Will “mass deportation” actually happen (4 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[Dragon]

So you have no actual proof. Some inference but no actual proof. Odd how that works.

Do you think it is fair that people in a white middleclass neighborhood have 3 x as many polling places as people who live in a poor neighborhood with 3 x as many voters ?
Why should poor people stand in line for 6 hours to vote while middle class and above can vote in 15 minutes IN THE SAME CITY

That is factual numbers - Not inference

 

[Dragon]

Non- citizents with a legal work visa IS allowed to vote in LOCAL elections in Denmark.

They pay taxes so they definitely also have a right to influence how the money is spend

 

[Lapaz]

I do. Do you think illegals should be able to vote in local elections?

That's a dumb question, but if you know the difference between municipal and Federal elections, and you have been droning on about a claimed thousands of illegal votes, why did you provide an article about municipal elections? It is okay to say you were wrong, and misunderstood. It is okay to admit that Trump is a liar.

 

[RobF]

Do you think it is fair that people in a white middleclass neighborhood have 3 x as many polling places as people who live in a poor neighborhood with 3 x as many voters ?
Why should poor people stand in line for 6 hours to vote while middle class and above can vote in 15 minutes IN THE SAME CITY

That is factual numbers - Not inference

I think we should ask what standard of proof it is these guys are actually asking for here.

Because the level of evidence we have clearly shows disenfranchisement on a significant scale is inherent in the measures and provisions in place and the inevitable effects thereof. In a, "if it's raining, people get wet," way. But it really seems like they're going for, "We want an impossible level of proof so we can carry on denying it through sheer wishful thinking and convince ourselves, if no-one else, that particular groups were leading purging of voter rolls, etc., for kicks and giggles".

 

[Lapaz]

So you have no actual proof. Some inference but no actual proof. Odd how that works.

Did you read the article? There are dozens of links that provide evidence of common sense disenfranchisement, but you have to apply a little critical thinking. I've done enough of your homework.

 

[TampaJoe]

Do you think it is fair that people in a white middleclass neighborhood have 3 x as many polling places as people who live in a poor neighborhood with 3 x as many voters ?
Why should poor people stand in line for 6 hours to vote while middle class and above can vote in 15 minutes IN THE SAME CITY

That is factual numbers - Not inference

That was not the question. Do you have actual proof that the maintenance of the voter rolls disenfranchised any voters?

 

[horse2H5]

Did you read the article? There are dozens of links that provide evidence of common sense disenfranchisement, but you have to apply a little critical thinking. I've done enough of your homework.

So common sense is proof when its good for your side. Got it.

Does everyone have the same common sense? What I mean by that is simple. Does one's background and environment shape their common sense?

 

[TampaJoe]

Did you read the article? There are dozens of links that provide evidence of common sense disenfranchisement, but you have to apply a little critical thinking. I've done enough of your homework.

Ahhh. Common sense disenfranchise ment. No actual proof. Just “common sense”. Like that is some kind of well defined standard.

It isn’t.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Ahhh. Common sense disenfranchise ment. No actual proof. Just “common sense”. Like that is some kind of well defined standard.

It isn’t.

Just out of curiosity what exactly would constitute "proof" in your mind?

What would you have to see for you to admit that this is indeed happening?

 

[Dragon]

That was not the question. Do you have actual proof that the maintenance of the voter rolls disenfranchised any voters?

Yes

Texas purge that mainly effected Naturalized CITIZENTS

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases...-texas-voter-purge-and-protect-voting-rights?

 

[TampaJoe]

Yes

Texas purge that mainly effected Naturalized CITIZENTS

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases...-texas-voter-purge-and-protect-voting-rights?

Are there any actual cases where a citizen attempted to vote but was denied the right to vote?

 

[horse2H5]

Are there any actual cases where a citizen attempted to vote but was denied the right to vote?

I would imagine there are a few. In a local election about 10 years ago, they changed my polling place and I didn't realize it. I am sure they sent something, but I didn't get it. When I showed up, they said I was not on the books and had to go to the other polling station. I left and did not go searching. However, there is no disenfranchisement happening with voter suppression at the polls.

 

[MT15]

I am quoting my own post. I did not say federal elections. I posted an article that showed its happening on a federal and a state level. My initial statement was "any number of illegal voters is unacceptable, correct? The reason for this was "all the people disenfranchised" jargon.

Absolutely no, you did not do that. You posted an article that was reporting completely unsubstantiated claims from various GOP politicians. For example - the GOP politician from Ohio who claimed that 168 undocumented people voted in their federal election also said that they always prosecute these people and that’s how they keep it a rarity. But the article pointed out there have been zero prosecutions of undocumented people for voting in OH. So he is clearly just making stuff up.

Quit saying something different than what your sources actually say. You are not entitled to your own reality.

 

[MT15]

Ahhh. Common sense disenfranchise ment. No actual proof. Just “common sense”. Like that is some kind of well defined standard.

It isn’t.

Well, let’s see some actual proof of significant voter fraud from your side. The constant yammering about it with zero proof is completely ridiculous.

And what I will say is that when the GOP admits (and various GOP officers have from time to time) that their purpose is to limit the number of voters, then it’s not a huge leap to look at actions taken and infer what the consequences are.

 

[MT15]

Are there any actual cases where a citizen attempted to vote but was denied the right to vote?

That isn’t how the GOP does voter suppression, but I imagine you know that already.

 

[TampaJoe]

Yes

Texas purge that mainly effected Naturalized CITIZENTS

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases...-texas-voter-purge-and-protect-voting-rights?

Are there any actual cases where someone attempted to vote but was denied?

Well, let’s see some actual proof of significant voter fraud from your side. The constant yammering about it with zero proof is completely ridiculous.

And what I will say is that when the GOP admits (and various GOP officers have from time to time) that their purpose is to limit the number of voters, then it’s not a huge leap to look at actions taken and infer what the consequences are.

you have me confused with someone else. I haven’t been yammering about voter fraud.

The only point that I have made is that we shouldn’t be relaxing controls around voting. Things like voter id are good preventative control measures. I haven’t not said there was widespread voter fraud. Others have claimed there is voter disenfranchisement. I’m wondering if there are actual cases of disenfranchisement to support those claims.

 

[horse2H5]

That isn’t how the GOP does voter suppression, but I imagine you know that already.

I mean it's common sense right? I post an article with actual facts, you say its not enough people to be fact.

Then you make conjecture and want to say it as fact. lol

 

[TampaJoe]

That isn’t how the GOP does voter suppression, but I imagine you know that already.

I know thats what you claim.