Will “mass deportation” actually happen (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[Texan1211]

If they came over legally, I have no issue with it. If they came over illegally, I don’t see awarding illegal behavior with citizenship. But as has been stated, these folks didn’t come here to vote, they came to work. So let them work and pay taxes. Citizenship is a different matter from immigration. IMV

What they want you to say is that Musk and Melania should be deported, I don't think they will accept less than that. See, you can believe illegal aliens should be deported and people coming here and staying here legally should have a path to citizenship. But they seem to have trouble separating the two.

 

[TampaJoe]

Which of the last 4 presidents have owned companies convicted of employing illegal immigrants ?


And we were talking about immigrant who has legal work visa - not illegals. So why should they not have a legal road to citizent ship?

As to your question. I don’t know.

As to your second point, I was speaking to undocumented illegal migrants. That should have been clear when I said I would not reward illegal behavior with a path to citizenship.

If we want to go there, we should address it as a separate issue.

 

[Dragon]

What they want you to say is that Musk and Melania should be deported, I don't think they will accept less than that. See, you can believe illegal aliens should be deported and people coming here and staying here legally should have a path to citizenship. But they seem to have trouble separating the two.

Wrong. I want to know if others who did what Musk and Melania did should receive the same treatment - you know equal rights under the eye of the law

And he did write that those who came on work visas legally should not have a path to citizent ship. I asked him to confirm that

And who was the president whose companies were fined for employing illegal immigrants? Only one of the last 4 did this

 

[TampaJoe]

Which of the last 4 presidents have owned companies convicted of employing illegal immigrants ?


And we were talking about immigrant who has legal work visa - not illegals. So why should they not have a legal road to citizent ship?

As to your question. I don’t know.

As to your second point, I was speaking to undocumented illegal migrants. That should have been clear when I said I would not reward illegal behavior with a path to citizenship.

If we want to go there, we should address it as a separate issue

 

[Texan1211]

Wrong. I want to know if others who did what Musk and Melania did should receive the same treatment - you know equal rights under the eye of the law

You keep beating that dead horse. They are both already citizens. Give them a pas like you give the dreamers passes.

 

[Dragon]

https://americasvoice.org/blog/trump-hates-legal-immigration-except-when-he-loves-it/

The documents show that after things got ugly over unpaid wages, Trump sought Sullivan’s advice on the workers and their immigration status. At one point, a lawyer for the Poles testified, Trump threatened, through his own lawyer, to call the Immigration and Naturalization Service and have the workers deported. And when the Labor Department launched a probe of the Polish laborers, Trump again called Sullivan for help, asking him to meet the federal investigator at Trump’s office, according to the documents.

https://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/


https://www.axios.com/2019/02/08/trump-organization-illegal-immigrants

News outlets have reported over the past several months that undocumented immigrants, a group that since he began his presidential campaign President Trump has aggressively maligned, disparaged, and wanted out of the country, work in a number of Trump’s properties.

The President hasn’t spoken on the matter for months, but recently more stories appeared detailing how his properties have hired undocumented workers. On Friday, he was asked by The New York Times if the very people he has vowed to keep out of the country still work on his golf courses. “I don’t know because I don’t run it,” he replied.

“But I would say this,” he added. “Probably every club in the United States has that because it seems to be, from what I understand, a way that people did business.”

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...umented-immigrants-working-at-his-properties/

 

[MT15]

Trump has been employing undocumented workers for decades. Almost his entire life. He screwed over some Eastern European construction workers in NYC so badly that they famously risked deportation to sue him for unpaid wages.

His properties undoubtedly employ undocumented workers to this day. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess there will be no ICE raids of Trump properties and none of his workers will be deported.

 

[Dragon]

Trump has been employing undocumented workers for decades. Almost his entire life. He screwed over some Eastern European construction workers in NYC so badly that they famously risked deportation to sue him for unpaid wages.

His properties undoubtedly employ undocumented workers to this day. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess there will be no ICE raids of Trump properties and none of his workers will be deported.

Unless they make trouble and demand to be paid what he promissed.

 

[DaveXA]

Oh, man, please don't tell me you think every act made by a President is an official act,.

I didn't say that either. Of course not every act is a Presidential act, but parsing out what is and isn't a Presidential act isn't always so simple, and a large part of why it ended up before SCOTUS to begin with.

 

[MT15]

I didn't say that either. Of course not every act is a Presidential act, but parsing out what is and isn't a Presidential act isn't always so simple, and a large part of why it ended up before SCOTUS to begin with.

Somebody loves to accuse others of making a strawman argument, yet employs them liberally himself.

 

[DaveXA]

What they want you to say is that Musk and Melania should be deported, I don't think they will accept less than that. See, you can believe illegal aliens should be deported and people coming here and staying here legally should have a path to citizenship. But they seem to have trouble separating the two.

No, we're not saying that, we're saying treat everyone the same way they're treated. Why the double standard? They don't need the be deported. Simply put, don't deport those who came here the same way. It's not really that complicated.

 

[Texan1211]

No, we're not saying that, we're saying treat everyone the same way they're treated. Why the double standard? They don't need the be deported. Simply put, don't deport those who came here the same way. It's not really that complicated.

I don't think your scenario has a practical solution if what we are talking about is deporting non-citizens.

 

[TampaJoe]

No, we're not saying that, we're saying treat everyone the same way they're treated. Why the double standard? They don't need the be deported. Simply put, don't deport those who came here the same way. It's not really that complicated.

It’s not really that simple either. I doubt you will find a “one size fits all” immigration policy. In fact, rarely will you find a policy that doesn’t have some exceptions. Not every immigrant is the same.

But let’s start with deporting those folks who have committed crimes or who have valid deportation orders. Let’s start there. Let’s also start with reversing the Biden executive orders and work towards a more secure and controlled border. Let’s start there. That’s what folks voted for in the last election. Let’s start there.

 

[TampaJoe]

I didn't say that either. Of course not every act is a Presidential act, but parsing out what is and isn't a Presidential act isn't always so simple, and a large part of why it ended up before SCOTUS to begin with.

That’s why SCOTUS left it to the lower courts to decide.

 

[Texan1211]

Of course not every act is a Presidential act, but parsing out what is and isn't a Presidential act isn't always so simple, and a large part of why it ended up before SCOTUS to begin with.

That seems very different than saying SCOTUS said something completely different in their ruling than they really did.

 

[DaveXA]

It’s not really that simple either. I doubt you will find a “one size fits all” immigration policy. In fact, rarely will you find a policy that doesn’t have some exceptions. Not every immigrant is the same.

But let’s start with deporting those folks who have committed crimes or who have valid deportation orders. Let’s start there. Let’s also start with reversing the Biden executive orders and work towards a more secure and controlled border. Let’s start there. That’s what folks voted for in the last election. Let’s start there.

You do realize the law already is being enforced for those committing crimes, particularly violent crimes? I mean, the start is already there. I mean, more people are being deported now than has been in a long while, to the tune of 350k per year if I recall correctly. Which is about as much as we can do with the manpower available.

And for all of the bellyaching about border security, I'm not convinced either party is truly serious about the immigration issue. It's a wedge issue that is used to score points during elections. I don't think many in Congress truly care about the issue. They only care that it wins them votes. Clearly why the comprehensive immigration bill last year was killed, and by you know who.

 

[DaveXA]

That seems very different than saying SCOTUS said something completely different in their ruling than they really did.

 

[TampaJoe]

You do realize the law already is being enforced for those committing crimes, particularly violent crimes? I mean, the start is already there. I mean, more people are being deported now than has been in a long while, to the tune of 350k per year if I recall correctly. Which is about as much as we can do with the manpower available.

And for all of the bellyaching about border security, I'm not convinced either party is truly serious about the immigration issue. It's a wedge issue that is used to score points during elections. I don't think many in Congress truly care about the issue. They only care that it wins them votes. Clearly why the comprehensive immigration bill last year was killed, and by you know who.

Already being enforced? Really? Well except for those folks who happen to be locked up in sanctuary cities.

We will see how many local jurisdictions cooperate with the Feds. We will see. Maybe you are right.