart that they cheated," Sterling said was the lawyer's response. "And so, once you get past the heart, the facts don't matter as much."
When facts don't matter, that's a scary place to be."
Yes, we're in a scary place.
That testimony was tough to watch. Pisses me off Americans were put through this crap. This is far worse than Watergate and that is why the DOJ has to get Trump indicted.
Trump and every government official who helped or participated in this coup MUST go to jail for the good of this country now and for its future. If violence erupts as a result of Trump being indicted, it should be met with force and extreme prejudice.
I agree with your take, but I don't agree with how you framed Sterling's response. He wasn't coddling at all. What he was saying is this is what he faced when talking with family members and a fellow attorney. He's simply pointing out the cognitive dissonance of an attorney who admitted the evidence was clear, but his heart/feelings wouldn't be changed. He wasn't excusing it, he was illustrating how effective the Trumpian messaging was because they make sheet up then say well, regardless of the evidence Trump has a right to dispute the election regardless and so they agree with Trump because they can't live with the alternative of believing Democrats because the messaging that Democrats are "evil" started decades ago and a lot of people are still stuck on that.I have to disagree with Sterling here. This isn't about people's "heart" and we shouldn't be coddling people who "sincerely believe in the the election fraud" by claiming that it's because of their heart.
This is about mass delusion and/or people following a megalomaniac to force a specific world view on the rest of society. That is how it should be framed, not the sympathetic "it's about the heart". That's BS and continuing to coddle these people with soft language so that they don't feel so bad and we don't ostracize them is only making things worse. We need to ostracize the fork out of this mindset to eventually get back to where more people on the right are living in reality and listening to facts to form their opinions.
We also need to stop treating right wing "news" as news. It's not news whether it's from Fox, Newsmax, OWN, NY Post or conservative radio, it's all propaganda. Propaganda is destroying our country and it needs to be treated as an enemy.
In the story on CNN itself, they said he was being pushed to run as an independent. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.Top investigator leaving January 6 committee early | CNN Politics
John Wood, a senior investigator for the House select committee investigating the January 6 insurrection, is leaving his position this week, which is earlier than expected, according to a source familiar.www.cnn.com
I agree with your take, but I don't agree with how you framed Sterling's response. He wasn't coddling at all. What he was saying is this is what he faced when talking with family members and a fellow attorney. He's simply pointing out the cognitive dissonance of an attorney who admitted the evidence was clear, but his heart/feelings wouldn't be changed. He wasn't excusing it, he was illustrating how effective the Trumpian messaging was because they make sheet up then say well, regardless of the evidence Trump has a right to dispute the election regardless and so they agree with Trump because they can't live with the alternative of believing Democrats because the messaging that Democrats are "evil" started decades ago and a lot of people are still stuck on that.
It's legitimately hard to talk to a family member who can't see past their hatred for the other party. That's why their hearts are where they are. We should fight that, yes, but easier said than done.
In the story on CNN itself, they said he was being pushed to run as an independent. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Wood also clerked for Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Most recently, Wood was general counsel for US Chamber of Commerce.
How many voting laws have been passed or changed because some people feel there’s massive fraud?
That is fair. I just think the framing of "that's what they truly believe" or "that's what's in their hearts" is really damaging because it almost justifies the resulting actions, even if that is not what is intended. I mean, if someone "truly" believes something, their actions might be wrong, but I can they be "guilty of being wrong". I'm not sure if I'm really making my point clearly but it's almost a tacit acceptance of the persons actions because of how truly they believe them. I hear many in the media apply this framing to both the Republican voters and politicians, and I hear many people apply to family and friends.
Spoiler Alert, we have failed as a nation. because i have no faith that out justice system will touch that..Anything short of above and we have failed as a nation….IMO…..
Yeah. I really have no faith in Garland right now.Spoiler Alert, we have failed as a nation. because i have no faith that out justice system will touch that..
I'm gonna wait until after the committee is finished, and if I don't hear anything from him within a week or two at the most, I'll be right there with you.Yeah. I really have no faith in Garland right now.