Will “mass deportation” actually happen (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[J-DONK]

Already being enforced? Really? Well except for those folks who happen to be locked up in sanctuary cities.

We will see how many local jurisdictions cooperate with the Feds. We will see. Maybe you are right.

Do conseratives, like Tampajoe, think sanctuary cities are releasing 10000's of illegal immigrants every year?

 

[Texan1211]

Do conseratives, like Tampajoe, think sanctuary cities are releasing 10000's of illegal immigrants every year

Do conseratives, like Tampajoe, think sanctuary cities are releasing 10000's of illegal immigrants every year?

I won't speak for him, but I don't. Do you think it is okay to release convicted illegal alien felons because the number may be low? Shouldn't it really be at near zero? To protect the public?

 

[MT15]

But let’s start with deporting those folks who have committed crimes or who have valid deportation orders. Let’s start there.

That’s been the standard for years and years. It was definitely Obama’s focus, and also Biden’s. Trump didn’t really adhere to that standard.

I read a fun fact: Obama during his years really focused on deporting anyone who had any criminal conduct. And under Trump, the number of deportations of criminals actually went down because his Administration didn’t prioritize that. They just deported indiscriminately, so a larger number of criminals immigrants were not deported.

 

[Texan1211]

That’s been the standard for years and years.

And yet, there are some (quite a few, actually) still here with deportation orders.
About a million and a half.

Map shows nationalities of immigrants awaiting ICE deportation from US

ICE data showed over nearly 1.5 million people had final orders of removal but were not being held by the agency in November.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

The Oklahoma State Department of Education proposed a new administrative rule on Tuesday that would require school districts to collect data on undocumented students in the state. The agency that oversees the state’s public and charter schools announced the proposed rule about a month before President-elect Donald Trump, who has promised an unprecedented crackdown on undocumented immigrants, is back in the White House.

In 1982, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled in Plyler v. Doe that schools must enroll all children, regardless of their immigration status, making it illegal to ask individual students about their immigration status.

Oklahoma’s proposed rule change would require school districts to report the number of students who are unable to prove their citizenship. This likely doesn’t run afoul of any state or federal laws — the text of the rule says that the data would be anonymous and not used to keep children from going to school — and could discourage parents from sending their children to school.

There are about 6,000 undocumented students enrolled in Oklahoma’s public schools, according to the Migration Policy Institute.

“What purpose does such a requirement serve aside from creating yet another tool to ‘other’ children from different cultures, and to create a chilling effect on enrollment by minority children and their families?” Karen Svoboda, the executive director of Defense of Democracy, a nonprofit that advocates for equality in public schools, told The Oklahoman.

The public will be able to comment on the measure until Jan. 17. OSDE will hold public hearings before adopting the rule.

The proposed measure says the data would be used to gather information for funding needs, including English language instructors.

But Ryan Walters, the state superintendent for public instruction who oversees the agency, has made a name for himself as a right-wing extremist, heaping praise on Trump and claiming undocumented children are too expensive to educate. In October, Walters wrote a letter to Vice President Kamala Harris demanding that the Biden administration reimburse Oklahoma the $475 million he claims the state spent educating undocumented students.

“In conclusion, President Biden tasked you with remediating the crisis of illegal immigration at the southern U.S. border. Under your supervision, the costs in education due to illegal immigration have risen astronomically,” Walters wrote in the letter. “Your failed oversight and efforts are a direct cause of the current crises Oklahoma and other states now face. Oklahoma taxpayers, schools, teachers, and parents should not bear the burden of your failings.”.............

Oklahoma Just Made A Chilling New Proposal For Immigrant Children

It's straight out of the Project 2025 playbook.

www.huffpost.com

 

[TampaJoe]

That’s been the standard for years and years. It was definitely Obama’s focus, and also Biden’s. Trump didn’t really adhere to that standard.

I read a fun fact: Obama during his years really focused on deporting anyone who had any criminal conduct. And under Trump, the number of deportations of criminals actually went down because his Administration didn’t prioritize that. They just deported indiscriminately, so a larger number of criminals immigrants were not deported.

Things would have gone much better for Biden had he followed the Obama standard.

 

[Dragon]

Things would have gone much better for Biden had he followed the Obama standard.

Obama and Biden used that policy. Trump did not. Read what he wrote...

 

[TampaJoe]

That’s been the standard for years and years. It was definitely Obama’s focus, and also Biden’s. Trump didn’t really adhere to that standard.

I read a fun fact: Obama during his years really focused on deporting anyone who had any criminal conduct. And under Trump, the number of deportations of criminals actually went down because his Administration didn’t prioritize that. They just deported indiscriminately, so a larger number of criminals immigrants were not deported.

That explains why Biden Harris won such a lopsided victory on Nov 6.

 

[Dragon]

That explains why Biden Harris won such a lopsided victory on Nov 6.

Misinformation and propaganda, heavily driven by right-wing billionaire-owned media outlets, have played a significant role in this cycle. Add to that the inadequate educational systems in many states, which fail to teach critical thinking and source evaluation, and you have a recipe for disaster. When people are bombarded with propaganda daily and are conditioned to believe everything they’re told—regardless of whether it contradicts their own eyes or logic—this is the predictable outcome.

Take Trump’s recent actions as an example. He promised lower grocery prices but is already backtracking on that commitment. He also denied any involvement in Project 2025—a sweeping conservative agenda to reshape the federal government—until two days after the election, when he confirmed his support for it. This pattern of misleading statements followed by quiet admissions is emblematic of how disinformation gains traction and shapes public perception, even when the facts eventually surface.

When people fall under the sway of a demagogue cult leader, even the most undeniable facts lose their power. They simply don’t see them. It’s a form of mass psychosis, where truth is turned into lies, and lies are elevated to truth. This distortion of reality creates an environment where critical thinking is abandoned, and loyalty to the leader overrides reason, logic, and evidence.

 

[TampaJoe]

Misinformation and propaganda, heavily driven by right-wing billionaire-owned media outlets, have played a significant role in this cycle. Add to that the inadequate educational systems in many states, which fail to teach critical thinking and source evaluation, and you have a recipe for disaster. When people are bombarded with propaganda daily and are conditioned to believe everything they’re told—regardless of whether it contradicts their own eyes or logic—this is the predictable outcome.

Take Trump’s recent actions as an example. He promised lower grocery prices but is already backtracking on that commitment. He also denied any involvement in Project 2025—a sweeping conservative agenda to reshape the federal government—until two days after the election, when he confirmed his support for it. This pattern of misleading statements followed by quiet admissions is emblematic of how disinformation gains traction and shapes public perception, even when the facts eventually surface.

When people fall under the sway of a demagogue cult leader, even the most undeniable facts lose their power. They simply don’t see them. It’s a form of mass psychosis, where truth is turned into lies, and lies are elevated to truth. This distortion of reality creates an environment where critical thinking is abandoned, and loyalty to the leader overrides reason, logic, and evidence.

That deserves a double face palm.

 

[Dragon]

That deserves a double face palm.

I take that as a compliment

 

[cuddlemonkey]

That deserves a double face palm.

Can you point to anything Dragon said that was incorrect?

 

[TampaJoe]

Can you point to anything Dragon said that was incorrect?

Incorrect? Pretty much all opinion and speculative. That’s okay. It’s a discussion. Opinions happen all the time in discussions.

 

[TampaJoe]

I take that as a compliment

As was intended.

 

[coldseat]

Incorrect? Pretty much all opinion and speculative. That’s okay. It’s a discussion. Opinions happen all the time in discussions.

That's not true at all. There's such a thing as an informed opinion and a bullshirt opinion built on propoganda and bad information.

There's also something called an expert opinion built on years of knowledge, study and practice in a particular field.

Those 3 types of opinions are very different and should be weighted as such.

 

[J-DONK]

That's not true at all. There's such a thing as an informed opinion and a bullshirt opinion built on propoganda and bad information.

There's also something called an expert opinion built on years of knowledge, study and practice in a particular field.

Those 3 types of opinions are very different and should be weighted as such.

Yeah it's not debate tactic but I don't know what to really call it. You can link 4 studies that back up your opinion, and Tampajoe will say "Well we both have our own equal opinions, and that's that."

Another way to say that is "I'm here to troll, not have a real discussion."

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Incorrect? Pretty much all opinion and speculative. That’s okay. It’s a discussion. Opinions happen all the time in discussions.

Except it's not speculative. It's verifiable.

Misinformation and propaganda, heavily driven by right-wing billionaire-owned media outlets, have played a significant role in this cycle. Add to that the inadequate educational systems in many states, which fail to teach critical thinking and source evaluation, and you have a recipe for disaster. When people are bombarded with propaganda daily and are conditioned to believe everything they’re told—regardless of whether it contradicts their own eyes or logic—this is the predictable outcome.

Take Trump’s recent actions as an example. He promised lower grocery prices but is already backtracking on that commitment.

Q: "If the prices of groceries don't come down, will your presidency be a failure?"

A: "I don't think so. Look, they got them up. I'd like to bring them down. It's hard to bring things down once they're up. You know, it's very hard. But I think that they will."

He also denied any involvement in Project 2025—a sweeping conservative agenda to reshape the federal government—until two days after the election, when he confirmed his support for it. This pattern of misleading statements followed by quiet admissions is emblematic of how disinformation gains traction and shapes public perception, even when the facts eventually surface.

Q: "During the campaign, you disavowed Project 2025, but so far at least five people you’ve appointed to top positions in your cabinet have ties to it. Doesn’t that undermine what you told Americans on the campaign trail?"

A: "No look, I don't—I don't disagree with everything in Project 2025, but I disagree with some things. I specifically didn't want to read it because it wasn't under my auspices, and I wanted to be able to say that, you know, the only way I can say I have nothing to do with it is if you don't read it. I don't want—I didn't want to read it. I read enough about it. They have some things that are very conservative and very good. They have other things that I don't like. I won't go into individual items, but I had nothing to do with Project 2025. Now, if we had a few people that were involved, they had hundreds of them. This is a big document, from what I understand."

When people fall under the sway of a demagogue cult leader, even the most undeniable facts lose their power. They simply don’t see them. It’s a form of mass psychosis, where truth is turned into lies, and lies are elevated to truth. This distortion of reality creates an environment where critical thinking is abandoned, and loyalty to the leader overrides reason, logic, and evidence.

This is literally how cults work, Joe. This isn't opinion, this is fact.

Cult of personality - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That's what it looks like when people deal in facts, Joe. You should try it.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Guess this can go here
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A company owned by two of Donald Trump’s top mega-donors has routinely brought dozens of its workers from Mexico to staff its warehouses in Wisconsin and other locations even though they do not appear to have permission to work in the US, according to a Guardian investigation.

Uline – a giant Wisconsin-based office and shipping supply company controlled by billionaires Liz and Dick Uihlein – shuttles in its own workers from Mexico, who are using tourist visas and visas meant for employees who are entering the US temporarily to receive professional training, known as B1 visas.

But instead of being part of a dedicated training program, the Mexican employees stay for one to six months and – sources with direct knowledge of the matter allege – perform normal work in Uline’s US warehouses.

Lawyers and immigrants’ advocates told the Guardian they believed the alleged practice is likely illegal and could be exploitative of the workers enrolled in the program.

The company has allegedly used employees without proper work permits even as Dick Uihlein’s Super Pac, Restoration Pac, supported Trump’s presidential campaign with a TV advertisement attacking his opponent Kamala Harris for allowing an immigrant “invasion” at the US-Mexico border.

The Uihleins have emerged as a major force in rightwing politics, spending tens of millions of dollars supporting candidates, including president-elect Trump and other rightwing politicians, who have called for a mass deportation of immigrants.

They were the second-largest political donors in this year’s election, giving more than even Elon Musk, the world’s richest man.……

Major Trump donors who complained of immigrant ‘invasion’ used Mexican workers illegally, sources allege

Exclusive: Experts believe the alleged ‘shuttle support’ program used by Uline – a company owned by billionaires Liz and Dick Uihlein – is likely illegal and exploitative of workers

www.theguardian.com