Will “mass deportation” actually happen (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[Optimus Prime]

If there’s a problem that epitomizes the arduousness — and likely the impracticality — of President-elect Donald Trump’s second-term agenda, it might be the fate of the U.S. citizen children of undocumented immigrants Trump wants to mass deport.

Trump reiterated Sunday that his goal is to deport all undocumented immigrants. But an estimated 4.4 million minor children who are citizens live with undocumented parents in the United States. That means a huge portion of the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country have minor children who are not legally subject to deportation.

If you follow Trump’s logic, the government would then be returning to — and indeed potentially increasing exponentially — the highly controversial family separation policy that the first Trump administration carried out for border-crossers. That led to an estimated 5,000 children being separated from their parents.

Trump and his incoming administration don’t appear to have a good answer for how they would prevent this — or indeed if they want to.

NBC News’s Kristen Welker pressed Trump on this issue in an interview that aired Sunday, and Trump suggested that the children of undocumented immigrants would be deported, too.

“I don’t want to be breaking up families, so the only way you don’t break up the family is you keep them together and you have to send them all back,” Trump said.

When Welker noted that the children have U.S. citizenship because they were born here, Trump didn’t back away, either.

“Well, what you’ve got to do if they want to stay with their father — look, we have to have rules and regulations,” Trump said. “You can always find something out like, you know, ‘This doesn’t work. That doesn’t work.’”

The options for the administration are relatively simple: Either you somehow deport U.S. citizens, too, or you separate these families by sending the parents to another country.

Either option is obviously fraught. It’s not at all clear how the former would pass legal muster. As for the latter, while polls have shown the American people lean in favor of the broad concept of mass deportation, a recent survey showed they opposed it 57 percent to 38 percent if it leads to the separation of families.

Trump’s comments echo those made by his incoming border czar, Tom Homan, in a late October interview with CBS News’s “60 Minutes.”

Homan was asked if there was a way to do mass deportation without separating families, and he responded, “Of course there is: Families can be deported together.”.............

MSN

Trump has a new family separation problem​

 

[MT15]

Trump is too stupid to understand what he is talking about. He’s a moron.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Taurus]

If there’s a problem that epitomizes the arduousness — and likely the impracticality — of President-elect Donald Trump’s second-term agenda, it might be the fate of the U.S. citizen children of undocumented immigrants Trump wants to mass deport.

Trump reiterated Sunday that his goal is to deport all undocumented immigrants. But an estimated 4.4 million minor children who are citizens live with undocumented parents in the United States. That means a huge portion of the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country have minor children who are not legally subject to deportation.

If you follow Trump’s logic, the government would then be returning to — and indeed potentially increasing exponentially — the highly controversial family separation policy that the first Trump administration carried out for border-crossers. That led to an estimated 5,000 children being separated from their parents.

Trump and his incoming administration don’t appear to have a good answer for how they would prevent this — or indeed if they want to.

NBC News’s Kristen Welker pressed Trump on this issue in an interview that aired Sunday, and Trump suggested that the children of undocumented immigrants would be deported, too.

“I don’t want to be breaking up families, so the only way you don’t break up the family is you keep them together and you have to send them all back,” Trump said.

When Welker noted that the children have U.S. citizenship because they were born here, Trump didn’t back away, either.

“Well, what you’ve got to do if they want to stay with their father — look, we have to have rules and regulations,” Trump said. “You can always find something out like, you know, ‘This doesn’t work. That doesn’t work.’”

The options for the administration are relatively simple: Either you somehow deport U.S. citizens, too, or you separate these families by sending the parents to another country.

Either option is obviously fraught. It’s not at all clear how the former would pass legal muster. As for the latter, while polls have shown the American people lean in favor of the broad concept of mass deportation, a recent survey showed they opposed it 57 percent to 38 percent if it leads to the separation of families.

Trump’s comments echo those made by his incoming border czar, Tom Homan, in a late October interview with CBS News’s “60 Minutes.”

Homan was asked if there was a way to do mass deportation without separating families, and he responded, “Of course there is: Families can be deported together.”.............

MSN

Trump has a new family separation problem​

What option hurts brown people the most?

That's the one Cheato will pick.

I hope every 1st-generation latin immigrant who voted for Cheato has the chance to say goodbye to relatives and friends who get deported whether they're legal or not.

 

[fooferdoggie]

the whole FBI will do a background check is a red herring because when the FBI was supposed to do Brett Kavanaugh they just did a fake call in phone line that the info went directly to the trump admin.so this will be the same way no real investigations otherwise none of these very unqualified people would actually make tt.

 

[SystemShock]

The smart thing to would have been to continue the “remain in Mexico” policy. That was working.

Not for Mexico. fork that.

 

[coldseat]

Not for Mexico. fork that.

Mexico doesn't have a say. Accept it or suffer the 3,000% tariffs.

Pay for the wall too!

 

[Booker]

Either option is obviously fraught. It’s not at all clear how the former would pass legal muster. As for the latter, while polls have shown the American people lean in favor of the broad concept of mass deportation, a recent survey showed they opposed it 57 percent to 38 percent if it leads to the separation of families.

You gotta be a pretty evil piece of shirt to be in favor of separating kids from their families. Shameful.

 

[SystemShock]

Mexico doesn't have a say. Accept it or suffer the 3,000% tariffs.

Pay for the wall too!

Why are you so mean?
You are hurting my feelings.

 

[coldseat]

Why are you so mean?
You are hurting my feelings.

I've lived in Texas for too long.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A surge of migrants at the border. President Biden's debate performance. High interest rates. Phillip can tick off the reasons he voted for President-elect Donald Trump.

But that doesn't mean the first-generation Mexican American is a full-throated Republican. And he sure doesn't want his neighbors knowing how he voted.

"Downey is a small community," he said while walking with his wife and two dogs at dusk along a quiet street of lush lawns and wide, flat streets. Supporting Trump antagonizes people around here.

Downey, a suburb about 10 miles southeast of downtown Los Angeles, has become a landing spot for upwardly mobile and wealthy Latinos, so much so it has been dubbed "the Mexican Beverly Hills." And like many other parts of the middle- and working-class southeast county, the so-called Gateway Cities, it has seen a shift in support toward Donald Trump.

Trump didn't win any precinct in Downey outright, but he narrowed the gap between himself and his Democratic rivals, and in doing so, made for some awkward moments at family gatherings for people such as Phillip and his wife.

In Downey, Trump gained 18.8 percentage points in November compared with the 2020 presidential election, which saw a record turnout. Other cities in the southeast county moved even further right, though Democrat Kamala Harris still maintained a solid lead. The Trump bump between the two elections was 28.6 points in Bell, 27.3 points in Bell Gardens and 24.1 points in Huntington Park.

"These numbers should be a wake-up call for Democrats," said Sara Sadhwani, an assistant professor of politics at Pomona College. "They won these cities, but clearly their margin is declining. It presents a host of questions for the future of the Democratic Party and the extent to which they're going to do outreach and listen to the largest growing segment of the American populace."

The Trump phenomenon has altered the political landscape and the conversation at family dinners in the Gateway Cities, which like the rest of Los Angeles County, are majority Democratic.

"There's a stigma," said Phillip, a 38-year-old construction contractor, who asked to not use his last name for that very reason. His wife said there's some tension in her Democratic family; her father, who gets his news from Univision, voted for Harris. And she's frustrated by family members struggling to gain citizenship while newly arrived asylum seekers were housed.

A close look at the data from the Los Angeles County registrar-recorder/clerk's office show that in more than a dozen southeast cities, there was a shift of 20 points or more toward Trump since 2020. In Downey, Biden had won by 35.1%, while Harris won by 16.3%, a difference of 18.8 points.

Phillip said he voted for President Obama and isn't the only one who has swung from blue to red in his neighborhood.

The city of 114,000 is 75% Latino and many of the more successful residents made it there with a strong entrepreneurial spirit. The median household income of $97,000 is slightly higher than the rest of California, but the educational level is lower, with about a quarter of all residents holding a bachelor's degree. This is not a city built on old money.

"Downey is what success looks like for Latinos," said Luis Alvarado, a political consultant and former Republican who specializes in municipal elections in southeast Los Angeles County. "We have always been conservative ideologically, culturally and religiously."

Many Latinos now either support or overlook Trump's anti-immigration rhetoric and his promises of mass deportations, he said..............

It's hard to admit you voted for Trump in 'the Mexican Beverly Hills'

In final tallies of the 2024 presidential election, Downey and other largely Latino working-class cities in Southeast L.A. County saw big shifts in support of Trump.

www.latimes.com

 

[coldseat]

A surge of migrants at the border. President Biden's debate performance. High interest rates. Phillip can tick off the reasons he voted for President-elect Donald Trump.

But that doesn't mean the first-generation Mexican American is a full-throated Republican. And he sure doesn't want his neighbors knowing how he voted.

"Downey is a small community," he said while walking with his wife and two dogs at dusk along a quiet street of lush lawns and wide, flat streets. Supporting Trump antagonizes people around here.

Downey, a suburb about 10 miles southeast of downtown Los Angeles, has become a landing spot for upwardly mobile and wealthy Latinos, so much so it has been dubbed "the Mexican Beverly Hills." And like many other parts of the middle- and working-class southeast county, the so-called Gateway Cities, it has seen a shift in support toward Donald Trump.

Trump didn't win any precinct in Downey outright, but he narrowed the gap between himself and his Democratic rivals, and in doing so, made for some awkward moments at family gatherings for people such as Phillip and his wife.

In Downey, Trump gained 18.8 percentage points in November compared with the 2020 presidential election, which saw a record turnout. Other cities in the southeast county moved even further right, though Democrat Kamala Harris still maintained a solid lead. The Trump bump between the two elections was 28.6 points in Bell, 27.3 points in Bell Gardens and 24.1 points in Huntington Park.

"These numbers should be a wake-up call for Democrats," said Sara Sadhwani, an assistant professor of politics at Pomona College. "They won these cities, but clearly their margin is declining. It presents a host of questions for the future of the Democratic Party and the extent to which they're going to do outreach and listen to the largest growing segment of the American populace."

The Trump phenomenon has altered the political landscape and the conversation at family dinners in the Gateway Cities, which like the rest of Los Angeles County, are majority Democratic.

"There's a stigma," said Phillip, a 38-year-old construction contractor, who asked to not use his last name for that very reason. His wife said there's some tension in her Democratic family; her father, who gets his news from Univision, voted for Harris. And she's frustrated by family members struggling to gain citizenship while newly arrived asylum seekers were housed.

A close look at the data from the Los Angeles County registrar-recorder/clerk's office show that in more than a dozen southeast cities, there was a shift of 20 points or more toward Trump since 2020. In Downey, Biden had won by 35.1%, while Harris won by 16.3%, a difference of 18.8 points.

Phillip said he voted for President Obama and isn't the only one who has swung from blue to red in his neighborhood.

The city of 114,000 is 75% Latino and many of the more successful residents made it there with a strong entrepreneurial spirit. The median household income of $97,000 is slightly higher than the rest of California, but the educational level is lower, with about a quarter of all residents holding a bachelor's degree. This is not a city built on old money.

"Downey is what success looks like for Latinos," said Luis Alvarado, a political consultant and former Republican who specializes in municipal elections in southeast Los Angeles County. "We have always been conservative ideologically, culturally and religiously."

Many Latinos now either support or overlook Trump's anti-immigration rhetoric and his promises of mass deportations, he said..............

It's hard to admit you voted for Trump in 'the Mexican Beverly Hills'

In final tallies of the 2024 presidential election, Downey and other largely Latino working-class cities in Southeast L.A. County saw big shifts in support of Trump.

www.latimes.com

They'll get what they voted for. Hope they enjoy it!

 

[Optimus Prime]

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — As President-elect Donald Trump assembles his administration, Republican governors and lawmakers in some states are already rolling out proposals that could help him carry out his pledge to deport millions of people living in the U.S. illegally.

Lawmakers in a growing number of states are proposing to give local law officers the power to arrest people who entered the country illegally, mirroring recent laws in Texas and elsewhere that have been placed on hold while courts weigh whether they unconstitutionally usurp federal authority.

Other legislation filed ahead of next year’s legislative sessions would require local law enforcement agencies to notify U.S Immigration and Customs Enforcement when they take someone into custody who is in the country illegally, even if the charges have nothing to do with their immigration status. Though not specifically requested by Trump, many of the state proposals would complement his immigration policies……..

Republican-led states are rolling out plans that could aid Trump's mass deportation effort

Governors and lawmakers in Republican-led states are rolling out plans that could aid President-elect Donald Trump's effort to deport millions of people living in the U.S. illegally.

apnews.com

 

[TampaJoe]

Not for Mexico. fork that.

Well then Mexico has a decision to make and will need to be prepared to accept the consequences. I have a feeling the incoming POTUS will expect them to cooperate significantly on the border. He has already signalled that he is prepared to lean on them very hard to get what he wants.

My guess is that you will see a return to the previous “remain in Mexico” policy.

 

[DaveXA]

Well then Mexico has a decision to make and will need to be prepared to accept the consequences. I have a feeling the incoming POTUS will expect them to cooperate significantly on the border. He has already signalled that he is prepared to lean on them very hard to get what he wants.

My guess is that you will see a return to the previous “remain in Mexico” policy.

I mean, bullying a sovereign country, and a neighbor no less is a very Poots thing to do. They need to get a room and leave our country alone.

 

[TampaJoe]

I mean, bullying a sovereign country, and a neighbor no less is a very Poots thing to do. They need to get a room and leave our country alone.

I guess that depends on your perspective when it comes to “bullying”. They are a neighbor and a trading partner. They need to cooperate on the border. If they won’t do that then perhaps they aren’t the neighbor or trading partner we think they are.

They have a choice to make. Choices have consequences.

 

[DaveXA]

I guess that depends on your perspective when it comes to “bullying”. They are a neighbor and a trading partner. They need to cooperate on the border. If they won’t do that then perhaps they aren’t the neighbor or trading partner we think they are.

They have a choice to make. Choices have consequences.

Yes, for both them and us. We're better and stronger as good, healthy trading partners. Telling them what they should do on their side of the border serves to weaken that relationship. Trump don't give two sheets about relationships with neighbors.

 

[TampaJoe]

Yes, for both them and us. We're better and stronger as good, healthy trading partners. Telling them what they should do on their side of the border serves to weaken that relationship. Trump don't give two sheets about relationships with neighbors.

Perhaps they don’t give two sheets either.

We should implement a policy on the border that works best for us. They can be helpful in that endeavor. If they chose not to help then they should be prepared to accept the consequences. We should be prepared to accept the consequences as well.