Drag Queens in society -what's appropriate and what isn't (3 Viewers)

[VoxPopuli]

There has been an interest in discussing the role of drag queens in the public arena, and what is appropriate with children. This specifically was an area of concern:



So, are there dangers present in transgenders reading stories to children. If so, what are they? What is government's role in this? Is it a local or federal issue?

 

[samiam5211]

You guys realize that you are comparing taking your kids to go see Drag Queens and promotion of gay lifestyles to eating liver and Alabama football don't you?

I don't get why you have a problem with the promotion of gay lifestyle.

 

[V Chip]

I don't get why you have a problem with the promotion of gay lifestyle.

Hell, what is a "gay lifestyle" anyway?


lifestyle
noun

life·style | \ ˈlīf-ˈstī(-ə)l , -ˌstī(-ə)l \
Definition of lifestyle
(Entry 1 of 2)
: the typical way of life of an individual, group, or culture

What the heck is a typical way of life for gay people? They share one and only one common trait: attraction for their own gender.

 

[Incumbent]

If somebody is worried about the sexualization of children, and their exposure to adult-oriented entertainment, kids at 18+ drag shows in nightclubs seems like a really minuscule part of that larger problem. How often is that even happening? (And I agree, that shouldn't be happening).

Wanting to shield kids from the realities of diversity is something else, entirely.

 

[dtc]

You guys realize that you are comparing taking your kids to go see Drag Queens and promotion of gay lifestyles to eating liver and Alabama football don't you?


@dtc I gotta comment on this line sir.
I have no problem going to strip clubs, but they're inappropriate for my kid.

That is the whole point my friend. Your an adult and you can do what you want to do, The kid has not grown up yet and has yet to make up their own mind or start deciding for themselves... Especially toddlers which this is directed to.

But I do have to ask.. If you did have toddlers, say 4 year olds... And people were taking their 4 year old to go and see strippers... Would you still support the parents right to do so?

Do you think kids need to watch a teddy bear on a show called queer kid stuff?

Google has refused to sell advertising to queer kids stuff tv. QKS is filing a lawsuit against them. Does google have the right to refuse service?

edit - Btw... You are telling us its inappropriate to listen to drag queens because they might influence impressionable children right on the same page where you're telling us to listen to drag queens because they're drag queens.

In this scenerio the Drag Queen is talking to the adults in the room responsible for making choices for the child... Not the children themselves.

No, in this case the drag queen is saying what you want to hear. She is agreeing with you so you will believe her and point to her as being worthy of listening to. It's grossly hypocritical of you to say that at the same time you argue that drag queens ought to legally be banned from interacting with the children of others.

Remember all those times I said you and modern Republicans are not conservative?

Remember how I always have said I am and I make the conservative choice?

I doubt it, but it's true.

As a conservative, the correct choice is to keep your nose out of the business of others and leave it to me to choose what I believe or teach my kid or what I expose her to.

As a meddling, holier than thou Republican, you argue that you don't like it so it ought to be illegal, but historically everything from smoking, drinking ages, seatbelts and others have been argued by real conservatives as an invasion into the personal rights and privacy of others.

Same as abortion. It's none of my business and none of yours.

 

[Joe Okc]

Maybe lifestyle was the wrong word... Twist it around boys...

My point is that the video makes Drag queens and being Gay look fun and exciting to the kids.

No, in this case the drag queen is saying what you want to hear. She is agreeing with you so you will believe her and point to her as being worthy of listening to. It's grossly hypocritical of you to say that at the same time you argue that drag queens ought to legally be banned from interacting with the children of others.

Remember all those times I said you and modern Republicans are not conservative?

Remember how I always have said I am and I make the conservative choice?

I doubt it, but it's true.

As a conservative, the correct choice is to keep your nose out of the business of others and leave it to me to choose what I believe or teach my kid or what I expose her to.

As a meddling, holier than thou Republican, you argue that you don't like it so it ought to be illegal, but historically everything from smoking, drinking ages, seatbelts and others have been argued by real conservatives as an invasion into the personal rights and privacy of others.

Same as abortion. It's none of my business and none of yours.

Cut to the chase dtc.. stop beating around the bush and just say it.

Do you think that queen kid stuff TV, taking toddlers to see drag queens and letting youngs boys dance in drag in clubs acceptable or not.

Stop hiding behind the parents have rights crap.

 

[Farb]

If someone cannot tell the difference or sees no difference between a drag show and a performance of Hamlet while the actors are playing the females roles then there is nothing anyone can say to have a meaningful conversation about this. I also think the Child Beauty pageants are bad idea. Any time a child is dressed up to appear sexually mature it is disgusting in my opinion.

 

[V Chip]

Maybe lifestyle was the wrong word... Twist it around boys...

I'm not twisting anything, just trying to point out that people very easily ascribe a "lifestyle" to people they disagree with. I'm not saying you do it for this reason, but it is frequently done to diminish the entirety of a group and people don't think about the words and why they are used that way. It's like saying something is "gay" meaning stupid or silly or bad -- they usually don't think about why they use that word, just that they have frequently heard it used that way and use it themselves.

My point is that the video makes Drag queens and being Gay look fun and exciting to the kids.

It could be. I personally think anyone should feel happy and comfortable in their own skin as long as they are not harming others. I don't see how dressing in drag or being gay harms others.

Do you think that queen kid stuff TV, taking toddlers to see drag queens and letting youngs boys dance in drag in clubs acceptable or not.

If it is a bar/nightclub that usually has an age restriction, then no I don't think it's good. I would feel the same towards any child in any such bar/club.

And personally, depending if a parent is pushing something on a kid or it becomes an issue, I don't like things like toddler/child beauty pageants like there are featured in some reality shows. Doesn't matter to me if those are in drag or not, I tend to find them distasteful. However, I'm not going to push for a law to prevent them or restrict those -- I'll just choose something else for my family's entertainment.

But drag queen story time at a library? Absolutely nothing wrong with that at all.

 

[V Chip]

I also think the Child Beauty pageants are bad idea. Any time a child is dressed up to appear sexually mature it is wrong in my opinion.

Where's the "half like" button? I agree with the slightly modified quoted part above.

 

[Joe Okc]

Just want to show what Wikipedia says about Desmond is amazing.

Desmond "Desi" Napoles (born June 2007) is a child drag performer, fashion model, actor, and LGBT activist, known by the stage name Desmond Is Amazing.[2][3][4][5]

When he was two, he was inspired by and began imitating the drag queens on RuPaul's Drag Race by fashioning household items into dresses and wigs.[6

Thanks Mom. Inspired by and began imitating.. I guess Mom knew he'd be gay at 2. She was the one that turned him on to Drag TV shows.

 

[V Chip]

Just want to show what Wikipedia says about Desmond is amazing.

Desmond "Desi" Napoles (born June 2007) is a child drag performer, fashion model, actor, and LGBT activist, known by the stage name Desmond Is Amazing.[2][3][4][5]

When he was two, he was inspired by and began imitating the drag queens on RuPaul's Drag Race by fashioning household items into dresses and wigs.[6

Thanks Mom.

Why the "thanks, mom?"

What do you find wrong about a child dressing in drag that you don't find wrong about, say, Honey BooBoo, or Toddlers in Tiaras? You seem to be placing much more of a bad connotation to child drag than child pageant or child "promotion based on parent encouragement" --maybe that's not true, but you're bringing up and discussing the "drag" portion and not saying much about anything else leads me (and I think others) to believe this.

 

[Incumbent]

Maybe lifestyle was the wrong word... Twist it around boys...

My point is that the video makes Drag queens and being Gay look fun and exciting to the kids.




Cut to the chase dtc.. stop beating around the bush and just say it.

Do you think that queen kid stuff TV, taking toddlers to see drag queens and letting youngs boys dance in drag in clubs acceptable or not.

Stop hiding behind the parents have rights crap.

I disagree with you on this issue but I'm not going to single you out for opposing messages you find objectionable because I think we all do this. I am, for example, opposed to "Jesus camp" type messaging aimed at young people, as I believe it brainwashes impressionable minds into a belief system that I think is often unhealthy and unrealistic.

But I do think there should be an allowance to discuss differences of opinion, and so, at least from the video you shared, I think you are misinterpreting the intent, or at least what you might think are the greater consequences of the intent of that message. I think the goal is to make kids who are struggling with their identity know they aren't alone and don't have to be ashamed of themselves. Self harm and suicide among youth are far more troubling to me than extremely rare occurrences of a child, male or female, at a nightclub catering to any genre of adult entertainment. I'm not saying that to be inflammatory, but because I think a line actually does exist here between acknowledging the existence of differences, and wishing to hide those differences away. I don't think it's appropriate for a prepubescent child to dance in a nightclub, but I also think it's far more damaging to not inform children about diversity, about feelings they are experiencing, and to inadequately educate them about their bodies, sex, and sexuality.

While the shock headlines drive emotional responses, a far bleaker and much more common reality is that an overwhelming majority of kids are a network connection away from seeing things they aren't ready to see, and are trying to process feelings and desires they aren't adequately prepared to confront. I think it's a lot more beneficial to invest time and resources in thorough, meaningful education, and make real strides towards tolerance and patience with one another and our differences.

 

[coldseat]

Just want to show what Wikipedia says about Desmond is amazing.

Desmond "Desi" Napoles (born June 2007) is a child drag performer, fashion model, actor, and LGBT activist, known by the stage name Desmond Is Amazing.[2][3][4][5]

When he was two, he was inspired by and began imitating the drag queens on RuPaul's Drag Race by fashioning household items into dresses and wigs.[6

Thanks Mom. Inspired by and began imitating.. I guess Mom knew he'd be gay at 2. She was the one that turned him on to Drag TV shows.

He clearly has an orientation and gender identity, even at his young age of 2), that identified and appealed with what he saw on RuPaul's Drag Race. So he copied it. Some kids come out of the womb like that (i.e. they know from an extremely young age), for some it takes a lot longer. Just watching RuPaul's Drag Race did not turn him into a drag performer. Do you have any idea of how many kids, teens, and adults that have watched RPDR and haven't changed into a Drag Queen or gay? Literally millions.

It's just silly on its face to think that. As a parent, you expose you children to many different things like sports, activity, religion, traveling, schooling, etc., to see if it appeals to them and they have an aptitude for it. Some of those things (many, actually) usually happens in ways you don't anticipate or expect.

As an example, I like to listen to NPR on my morning and evening drive from work. As my son lives with me every other week in a split custody agreement I have with his mother, I take him to school every morning and pick him up every evening. So he listens to NPR with me, he has for many years now. Until last year, I never had any idea how much he enjoys and has learned for listening with me. I assumed he would usually tune out and go into his own world during our drive time unless we were talking about something. To my surprise, he was actually listening and digesting a lot of what he was hearing. It's something that's motivated him to get more involved in issues we're all facing, especially climate change, which he cares a great deal about. In school, he's now taking a Model UN course and participated in a conference because he's interested in a career as a environmental scientist or activist. He's learned about out government and issues like the immigration that he has strong opinions on. Things that I'm surprised he cares so much about at his age (as I was nothing like that at his age). All of this just because I like to casually listen to NPR on the drive to and from work.

At the same time, I actively tried to get my son interested in Marvel movies. When he was young, I'd take him to movies and always had it on at home. We even had a birthday party with a Marvel theme when he was 5. Like 4 years ago, he told me it didn't really appeal to him. I put a lot of effort into that, a lot more than I put into making him listen to NPR, and nothing. Now I go to Marvel movies alone or with friends, lol. It didn't matter how much I tried to indoctrinate him.

In much the same way, this is very likely what happened with Desmond. His mom likes to watch RuPaul's Drag Race and her son found something he strongly identified with.

PS, Thankfully, I was able to indoctrinate him into being a Saints and LSU fan.

 

[dtc]

Maybe lifestyle was the wrong word... Twist it around boys...

My point is that the video makes Drag queens and being Gay look fun and exciting to the kids.




Cut to the chase dtc.. stop beating around the bush and just say it.

Do you think that queen kid stuff TV, taking toddlers to see drag queens and letting youngs boys dance in drag in clubs acceptable or not.

Stop hiding behind the parents have rights crap.

Drag queens and being gay may look exciting, but it's never going to make me wear a dress or start wanting to fellate my friends.

And, yes. Totally acceptable if the parents feel the need.

 

[insidejob]

Drag queens and being gay may look exciting, but it's never going to make me wear a dress or start wanting to fellate my friends.

And, yes. Totally acceptable if the parents feel the need.

This is only so funny because it's so true.

 

[Beach Friends]

Drag queens and being gay may look exciting, but it's never going to make me wear a dress or start wanting to fellate my friends.

And, yes. Totally acceptable if the parents feel the need.

My guess is that if you went to see an Avengers movie you would not go home and want to dress up as one of the characters either. But, you know kids do.

 

[coldseat]

My guess is that if you went to see an Avengers movie you would not go home and want to dress up as one of the characters either. But, you know some kids do.

Fixed it.

Other kids don't give a crap or wouldn't want to dress up as a Marvel character just because they saw a Marvel movie.

 

[Beach Friends]

Fixed it.

Other kids don't give a crap or wouldn't want to dress up as a Marvel character just because they saw a Marvel movie.

Do you think kids and adults go home and pretend to be those characters with equal frequency?

 

[Farb]

Is Drag a sexual activity?

I say it is at its core. Most gay men and women that I have talked to agree. They find it a little crazy that in today's progressive environment it is trying to be 'repackaged' as an asexual expression.