Will “mass deportation” actually happen (3 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[SystemShock]

Do you think those doctors in the streets in Cuba could afford to come to the US on a F1 Visa?

Most Americans can’t afford college in the US, much less as a foreign student.

They aren’t talking about bringing H1Bs in from Havana medical school or Mumbai community college.

You have no forking idea what you are talking about.

Why the lashing out? You and Texanwhatevs, I'll tell ya...

The Cuba point, it was an example to show that not because someone gets an advanced degree in another country, it means that someone is necessarily well off.

Side note, depending on different factors, some companies will pay for the entire H1B process for a candidate.

No one said anything about foreign students getting degrees in the U.S.

Mumbai community college... LOL. I don't think they have community colleges in India as we know them in the U.S., but the University of Mumbai is a well-regarded public university in India that's very cheap for the citizens of India.

And I do have a forking idea... I worked in technology for decades, worked directly with many people with those visas, even did technical interviews for many a H1B candidate, and hey, even a few from the University of Mumbai.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Almost half of Republicans support using military to lock up immigrants in camps

Forty-six percent of Republicans support deploying the military to conduct mass deportation raids and detaining immigrants in camps

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Scoutster]

Almost half of Republicans support using military to lock up immigrants in camps

Forty-six percent of Republicans support deploying the military to conduct mass deportation raids and detaining immigrants in camps

www.independent.co.uk

I support legal immigration, not open borders that people can run across at will. What do you people not understand there are over 4 billion people in this world that can claim they are in hardship because 4,000,000,000+ people live in poverty and oppression if we took them all in we’d be a Third World country overnight like I said, I support legal immigration and those that look like Salma Hayek.

 

[samiam5211]

Why the lashing out? You and Texanwhatevs, I'll tell ya...

The Cuba point, it was an example to show that not because someone gets an advanced degree in another country, it means that someone is necessarily well off.

Side note, depending on different factors, some companies will pay for the entire H1B process for a candidate.

No one said anything about foreign students getting degrees in the U.S.

Mumbai community college... LOL. I don't think they have community colleges in India as we know them in the U.S., but the University of Mumbai is a well-regarded public university in India that's very cheap for the citizens of India.

And I do have a forking idea... I worked in technology for decades, worked directly with many people with those visas, even did technical interviews for many a H1B candidate, and hey, even a few from the University of Mumbai.

No one is getting an H1B who went to college in Cuba or India. Why bring it up?

You have no forking idea.

 

[Sendai]

No one is getting an H1B who went to college in Cuba or India. Why bring it up?

You have no forking idea.

Yeah they come in on L1B visas. Some of the most talented people I had on projects came from India and Pakistan on L1B visas. Also Ireland and Australia.

 

[SystemShock]

No one is getting an H1B who went to college in Cuba or India. Why bring it up?

Well, probably not from Cuba, given the quality of education, but India? Are there no U.S. consulates in India?

You can apply for an H1B either if you already are in the U.S. or outside the U.S. You just do it through the local U.S. consulate.

From https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/h-1b-specialty-occupations

Step 3:
Prospective Workers Outside the United States Apply for Visa and/or Admission.
Once the Form I-129 petition has been approved, the prospective H-1B worker who is outside the United States may apply with the U.S. Department of State (DOS) at a U.S. embassy or consulate abroad for an H-1B visa (if a visa is required). Regardless of whether a visa is required, the prospective H-1B worker must then apply to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) for admission to the United States in H-1B classification.

BTW, U.S. corporations hire literally legions of people who graduate from universities in India. I worked for a financial institution, and even with all of the restrictions, we still had a large contingent of tech workers in India; my team we were half U.S./half India, all of them with degrees from universities in India... and I know that because I conducted technical interviews and saw the resumes. Our 24/7 NOC mostly India/Singapore.

You have no forking idea.

So you just are going to lash out and accuse me of having "no forking idea".. I shouldn't be surprised.

 

[J-DONK]

Well, probably not from Cuba, given the quality of education, but India? Are there no U.S. consulates in India?

You can apply for an H1B either if you already are in the U.S. or outside the U.S. You just do it through the local U.S. consulate.

From https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/h-1b-specialty-occupations



BTW, U.S. corporations hire literally legions of people who graduate from universities in India. I worked for a financial institution, and even with all of the restrictions, we still had a large contingent of tech workers in India; my team we were half U.S./half India, all of them with degrees from universities in India... and I know that because I conducted technical interviews and saw the resumes. Our 24/7 NOC mostly India/Singapore.




So you just are going to lash out and accuse me of having "no forking idea".. I shouldn't be surprised.

Yeah when I worked for an ISP there was an entire team of H1B's. I knew another personally.

You have stories like this:

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

I'm all for H1B. It just needs to be reformed. It creates a slave labor situation with it being tied directly to the employer. Elon likes it for those reasons.

 

[samiam5211]

Yeah they come in on L1B visas. Some of the most talented people I had on projects came from India and Pakistan on L1B visas. Also Ireland and Australia.

L1Bs are for intra company transfers for multi-national companies. The only real difference between an H1B and a L1B is where it is a multinational company that the employee already works for.

I don't give a fork how qualified H1B's are. That's not the point.

Immigration should not be used as a crutch for a failing education system. I'm glad MAGA is finally seeing who their owners care about.

 

[samiam5211]

Well, probably not from Cuba, given the quality of education, but India? Are there no U.S. consulates in India?

You can apply for an H1B either if you already are in the U.S. or outside the U.S. You just do it through the local U.S. consulate.

From https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/h-1b-specialty-occupations



BTW, U.S. corporations hire literally legions of people who graduate from universities in India. I worked for a financial institution, and even with all of the restrictions, we still had a large contingent of tech workers in India; my team we were half U.S./half India, all of them with degrees from universities in India... and I know that because I conducted technical interviews and saw the resumes. Our 24/7 NOC mostly India/Singapore.




So you just are going to lash out and accuse me of having "no forking idea".. I shouldn't be surprised.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Your experience in this is a tiny little bubble.

 

[MT15]

You are confused. I haven’t defended it for pages and pages.

Apologies. The two of you both start with T and sing much the same tune. (I said “much” not all, lol).

The first sentence still applies to your comment.

 

[Sendai]

L1Bs are for intra company transfers for multi-national companies. The only real difference between an H1B and a L1B is where it is a multinational company that the employee already works for.

I don't give a fork how qualified H1B's are. That's not the point.

Immigration should not be used as a crutch for a failing education system. I'm glad MAGA is finally seeing who their owners care about.

A lot of international Companies hired top talent from India, Pakistan, and Asia for the sole purpose of bringing them to United States operations. We did it routinely. I attended a whole lot of Naturalization ceremonies.

 

[SystemShock]

A lot of international Companies hired top talent from India, Pakistan, and Asia for the sole purpose of bringing them to United States operations. We did it routinely. I attended a whole lot of Naturalization ceremonies.

Nonsense! You know nothing! Only he knows!

 

[coldseat]

Yeah when I worked for an ISP there was an entire team of H1B's. I knew another personally.

You have stories like this:

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

I'm all for H1B. It just needs to be reformed. It creates a slave labor situation with it being tied directly to the employer. Elon likes it for those reasons.

I don't know about a slave labor situation. The people hired with H1B visa's at my company get the same pay and benefits as other employees, no difference. I would assume most technical fields are similar. These are well paying jobs that our company would likely rather hire American citizens for (because of the lack of paperwork and complexity), but just can't find educated and qualified candidates for.

But it does tie them to their job. Still, we've had people on H1B visas leave for other opportunities, so I imagine you can change jobs. Not sure how hard it is.

 

[coldseat]

Immigration should not be used as a crutch for a failing education system.

I agree with this. That's what's really at the heart of the overuse of H1B visas. The same reason why so many of our nurses come from the Philippines.

We need to make the education required to pursue these fields cheaper and easier to access for Americans in lower income brackets. Then we need to encourage American children to seek careers in these fields and stop attacking professionals in general.

That's really the only thing that's going to turn the trend with H1B vises around.

 

[J-DONK]

I don't know about a slave labor situation. The people hired with H1B visa's at my company get the same pay and benefits as other employees, no difference. I would assume most technical fields are similar. These are well paying jobs that our company would likely rather hire American citizens for (because of the lack of paperwork and complexity), but just can't find educated and qualified candidates for.

But it does tie them to their job. Still, we've had people on H1B visas leave for other opportunities, so I imagine you can change jobs. Not sure how hard it is.

I can only speak anecdotally. It was very hard to swap jobs because you had to get a new visa from the new employer. It makes these employes much less likely to quit. That's what Elon likes, and other companies actually like about it. That's what makes is slave labor. I promise you the last people to leave twitter were the H1B's.

All the people I was discussing were Indian. They all had degrees from American colleges.

 

[MT15]

Yeah, anecdotally what I have heard is that companies feel they can generally treat these visa holders worse than other employees who would have an easier time leaving the company. They give them the worst assignments, worst shifts, etc.

 

[SystemShock]

I agree with this. That's what's really at the heart of the overuse of H1B visas.

Not from my perspective. Even if education was free in the U.S., a U.S. corporation would prefer hiring someone on the other side of the world who's going to work for 1/4 of the salary a U.S. engineer would make and a sack of rice, on whatever days and hours of the week, and then maybe bring that person over for 1/2 the salary and not complain about the work schedule.

BTW, the sack of rice comment is not meant to be condescending... I don't know if they still do it, but Hewlett Packard used to give its Philippine employees sacks of rice for Christmas, and those were valued by the employees. Give a U.S. engineer a sack of rice for Christmas, or tell a U.S. NOC tech to work 11pm to 7am on New Year's Eve for the same hourly rate as 9-5 M-F, see what happens.

There are many other perks of hiring off-shore or near-shore... for example, in the U.S., when you leave your job, you usually give 15 days notice, even though you really don't have to; in India, you have to give 2 month's notice.

Of course, when you bring people over who are used to work in those conditions, by U.S. law you can't make them work in some of those conditions in the U.S., but you certainly get a much more flexible employee, who can be discarded when you are done with him without the HR hassle a U.S. citizen/resident would bring, as they usually (in my experience) they come as contractors. My last employer, by law (I was told this by HR) being a financial institution, contracts could not extend past 18 months... so disposable engineers.

Not long after the tech bubble burst and through the mortgage crisis, I saw many colleagues get laid off, and be given a choice: leave now, or leave in 2 months while you train your replacement in India/Singapore/Philippines. If someone is thinking of going into STEM, one has to take into consideration that you are competing with people around the world who are willing to work for much less than you and in less favorable conditions. For many, depending on the field they are considering, it may not be worth their while.

And one last thing: an H1B visa isn't really a substitute for immigration It's just a temporary permit to work somewhere. You can be kicked out when your job ends.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Rod Cross, the mayor of Toledo, Oregon, paused to pick up his mail in early December as he usually does while backing out of his driveway, but a hand-addressed envelope stopped him in his tracks.

The anonymous letter, titled “The brown roundup, part one,” warned that come January, the country would “commence the largest roundup of brown illegals in our history.”

It later detailed ways to help the deportation of “folks who you suspect are here in our country on an illegal basis” — including by taking down license plate numbers and sharing it with authorities, according to Cross, who read from the letter during a Toledo city council meeting Wednesday.

“I’m livid because I don’t know if history is just not getting taught anymore or if the memories of my father and his generation have just been wiped out of existence,” he said at the meeting. “But this is not America.”

The letter had also been sent to officials of other Oregon cities, including Coos Bay, North Bend and Lincoln City, all along the state’s coast, Cross said. In the days since, state and local officials have condemned the letter’s content, calling it a racist and offensive attempt to intimidate Oregon residents.

The state has joined the list of communities in the United States that in recent months have been the subject of anti-immigrant messaging, sometimes amplified by President-elect Donald Trump and his allies. Trump has pledged to carry out mass deportations after his January inauguration.

In a statement Friday, Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum (D) said “racist letter writing campaigns” had “no place” in the state.

“It is time to rise above these despicable tactics and demonstrate the true spirit of inclusivity and compassion that defines the Oregon way,” Rosenblum said……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/12/22/oregon-racist-letters-immigrants/