Will “mass deportation” actually happen (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

So, to cut to the chase, the AgSec is an idiot.

She could not be an idiot and not know very much about agriculture at the same time, but I'm not not saying she's an idiot.

She's definitely incompetent and over her head in her position as Secretary of Agriculture. It would be more of surprise if a Trump cabinet member was competent for their position.

 

[MT15]

 

[bird]

She could not be an idiot and not know very much about agriculture at the same time, but I'm not not saying she's an idiot.

She's definitely incompetent and over her head in her position as Secretary of Agriculture. It would be more of surprise if a Trump cabinet member was competent for their position.

True that.

Incompetence is a feature, not a bug.

 

[Dragon]

What concerns me even more is what will happen when those robots do become widely available. Agriculture in Denmark has always leaned heavily on technology and continues to become more mechanized each year, requiring fewer and fewer workers to do the same amount of work.

Even 40 years ago, when I studied at the Royal Agricultural University, we already had automated feeders and semi-automated milking systems. Today, one person can do the work that used to take three or four. Modern machines can harvest crops, remove unwanted parts, wash the produce, sort it by size or weight — and I’ve even seen prototypes that can pack it, too. The real question is: what happens to all the people whose labor is no longer needed? And even more troubling — what happens if, during the transition, children and young people are pulled out of school to cover labor shortages in the fields? What happens to those?

In a social democratic society, these disruptions would be met with retraining, education, and support systems to help people transition into new roles. But in an ultra-capitalist society like the current MAGA-driven USA, where safety nets are being systematically dismantled — what happens then?

 

[Optimus Prime]

An Iranian mother detained by US Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers has been released this week following advocacy from Republican House Majority Leader Steve Scalise.

Mandonna “Donna” Kashanian, 64, was detained by ICE officers last month as she gardened in the yard of her New Orleans home. She had been living in the United States for 47 years and her husband and daughter are both US citizens.

Ms Kashanian had been allowed to stay in the US as long as she checked in regularly with immigration authorities, as she had done without fail, her family and attorney said.

After a surge of community support for Ms Kashanian, Mr Scalise, who represents Louisiana's First Congressional District, including the New Orleans suburbs, told media outlet WDSU that he asked the Department of Homeland Security to give Kashanian “a fair shake”.

Mr Scalise said Ms Kashanian should be judged on “her life’s work” and role in her community.

“When she was picked up, we looked at it and said, ‘Are they really looking at it the right way, objectively?’” Mr Scalise told WDSU. “And so they took a second look at it.”

Mr Scalise’s intervention was “absolutely crucial” to behind-the-scenes advocacy to secure Ms Kashanian’s release, her attorney Ken Mayeaux told The Associated Press. What happens next for Ms Kashanian's legal status is still being worked out, he added.……..

Iranian mother living in US for 47 years released from ICE detention

Mandonna ‘Donna’ Kashanian, 64, was detained by ICE officers last month as she gardened in the yard of her New Orleans home

www.independent.co.uk

 

[bird]

An Iranian mother detained by US Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers has been released this week following advocacy from Republican House Majority Leader Steve Scalise.

Mandonna “Donna” Kashanian, 64, was detained by ICE officers last month as she gardened in the yard of her New Orleans home. She had been living in the United States for 47 years and her husband and daughter are both US citizens.

Ms Kashanian had been allowed to stay in the US as long as she checked in regularly with immigration authorities, as she had done without fail, her family and attorney said.

After a surge of community support for Ms Kashanian, Mr Scalise, who represents Louisiana's First Congressional District, including the New Orleans suburbs, told media outlet WDSU that he asked the Department of Homeland Security to give Kashanian “a fair shake”.

Mr Scalise said Ms Kashanian should be judged on “her life’s work” and role in her community.

“When she was picked up, we looked at it and said, ‘Are they really looking at it the right way, objectively?’” Mr Scalise told WDSU. “And so they took a second look at it.”

Mr Scalise’s intervention was “absolutely crucial” to behind-the-scenes advocacy to secure Ms Kashanian’s release, her attorney Ken Mayeaux told The Associated Press. What happens next for Ms Kashanian's legal status is still being worked out, he added.……..

Iranian mother living in US for 47 years released from ICE detention

Mandonna ‘Donna’ Kashanian, 64, was detained by ICE officers last month as she gardened in the yard of her New Orleans home

www.independent.co.uk

And every other immigrant who picks food, works construction, pays taxes isn’t deserving of Scalise’s intervention?

 

[Optimus Prime]

This is also why any real prison reform is slow, and that's for people who many there is no doubt are bad people

And from a certain point of view I admit that I understand the sentiment

"What do I care if a murderer or someone who raped a 7 year old kid or a 70 year old grandmother is served food that is slightly spoiled?"

‘Texas has the money’: families fight for basic air conditioning in state’s prisons

Fearing heat-related deaths in prisons that push past 100F, many advocate for AC to be installed in five dozen facilities

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

I’ll admit that this didn’t even occur to me that this would happen
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As the Trump administration ramps up its crackdown on immigration, undocumented workers in the construction industry claim raids and arrests have emboldened some contractors to cut pay and increase hours.

Rogelio, a tile setter, works for various contractors in the the Tucson, Arizona region. He is undocumented, and did not provide his full name.

When Donald Trump returned to office in January, Rogelio said his employers cut their rates by 30% to 40%. Other laborers told him they had endured similar treatment.

“They decreased the pay by piece because they know most of the tile setters don’t have social security numbers, so they take advantage of that. We are in their hands,” Rogelio told the Guardian. “It’s more work, less pay. We have no choice right now.


“We’re struggling with bills. We’re struggling with food. We’re struggling with everything because we don’t get enough money to pay whatever we need to pay.”

Many of the undocumented immigrants Rogelio knows are only leaving home to work, Rogelio said. “We have a lot of fear,” he told the Guardian. “We look for news in the morning to see if we’re able to go to work or not.”

With around 2.9 million US construction workers – some 34% of the workforce – foreign-born, construction sector lobbyists have publicly urged the Trump administration to soften their hardline stance on immigration. “While the need for safe and secure borders is paramount, mass deportation is not the answer,” Buddy Hughes, chairman of the National Association of Home Builders, said in a statement.

Advocates for workers rights say some operators in the sector are using Trump’s crackdown to abuse undocumented workers.

“Especially in construction, there’re a lot of subcontractors that take advantage of this situation by not paying them the fair wage or not even paying them at all,” said Laura Becerra, movement politics director of the non-profit Workers Defense Project based in Texas.

Undocumented workers are unlikely to lodge an official complaint, she added. “Since people don’t want to say anything because they don’t want to be put on the radar, and they’re also getting retaliated against if they do say something.”……..

Undocumented builders face unchecked exploitation amid Trump raids: ‘It’s more work, less pay’

In a new series on undocumented workers, construction laborers tell the Guardian fear is fueling wage theft and workplace abuse

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Students from around the world who hope to study in the United States are winding down much of their online activity, unfollowing celebrities and politicians, asking friends and family to stop sending news links and scouring their own internet presence for posts that carry even the faintest whiff of hot-button politics.

International student visa applicants told The Washington Post that the sanitization is driven by fear that a single “like” or meme, if taken the wrong way, could derail years of hard work, should it run afoul of sweeping new visa-vetting procedures under President Donald Trump. Tech companies have also been marketing account-scrubbing and screening tools to foreign visitors.

The State Department announced “expanded screening” last month, directing applicants to set their social media accounts to “public.” An internal State Department cable obtained by The Post instructed consular officers to find “any indications of hostility toward the citizens, culture, government, institutions, or founding principles of the United States.”

“Anything that could be seen as having a side, I unfollowed. I unfollowed AOC, Kamala, Biden, Obama, everyone,” said Madeline, a visa applicant. She and other students interviewed for this story spoke on the condition that their surnames or full names be withheld, for fear of derailing their visa eligibility.

“It seems very dystopian,” she said.

One applicant said he “went and unliked all [of Kamala Harris’s] posts from five months past.” Another student said that as a precaution, they unfollowed people with the Palestinian flag or watermelon emoji, a pro-Palestinian symbol, in their Instagram bios.

The new rule applies to visa applicants for academic, vocational and exchange programs in the United States. Last year, more than 1 million international students studied here.

“This is a commonsense policy,” a senior State Department official said in response to a request for more details on the vetting system. Officials are looking for evidence of “a potential threat to our national security like expressing support for terrorism and hostility towards Americans and our way of life,” the official said.

“Applying for a visa is voluntary, and individuals are free to decide whether to pursue travel to the United States,” the department said.

Some applicants said they found their precautions — including for fear of appearing to diverge from “founding principles of the United States” — at odds with the impulses that made them want to study there in the first place.

“Surely the founding principles are, you know, being able to speak up,” said a visa applicant interested in human rights.

Unsure how broadly the officers would interpret the vetting guidance, the applicant took what he called “the cautious approach.” He has taken down posts beginning in 2007 and unfollowed Instagram accounts with Arabic names, even cinema groups. This month, he came across an Instagram reel of charity work in Afghanistan: “This is going to sound so silly, but I liked it then unliked it,” he said.

Faced with “irrational guidance, your response is irrational,” the applicant said.

One international student said he took down a meme saying “I want to punch a wall” that he posted after learning of a temporary issue with his dance major credits, in case immigration officials flagged that as violent, he said.

On Reddit, nervous prospective applicants have congregated to compare notes, asking: “Is it best to deactivate socials?” Some urged and others warned against the approach, cautioning that it could raise rather than allay suspicion. The State Department told consulates to remind applicants that “limited access to, or visibility of, online presence could be construed as an effort to evade or hide certain activity.”................

To study in the U.S. under Trump, international students scrub their accounts​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/07/09/international-students-visas-trump-social-media-online-vetting/

 

[Sendai]

What concerns me even more is what will happen when those robots do become widely available. Agriculture in Denmark has always leaned heavily on technology and continues to become more mechanized each year, requiring fewer and fewer workers to do the same amount of work.

Even 40 years ago, when I studied at the Royal Agricultural University, we already had automated feeders and semi-automated milking systems. Today, one person can do the work that used to take three or four. Modern machines can harvest crops, remove unwanted parts, wash the produce, sort it by size or weight — and I’ve even seen prototypes that can pack it, too. The real question is: what happens to all the people whose labor is no longer needed? And even more troubling — what happens if, during the transition, children and young people are pulled out of school to cover labor shortages in the fields? What happens to those?

In a social democratic society, these disruptions would be met with retraining, education, and support systems to help people transition into new roles. But in an ultra-capitalist society like the current MAGA-driven USA, where safety nets are being systematically dismantled — what happens then?

Adult Training Programs

The U.S. Department of Labor's Employment and Training Administration (ETA) provides information on training programs and other services that are available to assist workers who have been laid off or are about to be laid off. For a list of programs nearest you, contact an American Job Center or...

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[Sendai]

 

[Dragon]

Adult Training Programs

The U.S. Department of Labor's Employment and Training Administration (ETA) provides information on training programs and other services that are available to assist workers who have been laid off or are about to be laid off. For a list of programs nearest you, contact an American Job Center or...

www.dol.gov

Isn't most of those things part of that which was defunded in the BBB ? I know I read several articles about how it hurt inner city youths among others....

 

[MT15]

Pretty good evidence that ICE used surreptitious means to identify cell phones present at a peaceful protest in Oregon.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Members of the nation’s sixth-largest Catholic community are excused from attending mass over “genuine fear” of immigration enforcement actions that have rocked communities across Los Angeles and surrounding neighborhoods.

Church leadership with the Diocese of San Bernardino, which spans San Bernardino and Riverside counties in California with 92 parishes and more than 1.7 million Catholics, issued a rare decree Tuesday following immigration arrests on church properties.

San Bernardino Bishop Alberto Rojas issued the decision “in light of the pastoral needs of our diocese and the concerns expressed by many of our brothers and sisters regarding fears of attending Mass due to potential immigration enforcement actions by civil authorities,” according to his letter.

Fears of Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids “may deter some members of our diocese from fulfilling obligation to attend Sunday Mass and holy days of obligation,” Rojas wrote.

Such fear “constitutes a grave inconvenience that may impede the spiritual good of the faithful,” he added.

The decree also encourages pastors and other faith leaders to “provide compassionate support to those affected by this fear, ensuring they feel welcome and safe in our communities,” and to seek out “alternative means” for parishioners to receive sacraments, including baptisms and communion.……..

Major Catholic diocese says parishioners can skip mass over fears of ICE raids

A rare decree from San Bernadino Bishop Alberto Rojas says ICE raids pose a ‘grave inconvenience’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Sendai]

Isn't most of those things part of that which was defunded in the BBB ? I know I read several articles about how it hurt inner city youths among others....

“Stefanik celebrates Big Beautiful Bill expanding Pell Grants for workforce training”

“House Republican Chairwoman Elise Stefanik announced the successful inclusion of Workforce Pell Grants provisions in the recently passed One Big Beautiful Bill. This legislation aims to provide students and workers with opportunities to gain skills in high-demand fields by allowing Pell Grants to support enrollment in high-quality short-term workforce programs.”

Stefanik celebrates Big Beautiful Bill expanding Pell Grants for workforce training

House Republican Chairwoman Elise Stefanik announced the successful inclusion of Workforce Pell Grants provisions in the recently passed One Big Beautiful Bill.

cbs6albany.com

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

What concerns me even more is what will happen when those robots do become widely available. Agriculture in Denmark has always leaned heavily on technology and continues to become more mechanized each year, requiring fewer and fewer workers to do the same amount of work.

Even 40 years ago, when I studied at the Royal Agricultural University, we already had automated feeders and semi-automated milking systems. Today, one person can do the work that used to take three or four. Modern machines can harvest crops, remove unwanted parts, wash the produce, sort it by size or weight — and I’ve even seen prototypes that can pack it, too. The real question is: what happens to all the people whose labor is no longer needed? And even more troubling — what happens if, during the transition, children and young people are pulled out of school to cover labor shortages in the fields? What happens to those?

In a social democratic society, these disruptions would be met with retraining, education, and support systems to help people transition into new roles. But in an ultra-capitalist society like the current MAGA-driven USA, where safety nets are being systematically dismantled — what happens then?

You just touched on one of the things that's motivating the rise in global tyranny and one of the reasons we have to fight like hell not to let the tyrants take over. Everyone sees whats coming. Almost all human labor will be replaced by machine labor which means no work for people. With our "work to live" zeitgeist, that means the people who can't work are either left to die or they are mass murdered.

The tyrants want to seize control, so they can imprison to death or flat out mass murder the vast majority of us who they will deem useless therefore unworthy of living. They don't want to take the risk of the majority of the planet uniting to create a new zeitgeist of "live to live," because that terrifies them. In a society like that, they can't hoard resources and power, and they can't easily manipulate and dominate people. The tyrants are fighting like hell to reassert and expand the power they have, because they know that we are going to go one way or the other.

The 90% of us across the planet will either unite and move forward together toward a more empathy, respect, cooperation and more equitable sharing, or we will let the tyrants take over and they will drastically and rapidly reduced the world's population. They basically want the planet all to themselves. They've only somewhat tolerated us, because they needed our labor. If they are in charge the day they no longer need our labor, then we're toast, as in murdered and cremated.

Think I'm crazy, Check out Peter Thiel's ultimate dream which he keeps trying and keeps failing at. He hasn't given up on his dream. He keeps trying and he won't stop until he gets what he wants, is stopped by us or he dies.

The Tycoon Who Planned His Very Own Island Utopia in the 1970s

When governments buckle, stock markets collapse, and clowns run for president, a billionaire’s thoughts turn naturally to a favorite fantasy: private utopia....

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Thiel isn't the only billionaire that wants a billionaires only utopia. When they say they want to disrupt things and make the world better, this is what they are actually talking about. A world were they are either completely isolated from us, or better yet a world in which we don't exist at all.

San Francisco billionaires have been snatching up land in California in a bid to build a new city. They aren't the first of the super rich who have attempted to build utopias.

Over the years, billionaires like Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and Larry Ellison have poured millions into building their own fiefdoms.

www.businessinsider.com

Billionaire-Backed Utopian City Planned in California - GreekReporter.com

An utopian city planned in California would tentatively house about 50,000 residents but could be built out to accommodate 400,000.

greekreporter.com

Now who else is it that keeps talking about Greenland and what does he keep saying about it? Libertarian is a euphemism for "the rich and powerful elites are free to do whatever they want and everyone else is free to do exactly what the rich and powerful elites tell them to do, while thanking them and praising them for the privilege of serving them.."

A Startup Linked to Peter Thiel Wants to Build the "Next Great City" in Greenland

Funded to the tune of $525 million, Praxis aims to “revitalize Western Civilization” through a techno-libertarian city upon a hill

www.insidehook.com

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

I’ll admit that this didn’t even occur to me that this would happen
============


As the Trump administration ramps up its crackdown on immigration, undocumented workers in the construction industry claim raids and arrests have emboldened some contractors to cut pay and increase hours.

Rogelio, a tile setter, works for various contractors in the the Tucson, Arizona region. He is undocumented, and did not provide his full name.

When Donald Trump returned to office in January, Rogelio said his employers cut their rates by 30% to 40%. Other laborers told him they had endured similar treatment.

“They decreased the pay by piece because they know most of the tile setters don’t have social security numbers, so they take advantage of that. We are in their hands,” Rogelio told the Guardian. “It’s more work, less pay. We have no choice right now.


“We’re struggling with bills. We’re struggling with food. We’re struggling with everything because we don’t get enough money to pay whatever we need to pay.”

Many of the undocumented immigrants Rogelio knows are only leaving home to work, Rogelio said. “We have a lot of fear,” he told the Guardian. “We look for news in the morning to see if we’re able to go to work or not.”

With around 2.9 million US construction workers – some 34% of the workforce – foreign-born, construction sector lobbyists have publicly urged the Trump administration to soften their hardline stance on immigration. “While the need for safe and secure borders is paramount, mass deportation is not the answer,” Buddy Hughes, chairman of the National Association of Home Builders, said in a statement.

Advocates for workers rights say some operators in the sector are using Trump’s crackdown to abuse undocumented workers.

“Especially in construction, there’re a lot of subcontractors that take advantage of this situation by not paying them the fair wage or not even paying them at all,” said Laura Becerra, movement politics director of the non-profit Workers Defense Project based in Texas.

Undocumented workers are unlikely to lodge an official complaint, she added. “Since people don’t want to say anything because they don’t want to be put on the radar, and they’re also getting retaliated against if they do say something.”……..

Undocumented builders face unchecked exploitation amid Trump raids: ‘It’s more work, less pay’

In a new series on undocumented workers, construction laborers tell the Guardian fear is fueling wage theft and workplace abuse

www.theguardian.com

Immigration policy has been used to covertly replace overt slave labor. A person who owns slaves has to pay something to feed and shelter them, just like they would with livestock and crops. They spend the bare minimum to keep the slaves just healthy enough to perform their tasks. Slaves are forcibly imprisoned.

Immigrant laborers are paid barely enough to buy just enough food and shelter to keep them just healthy enough to keep working. They are technically free to move about, but they aren't ever fully free in our society. The only difference between slave labor and immigrant labor is that employers of immigrants don't burden themselves with imprisoning their workforce. They know that the immigrants desperation to feed and shelter themselves and their families will keep them showing up to work every day, even when their wages are cut and their work hours extended.