Will “mass deportation” actually happen (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[TampaJoe]

Trump has no interest in a policy “that works best for us.” Principally because he has no idea what that is beyond rhetoric aimed at his base. And, once again, you ignore that YOUR party put together a bill with Democratic support that gave YOUR party the vast majority of what they wanted. Then YOUR party collapsed like a pile of invertebrates when Trump told Mike Johnson to not bring it to a vote. Go birch to YOUR party.

Okay. You sold me. I won’t vote for Trump. Never have. Never will.

I am interested in a policy that secures the border and addresses the migrant problem. So yeah, the Republicans should have at least considered the Langford bill. Shame on them. And yeah Biden gets credit for the cluster fork at the border for his first three years. He sat at the beach and did little to nothing for the first three years until it became apparent to him and the party you support that it was affecting them in the polls.

And it did.

 

[TampaJoe]

This is going to be great for Texas. I can't wait for all of the griping and moaning from the business class and minorities that voted for Trump once all this starts and the reality hits them in the face and the economy in this state starts to collapse and their families are broken up. And then watch as the Republican Talbin in this state tells them to go pound sand and take it, just like Mexico.



I have no idea how this plays out, but if Trump carries out his promises ........

Obviously that was the Dem objective all along. Open borders. They did away with remain in Mexico because they knew once the migrants were in country, it would be extremely difficult to deport them even if they lost their asylum casss. They had no intention of following the law.

 

[Scoutster]

Even NYT admits illegal immigration has been off the charts the last four years. Something has to be done to at least control the border. This is unsustainable.

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[SystemShock]

Well then Mexico has a decision to make and will need to be prepared to accept the consequences. I have a feeling the incoming POTUS will expect them to cooperate significantly on the border. He has already signalled that he is prepared to lean on them very hard to get what he wants.

My guess is that you will see a return to the previous “remain in Mexico” policy.

Lean on them very hard? LOL.

Trump bamboozled his Mexican version the first time around. Not that I am with MORENA, at all, but Claudia Sheinbaum has more balls than Lopez Obrador has. Of course, Trump will definitely claim he got all he demanded, like Mexico paying for a wall that never went up.

 

[SystemShock]

I guess that depends on your perspective when it comes to “bullying”. They are a neighbor and a trading partner. They need to cooperate on the border. If they won’t do that then perhaps they aren’t the neighbor or trading partner we think they are.

They have a choice to make. Choices have consequences.

Yep. The U.S. could lose its biggest trading partner, who could easily partner with China and don't miss a beat. As it is, Chinese investment in, and trading with Mexico has increased exponentially the last few years. Cars alone, I was surprised to learn there are 103 brands of Chinese vehicles in MX, and that the Chinese EV's are outselling U.S. EV's just about everywhere Chinese cars are sold.

At some point, this pseudo-tough guy routine needs to end. Wanna go back to the 1950's? Do smart business like in the 1950's, like the Biden administration which, without much fanfare, just worked out with Mexico slowing down trade with China, including EV's, no threats or bullying needed.

And for the record, if you have not seen my other posts, I want Mexico to tighten its border too, for Mexico's sake.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Obviously that was the Dem objective all along. Open borders. They did away with remain in Mexico because they knew once the migrants were in country, it would be extremely difficult to deport them even if they lost their asylum casss. They had no intention of following the law.

You're a liar. You have been repeatedly shown that this is a lie. Why can't you be honest?

 

[Texan1211]

Obviously that was the Dem objective all along. Open borders. They did away with remain in Mexico because they knew once the migrants were in country, it would be extremely difficult to deport them even if they lost their asylum casss. They had no intention of following the law.

Democrats seem to have been banking on getting as many here as possible as fast as possible, knowing that their sanctuaries will protect the illegal aliens whenever possible, even those who have been convicted of serious crimes. I mean, what type of American would give sanctuary illegally to illegal aliens?

 

[TampaJoe]

You're a liar. You have been repeatedly shown that this is a lie. Why can't you be honest?

That’s my honest opinion. It’s the honest opinion of millions of people. You can attempt to dismiss that all you want but the border and immigration policy was a major issue in the election. If you want proof, go look in just about every major metropolitan area and ask yourself where all these migrants came from that are straining our health care services, school systems, housing, police etc. Ask all these blue mayors and governors if illegal migration is a problem. It was a problem before but Biden made the problem much worse than any of his predecessors.

 

[Texan1211]

That’s my honest opinion. It’s the honest opinion of millions of people. You can attempt to dismiss that all you want but the border and immigration policy was a major issue in the election. If you want proof, go look in just about every major metropolitan area and ask yourself where all these migrants came from that are straining our health care services, school systems, housing, police etc. Ask all these blue mayors and governors if illegal migration is a problem. It was a problem before but Biden made the problem much worse than any of his predecessors.

The governors of Florida and Texas pulled off one the THE most brilliant political moves of our times by sending aliens to sanctuaries. It was the only thing that seemed to get the Biden Administration's attention regarding the border.

 

[Dragon]

The governors of Florida and Texas pulled off one the THE most brilliant political moves of our times by sending aliens to sanctuaries. It was the only thing that seemed to get the Biden Administration's attention regarding the border.

And broke the law at the same time they enriched themselves with that stunt. Big donors getting exhorbitant contracts to do so - state funds used illegally. But I guess you are ok with throwing government money at big donors?

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The connection between Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and the company involved in chartering flights to move migrants out of Texas and Florida is centered on Vertol Systems Company, Inc. This Florida-based aviation company received substantial payments from the state as part of DeSantis’ migrant relocation initiative. Vertol was paid $615,000 and $950,000 for these operations under Florida’s "relocation program for unauthorized aliens." Public records show these amounts exceeded typical charter flight costs, raising questions about how the funds were spent WLTX The Texas Tribune

The program was overseen by Larry Keefe, DeSantis’ public safety advisor, who previously represented Vertol Systems in legal matters. This connection highlights the close ties between DeSantis’ administration and the company contracted for these controversial flights
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[bird]

You voted for people who were willing to put a man clearly past his prime back in the Oval Office and lied to the public for two to three years about it. That’s a weasel maneuver and it clearly failed.

I vote for conservatives. Two things can be true at the same time Bird. You can be a conservative and not support Trump. Show me a conservative Dem and I will consider voting for them.

A man clearly past his prime? Hmmm, Republicans did the same thing.

The problem is that you support Trump’s policies. You refuse to admit that. There is literally nothing “conservative” about Trump, his policies or the Republican Party anymore.

My sense is that your have a few pet issues which you attempt to square with your support of Trump. Obviously the first is the border. Oddly enough with all your care about the border you don’t seem to care that your allegedly conservative Republican Party had an excellent opportunity to do something about the border with a bill that gave them the vast majority of what they wanted. A bill which Trump ordered be scuttled.

No, Joe, you are not conservative. You are Republican. I can say that you are Republican because I have never in multiple years of jousting with you heard you say what being conservative means, why you are conservative and why virtually nothing put forward by Democrats is ever acceptable to you.

 

[bird]

Okay. You sold me. I won’t vote for Trump. Never have. Never will.

I am interested in a policy that secures the border and addresses the migrant problem. So yeah, the Republicans should have at least considered the Langford bill. Shame on them. And yeah Biden gets credit for the cluster fork at the border for his first three years. He sat at the beach and did little to nothing for the first three years until it became apparent to him and the party you support that it was affecting them in the polls.

And it did.

No, there is no cluster fork at the border. That is a Republican lie.

But let’s look more closely. Republicans screeched about the border being open. What does that screeching say to people from Central America? It says the borders are open. Republican politicians only give a damn when it suits them. Btw, polls are arbitrarily horseschlitz. There are plenty of polls for policies which the “American people” overwhelming want and which Republicans don’t give a damn about. Which proves voters who support Republicans don’t care about what the people want. But let’s mush on.

Your not voting for Trump is irrelevant. You bleat that like it means something. It doesn’t. So stop acting like it imparts some moral superiority to you.

Beyond that? A simple, wimpy shame on them regarding killing their own bill? No, not good enough. Why not good enough? Because it shows the Republican Party to be moral cowards. They are not conservative. They are reactionary. And they are in thrall to Trump because expediency, not conservatism, drives their reactionary belief structure. That is also shone by their internal purges of those deemed insufficiently supportive of Trump.

 

[TampaJoe]

A man clearly past his prime? Hmmm, Republicans did the same thing.

The problem is that you support Trump’s policies. You refuse to admit that. There is literally nothing “conservative” about Trump, his policies or the Republican Party anymore.

My sense is that your have a few pet issues which you attempt to square with your support of Trump. Obviously the first is the border. Oddly enough with all your care about the border you don’t seem to care that your allegedly conservative Republican Party had an excellent opportunity to do something about the border with a bill that gave them the vast majority of what they wanted. A bill which Trump ordered be scuttled.

No, Joe, you are not conservative. You are Republican. I can say that you are Republican because I have never in multiple years of jousting with you heard you say what being conservative means, why you are conservative and why virtually nothing put forward by Democrats is ever acceptable to you.

I don’t have a problem with many Trump policies. I do have a problem with some of them and I do have a problem with the man himself. I said that prior to his announcing and entering the race in 2016. I have never voted for him. I don’t think he is the antichrist or the second coming of Hitler or a threat to democracy. I just happen to believe he is unfit for the job. So I didn’t vote for him. If what you say were true I would have. There are Republicans I wouldn’t vote for. Are there Democrats you wouldn’t vote for? Can you make that claim. I’m sure you were ready to put Biden back in office no matter how diminished and unfit he may have been to run. Correct me if I am wrong.

I have no issue whom anyone chooses to vote for. That’s their prerogative. It’s a personal choice. It’s their vote to spend as they choose. I realize not everyone thinks in lockstep and we all have different calculus when it comes to voting. I don’t blame Democrats who voted for Harris because they can’t stand Trump and I don’t blame folks who voted for Trump because they cant stand Biden/Harris. I try not to vote against people but rather to vote for someone instead. Sadly that’s been hard to do in the last several election cycles when it comes to POTUS. Hopefully we will have better choices next time around.

 

[Texan1211]

I try not to vote against people but rather to vote for someone instead.

Sure wish more folks saw the wisdom in that. Folks just voting against people got us some of the worst candidates ever.

 

[bird]

I don’t have a problem with many Trump policies. I do have a problem with some of them and I do have a problem with the man himself. I said that prior to his announcing and entering the race in 2016. I have never voted for him. I don’t think he is the antichrist or the second coming of Hitler or a threat to democracy. I just happen to believe he is unfit for the job. So I didn’t vote for him. If what you say were true I would have. There are Republicans I wouldn’t vote for. Are there Democrats you wouldn’t vote for? Can you make that claim. I’m sure you were ready to put Biden back in office no matter how diminished and unfit he may have been to run. Correct me if I am wrong.

I have no issue whom anyone chooses to vote for. That’s their prerogative. It’s a personal choice. It’s their vote to spend as they choose. I realize not everyone thinks in lockstep and we all have different calculus when it comes to voting. I don’t blame Democrats who voted for Harris because they can’t stand Trump and I don’t blame folks who voted for Trump because they cant stand Biden/Harris. I try not to vote against people but rather to vote for someone instead. Sadly that’s been hard to do in the last several election cycles when it comes to POTUS. Hopefully we will have better choices next time around.

I will make this simple for you. I. Don’t. Care. That. You. Didn’t. Vote. For. Trump.

Your vote is irrelevant. You support Trump because you support a gutless, craven, morally bankrupt party that supports him full throat. You vote for them. Those who don’t are cashiered.

 

[TampaJoe]

No, there is no cluster fork at the border. That is a Republican lie.

But let’s look more closely. Republicans screeched about the border being open. What does that screeching say to people from Central America? It says the borders are open. Republican politicians only give a damn when it suits them. Btw, polls are arbitrarily horseschlitz. There are plenty of polls for policies which the “American people” overwhelming want and which Republicans don’t give a damn about. Which proves voters who support Republicans don’t care about what the people want. But let’s mush on.

Your not voting for Trump is irrelevant. You bleat that like it means something. It doesn’t. So stop acting like it imparts some moral superiority to you.

Beyond that? A simple, wimpy shame on them regarding killing their own bill? No, not good enough. Why not good enough? Because it shows the Republican Party to be moral cowards. They are not conservative. They are reactionary. And they are in thrall to Trump because expediency, not conservatism, drives their reactionary belief structure. That is also shone by their internal purges of those deemed insufficiently supportive of Trump.

The most definitive poll came in Nov. According to exit polling immigration was top of the list of concerns. Dismiss it if you like. But all anyone has to do is turn on the news. City after city is struggling with migration problems. And these problems didn’t start in the fourth year of Biden’s term. So your argument that this is all on one party is BS. Your party stood by for three years along with your POTUS and watched this happen. They reversed existing policy which exacerbated the migrant problem two and threefold. They did so without a plan or solution in place for dealing with all these people. Why open the flood gates before you have a solution in place? Where is the wisdom in that.

My opinion. They didn’t care. They would just blame the problem on Trump. You’ve proven that here. They knew that once all these migrants set foot in this country, it would take years to work thru all these people asylum claims and that even if the court ruled against them, it would take years and billions of dollars to deport them. It was predicted before Biden took office. It wasn’t a surprise.

So if that was the plan ( and I believe it was), it backfired. And in my opinion, the responsible parties paid the price at the ballot box. So your candidate lost to a man that your party cast as the second coming of Hitler. Your candidate lost to a man your party attempted to cast as a threat and end to democracy. It may just be me but I believe your party has a policy and a messaging problem.

The pendulum swings both ways. This go round is swing to the Republicans. Next election it may go the other way. Whether that happens depends on whether Republicans over reach (and they might) and whether the Democrats find a message that works for folks in the center. The largest block of registered voters claim to be independents. IOW they don’t particularly care for either party. I think that’s where elections are won or lost.

 

[Texan1211]

The most definitive poll came in Nov. According to exit polling immigration was top of the list of concerns. Dismiss it if you like. But all anyone has to do is turn on the news. City after city is struggling with migration problems. And these problems didn’t start in the fourth year of Biden’s term. So your argument that this is all on one party is BS. Your party stood by for three years along with your POTUS and watched this happen. They reversed existing policy which exacerbated the migrant problem two and threefold. They did so without a plan or solution in place for dealing with all these people. Why open the flood gates before you have a solution in place? Where is the wisdom in that.

My opinion. They didn’t care. They would just blame the problem on Trump. You’ve proven that here. They knew that once all these migrants set foot in this country, it would take years to work thru all these people asylum claims and that even if the court ruled against them, it would take years and billions of dollars to deport them. It was predicted before Biden took office. It wasn’t a surprise.

So if that was the plan ( and I believe it was), it backfired. And in my opinion, the responsible parties paid the price at the ballot box. So your candidate lost to a man that your party cast as the second coming of Hitler. Your candidate lost to a man your party attempted to cast as a threat and end to democracy. It may just be me but I believe your party has a policy and a messaging problem.

The pendulum swings both ways. This go round is swing to the Republicans. Next election it may go the other way. Whether that happens depends on whether Republicans over reach (and they might) and whether the Democrats find a message that works for folks in the center. The largest block of registered voters claim to be independents. IOW they don’t particularly care for either party. I think that’s where elections are won or lost.

Democrats are still pretending Biden and Harris did well on the border. Most of America recognizes the colossal screw-up they perpetrated.

 

[TampaJoe]

I will make this simple for you. I. Don’t. Care. That. You. Didn’t. Vote. For. Trump.

Your vote is irrelevant. You support Trump because you support a gutless, craven, morally bankrupt party that supports him full throat. You vote for them. Those who don’t are cashiered.

Shouldn’t surprise you that I disagree and what you personally think of how I vote is just as irrelevant as my vote. Your vote isn’t going to make a difference. Neither is mine. You keep bringing it up and then claim it’s irrelevant. Makes no sense. It’s that simple.