Will “mass deportation” actually happen (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[horse2H5]

It would be virtually impossible to live or work in Denmark illegally due to several structural and legal barriers.

While it might be possible to enter the country from another EU nation due to minimal border controls within the Schengen area, life in Denmark without a personal ID (CPR number) is highly restricted.

• Banking and Housing: You cannot open a bank account or rent a home without a CPR number.
• Payments: Large cash denominations are being phased out, leaving only smaller bills. Paying significant amounts in cash—for example, at a post office to settle bills—requires proper ID and will trigger reporting to the tax authorities.
• Daily Transactions: Most shops accept only smaller denomination bills, and many transactions, like buying train tickets or visiting a doctor, require an ID.
• Employment: Companies are legally obligated to report all salaries using CPR numbers. Employing someone "under the table" exposes the company to fines and taxes on perceived profits, making it a highly unattractive risk. As a result, most businesses avoid hiring illegal workers.

Denmark’s strict regulations and interconnected systems make it exceedingly difficult for anyone to operate without proper documentation.

I think those laws and systems are the way it should be. Why do you not advocate the same for THE USA?

 

[Dragon]

I think those laws and systems are the way it should be. Why do you not advocate the same for THE USA?

Because most right wing americans are scared of that kind of registration. Denmark is one of the most registered countries in the world Everyone gets an ID at birth. Parents keep their childrens ID until they turn 16. The positive side of this is that it is free and a complete medical history is always available when contacting doctors or hospitals

Likewise it makes elections secure because you need to show both your personal ID and a ballot election card (sendt to your personal adresse) in order to vote. You can also vote electronically by using a 3 factor authentication (something you know, something you have, and biometric confirmation)

All income and expenses are automatically reported by your personal iD so doing your taxes takes about 5 minuttes because you just need to verify that all the numbers are correct (Over the last 20 years I have found ZERO errors)

Your drivers license is also registered by your ID as are Gun permits, Fishing permits etc..

 

[horse2H5]

Because most right wing americans are scared of that kind of registration. Denmark is one of the most registered countries in the world Everyone gets an ID at birth. Parents keep their childrens ID until they turn 16. The positive side of this is that it is free and a complete medical history is always available when contacting doctors or hospitals

Likewise it makes elections secure because you need to show both your personal ID and a ballot election card (sendt to your personal adresse) in order to vote. You can also vote electronically by using a 3 factor authentication (something you know, something you have, and biometric confirmation)

All income and expenses are automatically reported by your personal iD so doing your taxes takes about 5 minuttes because you just need to verify that all the numbers are correct (Over the last 20 years I have found ZERO errors)

Your drivers license is also registered by your ID as are Gun permits, Fishing permits etc..

Right wing is afraid? Ma'am, here in the US only 1 party wants you to be able to vote without an ID. The right would love for us to be on lockdown just like Denmark,. Unfortunately the LEFT can not garner votes from the "minorities" if we had this type of system.

I am so happy to see your country being conservative. Please give us the same support.

By the way, nobody is denied medical treatment in the US except when you are not approved for a procedure because of Obama care. The emergency rooms a full of illegals and legals alike.

 

[horse2H5]

I do forget the mantra of the left.....It is for the, but not for me!

 

[Dragon]

Right wing is afraid? Ma'am, here in the US only 1 party wants you to be able to vote without an ID. The right would love for us to be on lockdown just like Denmark,. Unfortunately the LEFT can not garner votes from the "minorities" if we had this type of system.

I am so happy to see your country being conservative. Please give us the same support.

By the way, nobody is denied medical treatment in the US except when you are not approved for a procedure because of Obama care. The emergency rooms a full of illegals and legals alike.

Conservative? Far from it, lol. And by the way, the ACA actually provides far more comprehensive coverage than many private insurance plans. How about presenting actual data to support your claims instead of just tossing out baseless assertions?

Now, let’s talk about ID requirements. The major difference between Denmark and the U.S. is that in Denmark, ID is provided for free and assigned at birth. Implementing an ID requirement just weeks before an election in the U.S.—where obtaining ID can be costly and challenging, especially for people who are married, divorced, or have mismatched names on their documents—would disproportionately disenfranchise poor people and women. Conveniently, these are the very groups Republicans have historically sought to suppress at the polls.

So, care to try again with a more fact-based argument?

 

[horse2H5]

Conservative? Far from it, lol. And by the way, the ACA actually provides far more comprehensive coverage than many private insurance plans. How about presenting actual data to support your claims instead of just tossing out baseless assertions?

Now, let’s talk about ID requirements. The major difference between Denmark and the U.S. is that in Denmark, ID is provided for free and assigned at birth. Implementing an ID requirement just weeks before an election in the U.S.—where obtaining ID can be costly and challenging, especially for people who are married, divorced, or have mismatched names on their documents—would disproportionately disenfranchise poor people and women. Conveniently, these are the very groups Republicans have historically sought to suppress at the polls.

So, care to try again with a more fact-based argument?

Ma'am, we are issued a social security number at birth and it follows us all of our lives. I looked up the cost of ID's per state. I saw them as low as $6 and high as $25. We have 2 years before the next major election.

If congress really wanted ONLY citizens to vote, they would make federal ID's free with a social security number. We could also pay for an uber ride if needed.

This whole thing of hurting minorities is a paper thin excuse. Getting an is a very small measure to ensure one of the most important rights granted to AMERICANS.

Let me ask, what happens if a Danish citizen loses their ID? How much does it cost to replace? Also what about the poor people of Denmark who can't afford transportation to your version of the DMV. Would that be an acceptable reason to vote in your next election while not presenting identification?

 

[Dragon]

Ma'am, we are issued a social security number at birth and it follows us all of our lives. I looked up the cost of ID's per state. I saw them as low as $6 and high as $25. We have 2 years before the next major election.

If congress really wanted ONLY citizens to vote, they would make federal ID's free with a social security number. We could also pay for an uber ride if needed.

This whole thing of hurting minorities is a paper thin excuse. Getting an is a very small measure to ensure one of the most important rights granted to AMERICANS.

Let me ask, what happens if a Danish citizen loses their ID? How much does it cost to replace? Also what about the poor people of Denmark who can't afford transportation to your version of the DMV. Would that be an acceptable reason to vote in your next election while not presenting identification?

Nothing. It cost nothing and our ID's are not issued by the DMV but by the state and can be sent to you directly by certified mail and does not stand alone. You need to use a password and a passcode generated either on your cellphone or in case of elderly people by a passcard. So you actually need THREE things to identify yourself.

 

[horse2H5]

Nothing. It cost nothing and our ID's are not issued by the DMV but by the state and can be sent to you directly by certified mail and does not stand alone. You need to use a password and a passcode generated either on your cellphone or in case of elderly people by a passcard. So you actually need THREE things to identify yourself.

3 things, so why are you advocating for people to be able to vote in our elections with no ID?


Also, I never did see a response and I apologize if i missed it. Would I be able to enter your country with or without a passport. Get a job, rent a home and stay as long as I desired?

 

[Dragon]

3 things, so why are you advocating for people to be able to vote in our elections with no ID?


Also, I never did see a response and I apologize if i missed it. Would I be able to enter your country with or without a passport. Get a job, rent a home and stay as long as I desired?

I never advocated for allowing people to vote without ID. What I did advocate for is that if voter ID is required, it should be provided free of charge and in a manner that ensures everyone can obtain it, regardless of health, wealth, or gender.

The issue lies in the U.S.'s poorly maintained system for tracking citizen information, which often forces individuals to visit multiple locations in person to gather the necessary documents. In some cases, those critical documents have been lost over the years.

Before requiring voter ID, the registration system must be fixed and made more accessible. Without addressing these issues, voter ID laws risk disenfranchising the elderly, students studying far from home, poor individuals, women whose names don’t match across documents due to marriage or divorce, and those who cannot afford to take time off work or travel long distances to obtain the required documentation.

And let’s be honest—that’s exactly what some Republicans want. By creating these barriers, they aim to suppress the votes of women, young people, and the poor, all of whom are less likely to support their policies.

 

[horse2H5]

I never advocated for allowing people to vote without ID. What I did advocate for is that if voter ID is required, it should be provided free of charge and in a manner that ensures everyone can obtain it, regardless of health, wealth, or gender.

The issue lies in the U.S.'s poorly maintained system for tracking citizen information, which often forces individuals to visit multiple locations in person to gather the necessary documents. In some cases, those critical documents have been lost over the years.

Before requiring voter ID, the registration system must be fixed and made more accessible. Without addressing these issues, voter ID laws risk disenfranchising the elderly, students studying far from home, poor individuals, women whose names don’t match across documents due to marriage or divorce, and those who cannot afford to take time off work or travel long distances to obtain the required documentation.

And let’s be honest—that’s exactly what some Republicans want. By creating these barriers, they aim to suppress the votes of women, young people, and the poor, all of whom are less likely to support their policies.

I agree with the first part, unfortunately, democrats and many of your brethren on this page are against that. If ID is required, illegals could not vote. Ma'am, despite what people in the media tell you, we are not disenfranchised here. We are the most accommodating country in the world, hence the reason people risk entering illegally to enjoy our fruits. Transportation in our country is VERY cheap and available everywhere. The effort is minimal.

Republicans want every citizen in the country who is of legal age and in good standing with the courts to vote. Legally. It is that simple.

 

[Dragon]

I agree with the first part, unfortunately, democrats and many of your brethren on this page are against that. If ID is required, illegals could not vote. Ma'am, despite what people in the media tell you, we are not disenfranchised here. We are the most accommodating country in the world, hence the reason people risk entering illegally to enjoy our fruits. Transportation in our country is VERY cheap and available everywhere. The effort is minimal.

Republicans want every citizen in the country who is of legal age and in good standing with the courts to vote. Legally. It is that simple.

I’ve lived in the U.S., including the South, so I know firsthand what disenfranchisement looks like. Let’s get back to the core issue: until the U.S. ensures that everyone can obtain a legal ID—at no cost and in the community where they live—poor people, those who have moved, and individuals who have divorced will continue to face barriers to voting in significant numbers.
Take Tennessee as an example. Just this year, voting locations in predominantly Black areas were sparse, resulting in hours-long waits. Meanwhile, predominantly white, middle-class areas had plenty of voting locations and minimal wait times. This isn’t ancient history; it’s happening now. So don’t tell me disenfranchisement is a thing of the past.
And about the idea of "good standing"—if that were applied consistently, Trump himself, as a convicted felon, wouldn’t be able to vote for himself. Yet here we are, with people who claim to champion "fairness" still casting their votes for him.

 

[horse2H5]

I’ve lived in the U.S., including the South, so I know firsthand what disenfranchisement looks like. Let’s get back to the core issue: until the U.S. ensures that everyone can obtain a legal ID—at no cost and in the community where they live—poor people, those who have moved, and individuals who have divorced will continue to face barriers to voting in significant numbers.
Take Tennessee as an example. Just this year, voting locations in predominantly Black areas were sparse, resulting in hours-long waits. Meanwhile, predominantly white, middle-class areas had plenty of voting locations and minimal wait times. This isn’t ancient history; it’s happening now. So don’t tell me disenfranchisement is a thing of the past.
And about the idea of "good standing"—if that were applied consistently, Trump himself, as a convicted felon, wouldn’t be able to vote for himself. Yet here we are, with people who claim to champion "fairness" still casting their votes for him.

Ok so we are moving on from the ID's. We both agree an ID should be present to vote.

Standing in line is not a big deal. I waited in line for about 30 minutes in the last election. When Obama ran the first time, I waited in line for almost an hour. These things happen. But we make sacrifices everyday for things important to us. And I stand by disenfranchisement is a thing of the past. We have more access to goods and services than anytime in history. I would venture to say we have more of an availability to goods and services than anywhere in the world.

As far as the convicted felon thing, take that up with the courts.

 

[coldseat]

I agree with the first part, unfortunately, democrats and many of your brethren on this page are against that. If ID is required, illegals could not vote. Ma'am, despite what people in the media tell you, we are not disenfranchised here. We are the most accommodating country in the world, hence the reason people risk entering illegally to enjoy our fruits. Transportation in our country is VERY cheap and available everywhere. The effort is minimal.

Republicans want every citizen in the country who is of legal age and in good standing with the courts to vote. Legally. It is that simple.

3 point:

1.) There isn't a problem with people voting illegally in US elections. There wasn't a problem in 2020 or the last election. So the current identification requirements are sufficient to prevent people from voting illegally.

2. ) While there aren't numbers on this, I'd guess something like 99% of the people vote with a DL or state ID. It's just easier.

3.) Democrats have never opposed requiring identification for voting and have voted for it numerous times. So what you believe is right wing propoganda. They just advocate for alternative measures of identification given that not every legal citizen has a DL or state ID given the reasons that @Dragon has already mentioned.

 

[horse2H5]

3 point:

1.) There isn't a problem with people voting illegally in US elections. There wasn't a problem in 2020 or the last election. So the current identification requirements are sufficient to prevent people from voting illegally.

2. ) While there aren't numbers on this, I'd guess something like 99% of the people vote with a DL or state ID. It's just easier.

3.) Democrats have never opposed requiring identification for voting and have voted for it numerous times. So what you believe is right wing propoganda. They just advocate for alternative measures of identification given that not every legal citizen has a DL or state ID given the reasons that @Dragon has already mentioned.

how many more things are needed? The evil Texas allows 7 different things.

VoteTexas.gov » Voter ID

Analysis: What the data actually shows about whether undocumented immigrants vote in US elections | CNN Politics

House Republicans are flirting with the idea of forcing a government shutdown over the issue of noncitizens voting in US elections. Critics argue it’s already illegal for noncitizens to vote.

www.cnn.com

I am sure you would agree that any number of illegal voters in unacceptable correct?

 

[Dragon]

Ok so we are moving on from the ID's. We both agree an ID should be present to vote.

Standing in line is not a big deal. I waited in line for about 30 minutes in the last election. When Obama ran the first time, I waited in line for almost an hour. These things happen. But we make sacrifices everyday for things important to us. And I stand by disenfranchisement is a thing of the past. We have more access to goods and services than anytime in history. I would venture to say we have more of an availability to goods and services than anywhere in the world.

As far as the convicted felon thing, take that up with the courts.

IF voter id is free and easily avaible

Yes, standing in line is a big deal. If you’re forced to stand in line for 8 hours on a workday, that could mean losing an entire day’s salary—something many people simply can’t afford. Additionally, some states have laws that prohibit offering water or food to people waiting in long voting lines, further exacerbating the challenges faced by disenfranchised groups. It’s especially unfair when voters in middle- or upper-class neighborhoods can easily access polling stations with little wait, while others are left enduring long waits in the heat. This system disproportionately affects low-income individuals, making it harder for them to exercise their right to vote.

 

[horse2H5]

IF voter id is free and easily avaible

Yes, standing in line is a big deal. If you’re forced to stand in line for 8 hours on a workday, that could mean losing an entire day’s salary—something many people simply can’t afford. Additionally, some states have laws that prohibit offering water or food to people waiting in long voting lines, further exacerbating the challenges faced by disenfranchised groups. It’s especially unfair when voters in middle- or upper-class neighborhoods can easily access polling stations with little wait, while others are left enduring long waits in the heat. This system disproportionately affects low-income individuals, making it harder for them to exercise their right to vote.

$6 isnt free, but come on.

Not one person had to stand in line for 8 hours to vote. I call BS. Also, absentee voting is available to all. Low income people are only impacted if they choose to be impacted.

I tend to think that people are innovative when they want something. Instead of telling minorities and poor people that they are unable to live like the rest of us, maybe we start telling them of all of the things they have that the rest of the world is without. Maybe we talk about the american dream and teach them how to get out from the hands of the government. Then maybe they will believe that they can accomplish anything in this great country like every generation before them.

 

[coldseat]

how many more things are needed? The evil Texas allows 7 different things.

Did I say there needed to be more? Did Democrats? The only time this is a discussion is when Republicans are trying to remove options from Americans for no reason.

VoteTexas.gov » Voter ID

Analysis: What the data actually shows about whether undocumented immigrants vote in US elections | CNN Politics

House Republicans are flirting with the idea of forcing a government shutdown over the issue of noncitizens voting in US elections. Critics argue it’s already illegal for noncitizens to vote.

www.cnn.com

Did you read that whole article?

I am sure you would agree that any number of illegal voters in unacceptable correct?

Given those numbers are vanishingly small if it occurs at all, I'd rather or legislator focus on finding way to expand voting and make it easier so that more legal citizens can vote in elections. Don't you?

 

[Dragon]

how many more things are needed? The evil Texas allows 7 different things.

VoteTexas.gov » Voter ID

Analysis: What the data actually shows about whether undocumented immigrants vote in US elections | CNN Politics

House Republicans are flirting with the idea of forcing a government shutdown over the issue of noncitizens voting in US elections. Critics argue it’s already illegal for noncitizens to vote.

www.cnn.com

I am sure you would agree that any number of illegal voters in unacceptable correct?

$6 isnt free, but come on.

Not one person had to stand in line for 8 hours to vote. I call BS. Also, absentee voting is available to all. Low income people are only impacted if they choose to be impacted.

I tend to think that people are innovative when they want something. Instead of telling minorities and poor people that they are unable to live like the rest of us, maybe we start telling them of all of the things they have that the rest of the world is without. Maybe we talk about the american dream and teach them how to get out from the hands of the government. Then maybe they will believe that they can accomplish anything in this great country like every generation before them.

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/9245...-to-wait-in-line-for-hours-too-few-polling-pl