Will “mass deportation” actually happen (6 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[DaveXA]

Yes. Lots of baseless, worthless opinions work that way. I can't comprehend the level of narcissism necessary to so confidently foist those opinions on others with he belief that they carry any weight at all, much less the same weight as thoughtful, well-reasoned opinions.

Now, that said, do you have any data to support your opinions regarding the border?

He doesn't, which is why he refused to answer Chuck's post. He's little more than a shill.

 

[TampaJoe]

Yes. Lots of baseless, worthless opinions work that way. I can't comprehend the level of narcissism necessary to so confidently foist those opinions on others with he belief that they carry any weight at all, much less the same weight as thoughtful, well-reasoned opinions.

Now, that said, do you have any data to support your opinions regarding the border?

Who is foisting anything on you? It’s an anonymous discussion board. Who is foisting? Is that what we are doing? I thought we were discussing. Exchanging ideas and opinions. Believe what you chose. Make up your own mind. I will do the same. If you feel you are being “foisted upon” you should deal with that.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Who is foisting anything on you? It’s an anonymous discussion board. Who is foisting? Is that what we are doing? I thought we were discussing. Exchanging ideas and opinions. Believe what you chose. Make up your own mind. I will do the same. If you feel you are being “foisted upon” you should deal with that.

You. You think it's an exchange of ideas and opinions as though they are all created equally. You've been given ample opportunity to support your opinions or to respond to others who have supported theirs, but so far you have avoided all such opportunities. Why is that? Do you believe that an opinion with zero evidence to support it carries the same weight as a position that is well-supported with facts and data?

 

[TampaJoe]

You. You think it's an exchange of ideas and opinions as though they are all created equally. You've been given ample opportunity to support your opinions or to respond to others who have supported theirs, but so far you have avoided all such opportunities. Why is that? Do you believe that an opinion with zero evidence to support it carries the same weight as a position that is well-supported with facts and data?

How much weight you give someone’s opinion and how you arrive at that number is entirely up to you.

The internet is full of facts and data. Just because you post something doesn’t mean is complete and accurate in all respects. Further multiple people can view the same facts and reach different conclusions. We all have differing perspectives.

I have no doubt you can produce articles, numbers and data that support your point of view. I haven’t asked you to furnish data. Similarly, I’m not testifying under oath nor am I writing a research paper for peer review. I’m simply giving you an opinion. Accept it if you like. Reject it if you like. It’s up to you. Whatever you choose is perfectly fine with me.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

How much weight you give someone’s opinion and how you arrive at that number is entirely up to you.

The internet is full of facts and data. Just because you post something doesn’t mean is complete and accurate in all respects. Further multiple people can view the same facts and reach different conclusions. We all have differing perspectives.

I have no doubt you can produce articles, numbers and data that support your point of view. I haven’t asked you to furnish data. Similarly, I’m not testifying under oath nor am I writing a research paper for peer review. I’m simply giving you an opinion. Accept it if you like. Reject it if you like. It’s up to you. Whatever you choose is perfectly fine with me.

Still nothing. If you choose to go through life believing utter bullshirt and lies, that's on you. I just think it's pathetic that someone would be so lazy that they would rather believe demonstrable lies than show a modicum of interest in the truth.

 

[TampaJoe]

Still nothing. If you choose to go through life believing utter bullshirt and lies, that's on you. I just think it's pathetic that someone would be so lazy that they would rather believe demonstrable lies than show a modicum of interest in the truth.

I appreciate your concern but you should ask yourself the same question.

 

[MT15]

I appreciate your concern but you should ask yourself the same question.

It’s not mentally healthy to think there are no facts - to deny reality. It’s just not.

This idea that nobody knows anything and you can believe whatever you want to believe and it has the same value as the actual truth will be the downfall of this country.

I am just gobsmacked that we got to this place during a few decades.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I appreciate your concern but you should ask yourself the same question.

I have a rule in my life where I believe things that are true and disbelieve things that are false. Anything I believe and any opinion I hold can be supported with facts. In the course of a discussion like this, I am more than happy to provide evidence that supports my position. When given multiple chances, you failed to do so. That's what is so sad about you, that you decided at some point that intellectual laziness and dishonesty would be the path you chose.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Leaders in the construction business, including Republicans, are worried that Donald Trump’s plans to carry out a mass deportation of undocumented immigrants will crater their industry, given its reliance on migrant workers.

“We will absolutely have a labor shortage,” developer George Fuller, mayor of McKinney Texas, a Dallas suburb that’s undergone a construction boom in recent years, toldThe Wall Street Journal. “Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, these industries depend on immigrant labor.”

Builders are praying they don’t get hit with the kind of dramatic workplace raids the Trump administration has talked about reinstating, Stan Marek, CEO of a Houston interior contracting company, added in an interview with the paper. These businesses are “putting their heads down and hoping like hell it doesn’t happen,” he said.

Studies suggest roughly one-third of U.S. construction workers are foreign-born, and that undocumented workers make up some 13 percent of the overall construction business.

That share of workers is likely even higher in states like Texas, a border state that both has an in-demand construction industry and a worker shortage in building trades. The state has the highest level of unauthorized workers in construction in the country, according to the Migration Policy Institute.……

Construction industry ‘hoping like hell’ Trump won’t crack down on undocumented labor

Construction industry features large share of undocumented people, especially in post-Covid economic recovery

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Optimus Prime]

One sunny afternoon in February, a large group of plainclothes federal agents descended on Los Angeles’s La Placita Park, a sanctuary and bustling cultural hub for the city’s growing Mexican diaspora.

Wielding guns and batons, they barricaded the park and demanded proof of citizenship or legal residency from the congregants trapped within.

Those who failed to produce papers were arrested. More than 400 people were detained and forced on a train back to Mexico, a place many had never been.

It’s a scene many fear will come to pass in president-elect Donald Trump’s second term, especially after he doubled down on a campaign promise to “launch the largest deportation operation” in US history, and confirmed he would use the military to execute hardline immigration policies.


But this particular episode happened in 1931, as part of an earlier era of mass deportations that scholars say is reminiscent of what is unfolding today.

The La Placita sweep became the first public immigration raid in Los Angeles, and one of the largest in a wave of “repatriation drives” that rolled across the country during the Great Depression.

Mexican farm workers, indiscriminately deemed “illegal aliens”, became scapegoats for job shortages and shrinking public benefits. President Herbert Hoover’s provocative slogan, “American jobs for real Americans”, kicked off a spate of local legislation banning employment of anyone of Mexican descent.

Police descended on workplaces, parks, hospitals and social clubs, arresting and dumping people across the border in trains and buses.

Nearly 2 million Mexican Americans, more than half US citizens, were deported without due process. Families were torn apart, and many children never again saw their deported parents.

Hoover’s Mexican repatriation program is, among mass deportation efforts in the past, most similar to Trump’s stated plans, said Kevin R Johnson, a professor of public interest law and Chicana/o studies at the University of California, Davis, School of Law.

“This was a kind of ethnic cleansing, an effort to remove Mexicans from parts of the country,” Johnson said. “This episode had a ripple effect that lasted generations, and a long-term impact on the sense of identity on persons of Mexican ancestry.”………

Millions of Mexican Americans were deported in the 1930s. Are we about to repeat this ‘ethnic cleansing’?

Nearly 2 million Mexican Americans, more than half US citizens, were deported without due process during the Great Depression, reminiscent of what is unfolding today

www.theguardian.com

 

[TampaJoe]

Still nothing. If you choose to go through life believing utter bullshirt and lies, that's on you. I just think it's pathetic that someone would be so lazy that they would rather believe demonstrable lies than show a modicum of interest in the truth.

I appreciate your concern but you should ask yourself the same question.

It’s not mentally healthy to think there are no facts - to deny reality. It’s just not.

This idea that nobody knows anything and you can believe whatever you want to believe and it has the same value as the actual truth will be the downfall of this country.

I am just gobsmacked that we got to this place during a few decades.

Who said nobody knows anything? The fact is that we all view the world differently. We all have different experiences. Different perspectives. I’m a conservative. You appear to be a liberal. To think that everyone needs to agree on everything isn’t healthy either.

You are welcome to your opinion. I haven’t asked for or questioned your facts. I assume you can to your opinion honestly. As I said before, I thought this was a discussion. We aren’t in court testifying under oath. We are simply discussing the issues of the day.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I appreciate your concern but you should ask yourself the same question.

Who said nobody knows anything? The fact is that we all view the world differently. We all have different experiences. Different perspectives. I’m a conservative. You appear to be a liberal. To think that everyone needs to agree on everything isn’t healthy either.

You are welcome to your opinion. I haven’t asked for or questioned your facts. I assume you can to your opinion honestly. As I said before, I thought this was a discussion. We aren’t in court testifying under oath. We are simply discussing the issues of the day.

When people discuss things in a setting like this, offering opinions without supporting evidence and ignoring the evidence provided by posters you are otherwise engaged with is intellectually dishonest. Then again, I don't think we should suspect anything else from a grown adult who uses "I know you are but what am I" as an argument.

 

[TampaJoe]

When people discuss things in a setting like this, offering opinions without supporting evidence and ignoring the evidence provided by posters you are otherwise engaged with is intellectually dishonest. Then again, I don't think we should suspect anything else from a grown adult who uses "I know you are but what am I" as an argument.

Feel free to ignore anytime you like. My feelings won’t be hurt.

 

[RobF]

When people discuss things in a setting like this, offering opinions without supporting evidence and ignoring the evidence provided by posters you are otherwise engaged with is intellectually dishonest. Then again, I don't think we should suspect anything else from a grown adult who uses "I know you are but what am I" as an argument.

Starting to feel like you're the man in Monty Python's argument sketch here.

"An argument isn't just contradiction." "Well, it can be!"
"No it can't! An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition." "No it isn't!"

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Feel free to ignore anytime you like. My feelings won’t be hurt.

Ignore you like you ignore reality, you mean.

 

[Lapaz]

Yes and for 3 years since taking office they did little to nothing. You think you’re bringing up Trumps behavior in year 4 of Biden’s term that excuses knowingly opening the border to millions in his first three years. As we say in the south, that dawg doesn’t hunt. Biden didn’t want the problem solved until he figured out his poll numbers were suffering. Then he “cared”.

They knew how difficult it would be to locate and deport the millions of people who wouldn’t qualify for asylum. They didn’t care. That was the plan all along. He opened the door. He stood by and watched from his beach chair while it all happened. It’s on him and the voters held him and his administration to account.

Do you think Biden should break asylum laws? The law should be changed to make it harder to receive temporary asylum, because it is a loophole. Mass deportation will result in travesties of Justice. Biden wanted things to be done correctly. His main mistake was expecting congress to act in the interest of the nation, because Republicans only act in the interest of Trump.

 

[TampaJoe]

Do you think Biden should break asylum laws? The law should be changed to make it harder to receive temporary asylum, because it is a loophole. Mass deportation will result in travesties of Justice. Biden wanted things to be done correctly. His main mistake was expecting congress to act in the interest of the nation, because Republicans only act in the interest of Trump.

The smart thing to would have been to continue the “remain in Mexico” policy. That was working. You don’t have to deport migrants who don’t qualify for asylum if you don’t let them into the country to begin with. But that was a Trump policy don’t had to go if for no other reason than it was a Trump policy. Never miss an opportunity to cut your nose off to spite your face.

His main mistake was to reverse policies that were working prior to getting more effective policies in place. He assumed if he created a crisis that Congress would do as he wanted. It wasn’t about the interest of the nation. It was all power politics. How was it in the interest of the nation to let all those folks into the nation without a plan to assimilate them? Being reckless is not in the best interest of the nation. He paid a price for that at the polls as he should have.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Leave it to Fox News to somehow find a way to shoehorn the topic of illegal immigration and “migrant crime” into breaking coverage of the “brazen” murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, who authorities say was “specifically targeted” outside of a New York City hotel on Wednesday.

Moderating a panel discussion about the shocking attack, which took place early in the morning outside the New York Midtown Hilton, Fox News anchor Harris Faulkner referenced a recent New York Post story about the number of “illegal migrants” in NYC who have criminal records.

While acknowledging that law enforcement hasn’t linked immigration to Thompson’s murder, Faulkner asserted that it was still a relevant topic because the sheer number of “migrant criminals” in the city is bogging down the New York Police Department.

“You know, I want to use this as a backdrop. Not only do we have tourists here, we recently found out the last day or so we have 58,000 known criminals who crossed our border illegally,” she breathlessly stated. “Not that there would be any connection, naturally, with this but it makes the work harder for the NYPD because they are already dealing with the rampant crime uptick from those individuals who broke our first law coming here illegally.”

After retired NYPD officer Darrin Porcher agreed that the “migrant crisis” has “dilapidated the quality of life” in New York, Faulkner added that “just in terms of fighting crime it makes it hard.” Saying that nearly 60,000 people in the city “intend to live a life of crime” now that they’ve migrated to the United States, Faulkner claimed that it made the police’s job of “locking down a crime scene” much more difficult.

“New York City is a sanctuary city,” Fox News contributor Leo Terrell noted. “Question mark — this guy had a mask on. Question mark — as far as cooperation that is gonna take place involving this individual. We don’t know his ethnicity. We don’t know his legal status.”

With the manhunt for the suspect underway, and police stating that the alleged gunman appears to be a light-skinned male who used a silenced firearm and fled the scene on a bicycle, the right-wing network’s hosts and commentators continued to invoke the “migrant crisis” while discussing the shooting...........

Fox News finds a way to tie UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting to ‘migrant crisis’

While Harris Faulkner acknowledged that there is no connection to migrants and the shooting of the chief executive, she said their presence in the city made it more difficult for police to do their job because “these are the bad guys.”

www.independent.co.uk