Will “mass deportation” actually happen (9 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Another obvious attempt by this lawless government to instigate violence in Los Angeles! They will not stop doing this, the GOP is intent on using the armed forces on its citizens.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Another obvious attempt by this lawless government to instigate violence in Los Angeles! They will not stop doing this, the GOP is intent on using the armed forces on its citizens.

I agree with you and it was my first thought. They know they can't get away with "firing the first shot" so they are trying to bait us into striking first. I'm glad that we here in Los Angeles haven't take the bait so far.

Los Angeles has been peaceful since June 5th, except for the ICE goons.

I'm hearing more and more that the CA national guardsmen think that it's all stupid and they're getting aggravated with Trump and his Republicans. If that's true, then Trump won't be trying a military coup or any other military oppression.

I've been to MacArthur Park several times. It's a great park with friendly people. It has a small lake and you can rent those swan pedal boats to cruise around the lake. I haven't seen anyone leave a cake out in the rain though.

The neighborhood around has cool architecture and little shops. It hasn't been gentrified/corporatized yet. It's wise to stay out of the park once the sun sets, but that's true for a lot of parks all across the country.

If the mission was to take on shady elements, then they should have gone in at night, but then no one would have noticed. The whole point of this was to be noticed and provoke a fight. It had nothing to do with criminal activity or keeping the peace.

 

[superchuck500]

How are things at the concentration camp?

 

[Optimus Prime]

How are things at the concentration camp?

And that’s why the administration is trying so hard to paint everyone who’s being rounded up as a hardened murderous criminal

Even if this Everglades camp is every bit as deadly and horrible as it could be the level of outrage may not be what it should be

“Bad hombres deserve bad things to happen to them”

This is also why any real prison reform is slow, and that's for people who many there is no doubt are bad people

And from a certain point of view I admit that I understand the sentiment

"What do I care if a murderer or someone who raped a 7 year old kid or a 70 year old grandmother is served food that is slightly spoiled?"

 

[superchuck500]

It is literally Trump administration policy that "we will fill farm labor shortages caused by deportation with Americans previously on Medicaid".

Stupid and delusional are really bad combinations.

 

[Dragon]

It is literally Trump administration policy that "we will fill farm labor shortages caused by deportation with Americans previously on Medicaid".

Stupid and delusional are really bad combinations.

If people are on medicaid they most likely would not be "ablebodied" but Trump could just send his sons out into the fields I suppose

 

[Optimus Prime]

Dems to push bill that would ban face masks for ICE agents and

Under new bill, immigration law enforcement personnel would be banned from using non-medical face coverings

www.independent.co.uk

 

[coldseat]

It is literally Trump administration policy that "we will fill farm labor shortages caused by deportation with Americans previously on Medicaid".

Stupid and delusional are really bad combinations.

I wonder what the thinking process was for this brain child?

"What's the fastest way we can get these mooches off of Medicaid? ... Hmmm, I know we can take it away from then and force them to work "the fields" and kill them off faster! We solve the illegal problem with farm work at the same time."

 

[superchuck500]

And, in a surprise to no one, DOJ lawyers have been lying to the courts all this time.

 

[MT15]

It is literally Trump administration policy that "we will fill farm labor shortages caused by deportation with Americans previously on Medicaid".

Stupid and delusional are really bad combinations.

Here’s the breakdown of working age people who are on Medicaid. The majority of them are already working - either full time or 20 hours a week. Where are they going to find all these “able-bodied” people who can work in the fields? Idiots.

 

[MT15]

Also this:

 

[Dragon]

Also this:

Russia, China, and Cambodia all come to mind—tragic examples where rapid political or ideological upheaval led to catastrophic famines.

I however don't think that it will come to this - rather I think that those "concentration camps" are going to rent out labor for profit to farmers in places like Florida and may even try to do it in California too but I seem to remember that CA just made a law making that a crime (need to look it up)

 

[Sendai]

If people are on medicaid they most likely would not be "ablebodied" but Trump could just send his sons out into the fields I suppose

“Just over 31.2 million people ages 19 to 64 were enrolled in Medicaid in 2023, KFF found. More than 2.4 million of them were also covered by Medicare, and 2.7 million received disability benefits from Social Security or Supplemental Security Income benefits. Excluding those two groups of people, who presumptively have disabilities that would exempt them from the work requirements, leaves 26.1 million enrollees. Among that group, 11.5 million worked full time (44.1%) and 5.1 million worked part time (19.5%).

Of the 9.5 million people who didn’t work, 3.2 million cited caregiving responsibilities as a reason, while 1.7 million said they were in school and 2.6 million cited illness or disability.”

What the data says about Medicaid

The joint federal-state health insurance program covered 71.4 million Americans as of January 2025.

www.pewresearch.org

This report does a pretty good breakdown of Medicaid recipients.

Heard a report on NPR the other day and the consensus was that the biggest problem was folks couldn’t navigate the paperwork.

 

[Dragon]

“Just over 31.2 million people ages 19 to 64 were enrolled in Medicaid in 2023, KFF found. More than 2.4 million of them were also covered by Medicare, and 2.7 million received disability benefits from Social Security or Supplemental Security Income benefits. Excluding those two groups of people, who presumptively have disabilities that would exempt them from the work requirements, leaves 26.1 million enrollees. Among that group, 11.5 million worked full time (44.1%) and 5.1 million worked part time (19.5%).

Of the 9.5 million people who didn’t work, 3.2 million cited caregiving responsibilities as a reason, while 1.7 million said they were in school and 2.6 million cited illness or disability.”

What the data says about Medicaid

The joint federal-state health insurance program covered 71.4 million Americans as of January 2025.

www.pewresearch.org

This report does a pretty good breakdown of Medicaid recipients.

Heard a report on NPR the other day and the consensus was that the biggest problem was folks couldn’t navigate the paperwork.

One issue that doesn’t get enough attention is the large number of people who are technically employed but not offered full-time hours so companies can avoid providing benefits like health insurance. Retail giants like Walmart often cap workers at 30–35 hours a week for this reason. These workers are essentially working full-time but are denied coverage due to corporate cost-cutting.

According to the Pew report, 44% of adult Medicaid recipients work full time and another 19.5% work part time—that’s over 16 million people in the workforce. Of the rest, most aren’t “unwilling to work” but are caregivers, students, or dealing with illness or disability. NPR recently reported that one of the biggest barriers is navigating the paperwork—many eligible people lose coverage simply because the system is too complex. A universal healthcare system would reduce this bureaucracy, ensure everyone is covered regardless of hours worked, and likely remove the incentive for employers to rely on part-time labor to cut costs. It could actually lead to more stable, full-time jobs if health coverage were no longer tied to employment status.

 

[Sendai]

One issue that doesn’t get enough attention is the large number of people who are technically employed but not offered full-time hours so companies can avoid providing benefits like health insurance. Retail giants like Walmart often cap workers at 30–35 hours a week for this reason. These workers are essentially working full-time but are denied coverage due to corporate cost-cutting.

According to the Pew report, 44% of adult Medicaid recipients work full time and another 19.5% work part time—that’s over 16 million people in the workforce. Of the rest, most aren’t “unwilling to work” but are caregivers, students, or dealing with illness or disability. NPR recently reported that one of the biggest barriers is navigating the paperwork—many eligible people lose coverage simply because the system is too complex. A universal healthcare system would reduce this bureaucracy, ensure everyone is covered regardless of hours worked, and likely remove the incentive for employers to rely on part-time labor to cut costs. It could actually lead to more stable, full-time jobs if health coverage were no longer tied to employment status.

“Medical coverage
If you’re a part-time hourly or temporary associate, including field Supply Chain associates and pharmacists but NOT part-time truck drivers, your work hours will be measured every 60 days during your first year of employment. We’ll let you know if you become eligible.

• Part-time and temporary associates working an average of at least 30 hours per week over a 60-day measurement period will become eligible for benefits.
• Part-time hourly pharmacists, nurse practitioners, and field Supply Chain associates must work an average of at least 24 hours per week in a 60-day measurement period to be eligible.
• Once you’re eligible you can enroll for all benefits available to part-time associates, including medical coverage. You can enroll for coverage within 60 days after the end of the measurement period when you became eligible. Once this happens, you’ll remain eligible for the remainder of the calendar year and the year after.
• Your benefits start on the first day of the month in which the 89th day following the beginning of the 60-day measurement period occurs.”

When do Part Time & Temp Benefits Begin

Learn when part time and temporary associates can start benefits here.

one.walmart.com

 

[MT15]

“Medical coverage
If you’re a part-time hourly or temporary associate, including field Supply Chain associates and pharmacists but NOT part-time truck drivers, your work hours will be measured every 60 days during your first year of employment. We’ll let you know if you become eligible.

• Part-time and temporary associates working an average of at least 30 hours per week over a 60-day measurement period will become eligible for benefits.
• Part-time hourly pharmacists, nurse practitioners, and field Supply Chain associates must work an average of at least 24 hours per week in a 60-day measurement period to be eligible.
• Once you’re eligible you can enroll for all benefits available to part-time associates, including medical coverage. You can enroll for coverage within 60 days after the end of the measurement period when you became eligible. Once this happens, you’ll remain eligible for the remainder of the calendar year and the year after.
• Your benefits start on the first day of the month in which the 89th day following the beginning of the 60-day measurement period occurs.”

When do Part Time & Temp Benefits Begin

Learn when part time and temporary associates can start benefits here.

one.walmart.com

This doesn’t tell the whole story. Not too many part time employees probably average 30 hours a week consistently. And the employer in this case has incentive to make sure they do not.

But what struck me was that you have to “qualify” during a 60-day window, then you have to wait for the 90th day after that window to begin your benefits. I’ve never seen a window that long anywhere I’ve worked even for part-time employees.

Also, apparently it was reported in Oct 2024 that Walmart would stop offering health insurance to part-time employees.

Wal-Mart to End Health Insurance for Part-Time Employees – Healthcare-NOW

www.healthcare-now.org

As it is, only 47% of Walmart employees get health insurance.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

It is literally Trump administration policy that "we will fill farm labor shortages caused by deportation with Americans previously on Medicaid".

Stupid and delusional are really bad combinations.

Our current Agricultural Secretary obviously doesn't know very much about agriculture. We don't have the technology to automate the harvest of crops that are harvested by hand, that's why they're still harvesting them by hand. Robotics with reliable and consistent fine tactile control and camera-to-grabber/gripper coordination combined is the least it would take to automate the harvesting of crops that are still harvested by hand. Even then, the robot also has to be able to handle the wear and tear of exposure to dirt, sand, and water.

We don't have have that reliable technology yet and when we do, it will take years to get them from prototype to harvesting in the fields.

 

[bird]

Our current Agricultural Secretary obviously doesn't know very much about agriculture. We don't have the technology to automate the harvest of crops that are harvested by hand, that's why they're still harvesting them by hand. Robotics with reliable and consistent fine tactile control and camera-to-grabber/gripper coordination combined is the least it would take to automate the harvesting of crops that are still harvested by hand. Even then, the robot also has to be able to handle the wear and tear of exposure to dirt, sand, and water.

We don't have have that reliable technology yet and when we do, it will take years to get them from prototype to harvesting in the fields.

So, to cut to the chase, the AgSec is an idiot.