Drag Queens in society -what's appropriate and what isn't (1 Viewer)

[VoxPopuli]

There has been an interest in discussing the role of drag queens in the public arena, and what is appropriate with children. This specifically was an area of concern:



So, are there dangers present in transgenders reading stories to children. If so, what are they? What is government's role in this? Is it a local or federal issue?

 

[Joe Okc]

That theory holds no water. All of my children have grown up surrounded by Alabama football: I talk about it, I watch it, I have decor. None of them give a crap about Alabama football.

So you are comparing Alabama Football to Drag shows?

 

[BobE]

It's only for the children Bob, sorry...

It's OK. I identify as 10 and act like I'm 7 so I'm goo.

 

[Dragon]

Well, here in the USA it seems we take our ko-3rd graders to the public library to see a man dressed as a woman so they will be really confused... Does your country support taking toddlers to see drag queens? Where do you stand on the subject?

I already answered that previous in this thread. One of our most popular children show host is a man dressed as a woman. The kids don't see the man - they see the character he plays - the same way they see the "rabit" and the "bear"

 

[samiam5211]

So you are comparing Alabama Football to Drag shows?

If 50 years from now 1/3 of the population were LGBTQ, would you consider that to be a bad thing?

I don’t accept your premise that kids are being indoctrinated, but even if you’re right, I don’t understand why you think it is bad.

The reality is that we were all indoctrinated as kids. We learned a language, that we should wear clothes, and that drugs were bad. All of that is a result of indoctrination. I suppose most of us were indoctrinated to be straight too.

It’s not indoctrination that you have a problem with, it is specifically LGBTQ issues you seem to have a problem with.

 

[Joe Okc]

I already answered that previous in this thread. One of our most popular children show host is a man dressed as a woman. The kids don't see the man - they see the character he plays - the same way they see the "rabit" and the "bear"

Does this man in the dress discuss drag queen cultures, identifying, preferred pronouns, what LGBTQ stands for? Or does he discuss the Abc's and mathmatics. That is the difference. Not the fact he playing a fictional character for the show... but you already know that don't you?

 

[CoolBrees]

There is really one basic fact that has to be accepted before any meaningful conversation can take place. And that is the fact that sexual orientation (ie being gay) is NOT a choice. You are born whatever way you are. You can consciously suppress who you are but it doesn’t change who you are.
Next, regarding stripper reading hour.
I would take my child to a stripper reading too. Why not? If they were reading something appropriate in an appropriate setting, and wearing more that a thong, again why not? My daughter isnt suddenly going to want to be a stripper.

But the bigger point is strippers are people with worth too. The more we see each other as humans and not our religions, or sexual orientations, the more tolerance will spread. Personally, I would use a stripper reading as a teaching moment for my kids about the dangers objectification of people and how marginalized people can be trapped in a world where they have no choices for themselves or their bodies.

To me, telling a kid that they need to stay away from someone because of something kids don’t understand in the first place only causes fear and confusion.

 

[Joe Okc]

It’s not indoctrination that you have a problem with, it is specifically LGBTQ issues you seem to have a problem with.

What an unfair statement and poster smear tactic. As I have clearly stated if female strippers read book to children in the library to tell kids they should be tolerant of strippers that would be unacceptable as well.

People need to keep their personal sexual preferences private and not try to share it with children under the guise of tolerence.

 

[samiam5211]

There is really one basic fact that has to be accepted before any meaningful conversation can take place. And that is the fact that sexual orientation (ie being gay) is NOT a choice. You are born whatever way you are. You can consciously suppress who you are but it doesn’t change who you are.

I don’t believe it is a choice, but I don’t think that should even matter.

We should not judge people for the gender they feel or are attracted to.

When we act like whether or not it is a choice is an important distinction it is almost like saying, “it’s ok because they can’t help it.”

The correct answer is “it’s ok”. A person should feel free to choose to be gay even if others don’t feel it was a choice for them.

 

[samiam5211]

What an unfair statement and poster smear tactic. As I have clearly stated if female strippers read book to children in the library to tell kids they should be tolerant of strippers that would be unacceptable as well.

People need to keep their personal sexual preferences private and not try to share it with children under the guise of tolerence.

People should not have to hide their sexual preference.

Exposing children to the idea that sometimes boys like boys the way other boys like girls will improve the mental health of some of them when they get to the age to realize what that means, and prevent some of them from dying.

The younger kids can understand this concept the better.

You’re afraid it might turn some of them gay, but I don’t have a problem with that. Clearly you do.

 

[Dragon]

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Does this man in the dress discuss drag queen cultures, identifying, preferred pronouns, what LGBTQ stands for? Or does he discuss the Abc's and mathmatics. That is the difference. Not the fact he playing a fictional character for the show... but you already know that don't you?
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This is the question I answered

Well, here in the USA it seems we take our ko-3rd graders to the public library to see a man dressed as a woman so they will be really confused... Does your country support taking toddlers to see drag queens? Where do you stand on the subject?

You did not ask about "discuss drag queen cultures, identifying, preferred pronouns, what LGBTQ stands for?"

You specifically said "take ko-3rd graders to the public library to see a man dressed as a woman so they will be really confused"

Your problem was with at man dressed like a woman in a public setting - not advocating for a certain way of life...

But answer your second question - I would have absolutely no problem having a man in a womans clothes tell kids about the fact that sometimes a man loves a man and not a woman.

LG couples have children here - and both parents are recognized as legal parent to the child. My granddaughter attend a daycare with 2 kids (siblings) who have 2 fathers and no mother and all the kids in the daycare and their parents accept that as natural. Kids by nature has no prejudice - courious yes but once they have gotten an explanation they really dont care anymore

 

[Optimus Prime]

How are drag queens thought of in the transgender community?

I don’t know much about it but my understanding is that they are males who live their lives as males (they may or may not be gay) who dress up as a woman, play a character then goes back to being a guy the next day

I can see how someone who is or was struggling with gender identity and how to express it might not find drag acceptable

Or is drag embraced in the community?

 

[Joe Okc]

Your problem was with at man dressed like a woman in a public setting - not advocating for a certain way of life...

For crying out loud, this entire thread has been about using children's tv shows, books, stories and other things to glamorize this certain way of life as fun and entertaining to the children.

I support my gay friends, but they arnt hosting kids parties promoting their lifestyle either.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

So you are comparing Alabama Football to Drag shows?

Not at all. I am making the point that exposure to something does not mean that it will be something accepted by those that were exposed to it.

 

[Dragon]

For crying out loud, this entire thread has been about using children's tv shows, books, stories and other things to glamorize this certain way of life as fun and entertaining to the children.

I support my gay friends, but they arnt hosting kids parties promoting their lifestyle either.

Would you consider it "promoting" when my 3 yo. granddaughter attends a birthday party for the twins from her daycare?

 

[coldseat]

How are drag queens thought of in the transgender community?

I don’t know much about it but my understanding is that they are males who live their lives as males (they may or may not be gay) who dress up as a woman, play a character then goes back to being a guy the next day

I can see how someone who is or was struggling with gender identity and how to express it might not find drag acceptable

Or is drag embraced in the community?

Some drag queens are transgender, but not all or even most. Most drag queens are gay males that dress and present as women, and have a separate persona. But it's typically for a ball, gig or show.

Most transgender are just that. I can't really speak to much on how drag queens are received in the transgender community, but I've never gotten the impression that they're disliked or anything. I think the biggest annoyance would come from people mixing terms and not understanding the difference.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

So, there is something that I don't understand Joe. You say you have no problem with drag queens or gay people, but then you say that you're worried if they are exposed to drag queens and gay people, then they'll turn out to be a drag queen and/or gay. If you don't have a problem with drag queens or gay people, then why is it a problem if a kid turns out to be gay or a drag queen?

It really seems to me your issue should be with sexualization of kids.

The problem is you seem to be taking this as forced indoctrination, when others here view this as teaching kids that they are ok if they're different.

Put it this way, if there is a boy who wants to wear a dress, should you let him, or should you force him not to? Are you ok with letting boys who want to wear dresses on their own, know that they are not alone and they shouldn't feel terrible about it?

 

[V Chip]

So you are comparing Alabama Football to Drag shows?

Whoa that's a bridge too far.

Alabama football is far worse than drag shows.

 

[DR Hook]

There has been an interest in discussing the role of transgenders in the public arena, and what is appropriate with children. This specifically was an area of concern:



So, are there dangers present in transgenders reading stories to children. If so, what are they? What is government's role in this? Is it a local or federal issue?