Drag Queens in society -what's appropriate and what isn't (1 Viewer)

[VoxPopuli]

There has been an interest in discussing the role of drag queens in the public arena, and what is appropriate with children. This specifically was an area of concern:



So, are there dangers present in transgenders reading stories to children. If so, what are they? What is government's role in this? Is it a local or federal issue?

 

[samiam5211]

Maybe when kids see the attention and adoration these people are receiving they may decide it's a good way to get a little of that themselves, especially when they hear their father rave about how amazing it is to hear Green Eggs and Ham when it is read by a man dressed by a woman.

Gender dysphoria is a serious issue. It's probably not a good idea to encourage young people, who don't suffer from the issue, but do crave attention, to see this as a means for obtaining affirmation.

And then, there are issues of exposing children to issues of sexuality by people who may very well be drawn to speaking to kids, or rolling around on the floor half naked with kids, for other than purely educational reasons.

I don't hate transgender people or drag queens. But, I think as a society we know a lot less about these issues than we pretend to know and that children's hour at the library is not the best choice of venues to "see where this goes."

Maybe...

Probally...

So it is just a perceived harm to children. No real examples of widespread harm to children since we became more inclusive of the LGBTQ community.

Someone rolling around on the floor naked with children isn't any more an issue for the LGBTQ community than it is for the straight community.

It is homophobic, transphobic, or whatever to assume these groups are more likely to become sexual predators craving children than "normal" people.

 

[CoolBrees]

To be perfectly honest, you can share with your wife that Beach Friends thinks that it is incredibly silly to open meetings sharing preferred pronouns. When people want to show an example of wokeness ruining everything, they point (and frequently laugh) at Portland. It's one of those progressive jewels where you can find college kids screaming at homeless people to check their "privilege."

Truly insane.

But, she may disagree.

I will ask her when she gets home.

Since I was directly addressed I will be happy to answer anything.

I would love to know the last time your were here for a visit, since you know so much about it. Proud boys talk about it in chats?

 

[Farb]

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/1...-popular-nyc-gay-club-as-patrons-toss-money-a
As far as 'story hour' or whatever, I don't care. I would never take my child or any child to a library story hour put on by a drag queen, but to each their own. I think personally it is a bad parenting move but I am sure I fork my kid up in someway every day that others will not approve of, I just try and avoid it as best I can as a parent.

I also have been and will be going to quite a few drag shows in my life. I have a family member that is a pretty popular/famous drag queen performer in the quarter. It does not bother me in the slightest to be around drag queens, trans people, gay people. I know and love a lot of gay folks.

But a 11 year old dancing in a gay bar...how is that even legal? But the Mom says it is homophobia to even question her parenting skills. I am sure she is not making a dime on her kid or getting the attention that they all so desperately want.
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/01/06/desmond-is-amazing-drag-kid-gay-bar/

https://www.seattletimes.com/educat...c-schools-what-does-that-mean-and-other-faqs/
In an online survey that drew more than 10,000 responses — a majority of which came from parents — the state superintendent’s office found 58% of respondents believe comprehensive sexual health education should not be required across grades K-12. The other 42% said it should be.

So it appears in Washington state that the state knows better than the parents and will teach kindergarten to 3rd grade sex ed too. I am sure it will be with puppets and construction paper but it is too young in my opinion, but as Washington state just taught us all, the state knows better on how to raise your kids than you do.

 

[CoolBrees]

Good post farb-

I don’t approve of 11 year olds dancing in that manner no how.

I wouldn’t approve of my 10 year old daughter performing at a straight bar, and if a guy cat called her I would be going to jail in about an hour.

I think we can agree that it is the act and the setting that is inappropriate an not dancing a drag, correct?

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

To be perfectly honest, you can share with your wife that Beach Friends thinks that it is incredibly silly to open meetings sharing preferred pronouns. When people want to show an example of wokeness ruining everything, they point (and frequently laugh) at Portland. It's one of those progressive jewels where you can find college kids screaming at homeless people to check their "privilege."

Truly insane.

But, she may disagree.

As with most things the Progressive idea usually wins out- it’s just a matter of time
In time this will seem as silly as letting black people drink at water fountains or Jews play golf on particular courses

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

Maybe when kids see the attention and adoration these people are receiving they may decide it's a good way to get a little of that themselves, especially when they hear their father rave about how amazing it is to hear Green Eggs and Ham when it is read by a man dressed by a woman.

Gender dysphoria is a serious issue. It's probably not a good idea to encourage young people, who don't suffer from the issue, but do crave attention, to see this as a means for obtaining affirmation.

And then, there are issues of exposing children to issues of sexuality by people who may very well be drawn to speaking to kids, or rolling around on the floor half naked with kids, for other than purely educational reasons.

I don't hate transgender people or drag queens. But, I think as a society we know a lot less about these issues than we pretend to know and that children's hour at the library is not the best choice of venues to "see where this goes."

“Maybe”

But probably not

 

[Farb]

Good post farb-

I don’t approve of 11 year olds dancing in that manner no how.

I wouldn’t approve of my 10 year old daughter performing at a straight bar, and if a guy cat called her I would be going to jail in about an hour.

I think we can agree that it is the act and the setting that is inappropriate an not dancing a drag, correct?

I agree to a point. I think 11 years old is a little early to celebrated and held up as an Icon of a movement as sexually loaded as drag, to say that drag is not based on sexuality is just being dishonest. Most if not all of the gay men and women I speak with completely agree as well.



If any group that feels marginalized wants to work for better representation, or become more mainstream, that is great. Most will support that. It is when they start using children to push their beliefs and agenda that really turn most 'normal' people off.

 

[Beach Friends]

I will ask her when she gets home.

Since I was directly addressed I will be happy to answer anything.

I would love to know the last time your were here for a visit, since you know so much about it. Proud boys talk about it in chats?

It's been a while, but I take your word for it when you say it has gotten so bad that people actually announce their preferred pronouns at the beginning of meetings. I also take my brother's word, who moved from there I guess 18 months ago when he says his last stop on his way out was at a hardware store, where a man was taking a dump in the middle of the store. He was glad to leave the dystopia.

As to your last point, I am not aware of any such chat rooms. Have you got a link?

 

[CoolBrees]

I have lived in 18 states and been to 49 of them. I picked Portland out of anywhere in the world (Vancouver BC is looking mighty good though)

Portland has a homeless problem it is true. Much like every other liberal western city, the high cost of living, mild weather and a citizenry that doesn’t treat them like criminals creates a desirable place. I would rather have homeless than racists so it works out for me.

Regarding pronouns, I guess I don’t see the harm in taking twenty seconds to make everyone comfortable. But I was taught courtesy.

 

[CoolBrees]

Farb-

I guess I look at that 11 year old as a performer wearing a costume. If that 11 year old was wearing a dress in a school play version of Tootsie would it be wrong? Or Peter Pan who was played by a girl?

Since you have been to shows I am sure you can agree that thrre are different types of drag shows. Ones that are performing in drag and some that are much more risqué. The same goes for dancing in general. My 10 year old performs solo dance competitively. Hip Hop. Some of the moves the other kids make are waaaay too suggestive In my opinion. But again, it isn’t hip hop that is the problem imo. It the the specific act or venue and causes problems.

 

[samiam5211]

I agree to a point. I think 11 years old is a little early to celebrated and held up as an Icon of a movement as sexually loaded as drag, to say that drag is not based on sexuality is just being dishonest. Most if not all of the gay men and women I speak with completely agree as well.

The suicide rate among teens who are LGBTQ has historically been significantly higher than the general population.

I think the value added by allowing young people to feel comfortable about how they feel is more important than any potential risk that we are driving our kids towards being L,G,B,T or Q.

Whether intentional or not, the outcome of keeping children from being exposed to the LGBTQ community will result in more young people killing themselves. Sorry if some people think it is wrong to say it is OK to be homosexual or transgender.

 

[CoolBrees]

Great point samiam-

these kids aren’t dying for spotlight attention. Most are just trying to find peace in the fact that they are “different” and not “normal” from what the perception of what society wants from them.

When gay or trans kids see others like themselves living life as they feel, it helps them go through and extremely difficult time. Without family or community accepting and supporting them, it becomes exponentially worse.

 

[Joe Okc]

And I was just thinking how unbelievable the irony dripping would be of someone that worked in a sex industry, a strip club perhaps, making judgements on others parenting skills when it comes to sexual exposure to kids. Sorry I have crazy thoughts sometimes.

As someone who works in a sex oriented environment. (Strip club)... I will be the first one to tell you that "Stripper Story Hour" would be a bad idea... Kids need to be kids and don't need to be introduced to that.

Sure we could have a stripper tell the kids how she had to strip to pay the bills and get through Med School, but that is inappropriate and I will be the first to admit it.

As to Desmond is amazing. His mother introduced him to drag tv shows when he was two... two...
She took him to meet drag stars and took him to gay parades... And guess what... he's dressing in Drag professionaly starting at 9... He announced he is gay by age 11.
Did this kid have any other chance in life?
Thanks to his mother, drag queens and being gay is all he ever knew.

 

[Dragon]

So it appears in Washington state that the state knows better than the parents and will teach kindergarten to 3rd grade sex ed too. I am sure it will be with puppets and construction paper but it is too young in my opinion, but as Washington state just taught us all, the state knows better on how to raise your kids than you do.

By teaching age appropriate sex ed you actually de-mystify a lot of stuff and makes the education more factual and "normal" for the kids.

US has one of the highest number of teen pregnancies among industrial nation mainly because young people don't get the information they need to make good and safe choices.

Yes - we have sex ed here too in K0- 3rd grade but it is age appropriate (what does a boy/girl look like) and how to handle inappropriate contact (tell adults/say no/leave the situation) in a language appropiate for that age group

Around 5-6 grade biology the reproductive process is discussed, including prevention. Also transgender since many will alredy know at least one who identify as such.

High school will cover more indept issues like prevention and safety. (pregnancy/how not to get ill) - Our legal age however is lower than the US.

Underage here i 14 and under, unless there is an authority figure involved (teacher/caretaker etc..) then the legal age is 18

Despite all this we have far less teen pregnancies than the US.

 

[Joe Okc]

Yes - we have sex ed here too in K0- 3rd grade but it is age appropriate (what does a boy/girl look like) and how to handle inappropriate contact (tell adults/say no/leave the situation) in a language appropiate for that age group

Well, here in the USA it seems we take our ko-3rd graders to the public library to see a man dressed as a woman so they will be really confused... Does your country support taking toddlers to see drag queens? Where do you stand on the subject?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

As someone who works in a sex oriented environment. (Strip club)... I will be the first one to tell you that "Stripper Story Hour" would be a bad idea... Kids need to be kids and don't need to be introduced to that.

Sure we could have a stripper tell the kids how she had to strip to pay the bills and get through Med School, but that is inappropriate and I will be the first to admit it.

As to Desmond is amazing. His mother introduced him to drag tv shows when he was two... two...
She took him to meet drag stars and took him to gay parades... And guess what... he's dressing in Drag professionaly starting at 9... He announced he is gay by age 11.
Did this kid have any other chance in life?
Thanks to his mother, drag queens and being gay is all he ever knew.

That theory holds no water. All of my children have grown up surrounded by Alabama football: I talk about it, I watch it, I have decor. None of them give a crap about Alabama football.

 

[BobE]

As someone who works in a sex oriented environment. (Strip club)... I will be the first one to tell you that "Stripper Story Hour" would be a bad idea

If you start this can you DM me 1st?

 

[Joe Okc]

If you start this can you DM me 1st?

It's only for the children Bob, sorry...