Will “mass deportation” actually happen (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Texas Governor Greg Abbott has threatened a children’s hospital with “consequences” after a doctor posted a viral TikTok telling patients they’re not legally obligated to tell a hospital their citizenship status.

On November 1, a new executive order went into effect requiring Texas hospitals that accept Medicaid or Children’s Health Insurance Plan to ask patients if they’re US citizens. The question now appears on intake forms at hospitals across the state, the San Antonio Express-News reports.

Dr. Tony Pastor, a cardiologist at Texas Children’s Hospital and assistant professor at Baylor College of Medicine, went on to post a TikTok on November 11 telling patients they’re not obligated to answer the question. The video went viral, garnering more than one million views.

As a result, the Republican governor said on Wednesday the hospital’s state funding could be at risk.

“Hey Texas Children’s Hospital & Baylor College of Medicine this doctor is putting your Medicaid & Medicare funding at risk,” Abbott wrote on X, sharing a link to an Express-News article that reports on Pastor’s video.…….

Texas governor threatens to pull children’s hospital funding over doctor’s viral post

Texas hospitals that take Medicaid must ask patients if they’re US citizens

www.independent.co.uk

 

[DaveXA]

Exactly like his first term isn’t it? Empty promises, nothing actually happens.

One can only hope nothing happens.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[bird]

One can only hope nothing happens.

It is telling that our hopeful best result is that he doesn’t fork anything up.

 

[TampaJoe]

You’re all missing the point - the issue isn’t whether mass deportation would look exactly like the Holocaust, and so you point out the absolute human atrocity to say “Come on man this isn't that!" I can only come to the conclusion that you're being intentionally dense here not to realize what this program will look like . . . what it HAS to look like.

Trump and the mass deportation advocates are targeting the removal of many, many millions of people from America. The most common number you see is between 8 million and 12 million, although Trump has said it can be as high as 20 million. Currently the US processes between about 350,000 deportations per year - and a large number of those are processed at or near the border, where the US immigration resources are concentrated.

If Trump were to attempt to deport the low end of the estimate - 8 million - during his term, you're talking about 2 million people each year. This is almost SIX times the current average. And because the program is going to focus on the interior of the country, it's going to require a realignment and redeployment of immigration agents throughout the country. Trump has said that he would deputize local authorities and certainly in many places they will be happy to help.

So in order to accomplish this very clearly described program, large numbers of federal and deputized local agents will be deployed into the interior with the mission of identifying and arresting illegals. Local jails and courts will be unable to handle these numbers - many are already at capacity on a day to day basis, and this program will see a large, new number of people needing to be processed. So they will have to be transported to detention centers to await their disposition, which will take some time. You cannot avoid this process.

And it's wildly foolish not realize that these newly deployed agents and local deputies will have to make arbitrary decisions about whether a given person has adequately shown enough proof of citizenship to avoid arrest - and certainly mistakes will be made. Identifying these large numbers will require investigations, relying at times on community informants and other local information. Some of the people will be in households where some of the people are undocumented/illegal and others are not. Many of the millions will be children. Many of the millions will be thinking they are going to a country they left when they were children and don't know at all.

There is no way to accomplish the kinds of numbers they're talking about without a massive new, institutionalized program. No, it will almost certainly not lead to the kind of mass arbitrary atrocity we saw with the Holocaust but that was never my point. My point is that if you start from the beginning - the identification of a target group with millions of people (there were about 6 million to 8 million Jews in Europe in 1930, so the numbers are similar) who must be arrested, transported, and ultimately permanently removed, there is no way for the US to accomplish this without a system that is very similar, in a modern way, to how the Holocaust was accomplished, as a matter of the resources and administration it will require. Most European Jews in the holocaust weren’t killed by local thugs and SS agents - they were arrested, detained, processed and sent to camps. It was an institutionalized system with massive government resources.

You haven't rebutted this in any way - you haven't described how it won't be this way. My point is either that (1) it will be this way because it has to be in order to get those kinds of numbers of people deported, or (2) it won't be this way because its' far too ambitious and impractical of a program . . . in other words "Build the Wall 2.0".

The sad thing is that the Biden administration KNEW how difficult it would be to deport millions of people and they dropped any meaningful effort to control our borders and allowed this influx of migrants to happen anyway. The notion that the border was secure and controlled was just plain crap. This is on them. 100 percent.

I don’t know what deportations will look like. I don’t know if the citizenry will have the stomach for it. But if I’m going to blame anyone it will be the administration that allowed it to happen and did little to nothing to stop it. This was all planned IMO.

 

[bird]

The sad thing is that the Biden administration KNEW how difficult it would be to deport millions of people and they dropped any meaningful effort to control our borders and allowed this influx of migrants to happen anyway. The notion that the border was secure and controlled was just plain crap. This is on them. 100 percent.

I don’t know what deportations will look like. I don’t know if the citizenry will have the stomach for it. But if I’m going to blame anyone it will be the administration that allowed it to happen and did little to nothing to stop it. This was all planned IMO.

No, they didn’t drop efforts to “control” the border. Deportations are high.

Republicans put the nix to ther bipartisan border bill because Trump told them to do so.

Beyond that? Without cooperation throughout Central America to address social stresses in those countries any bullschlitz about closing the border will be just that, bullschlitz. Trump’s arrogant, stupid, inflammatory rhetoric to the contrary this problem is not easily dealt with. It has issues that are complicated and issues that are complex. Trump and his morons have no concept of how to deal with either one.

 

[Dragon]

The sad thing is that the Biden administration KNEW how difficult it would be to deport millions of people and they dropped any meaningful effort to control our borders and allowed this influx of migrants to happen anyway. The notion that the border was secure and controlled was just plain crap. This is on them. 100 percent.

I don’t know what deportations will look like. I don’t know if the citizenry will have the stomach for it. But if I’m going to blame anyone it will be the administration that allowed it to happen and did little to nothing to stop it. This was all planned IMO.

Trump was the one who forced Republicans to vote against their own bill, a bill that gave them everything they claimed to want. Even Biden had promised to vote for it! Stop spreading lies.

The bill included funding for additional border agents and improved equipment to detect hidden items like drugs. It also provided resources for detention centers to hold individuals while their claims were processed and funding for expedited processing to ensure that those without valid claims could be deported in weeks instead of years.

But Trump didn’t want the problem solved—he used the issue as a political boogeyman to win the election.

 

[superchuck500]

The sad thing is that the Biden administration KNEW how difficult it would be to deport millions of people and they dropped any meaningful effort to control our borders and allowed this influx of migrants to happen anyway. The notion that the border was secure and controlled was just plain crap. This is on them. 100 percent.

I don’t know what deportations will look like. I don’t know if the citizenry will have the stomach for it. But if I’m going to blame anyone it will be the administration that allowed it to happen and did little to nothing to stop it. This was all planned IMO.

What's "on them"? Allowed what "to happen"?

Please show your work.

 

[MT15]

The sad thing is that the Biden administration KNEW how difficult it would be to deport millions of people and they dropped any meaningful effort to control our borders

This is simply untrue. Deportations have never ceased under Biden. Quit saying this stuff that isn’t true. You should know better. You’re veering into MAGA conspiracy theory territory with this post.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Donald Trump’s plan to immediately carry out the largest deportation operation in U.S. history upon taking office is banking on a key ally: conservative sheriffs.

There are some 6,000 federal immigration agents in the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE), but the incoming administration is counting on sympathetic local law enforcement to be its eyes and ears in communities and jails across the country.

While police chiefs are appointed, sheriffs are often elected and excercise broad powers, including running county jail systems. Many right-leaning sheriffs, whose own partisan politics align with new administration’s, are eager to join forces.

“I’m willing to support the president 100%,” Chuck Jenkins, the Republican sheriff of Maryland’s Frederick County, recently toldThe Wall Street Journal. “I want to do more, within the law.”

“We’re going to be in the business again,” another sheriff, Richard Jones of Butler County, Ohio, told the paper.

Trump is also likely to get support from the insurgent “constitutional sheriff” movement, a growing trend of local, often right-wing, sheriffs who believe they are the final word on what’s legal and constitutional in their jurisdictions — even if state or federal laws or Supreme Court decisions say otherwise. Such sheriffs have been key proponents of Trump’s election denial claims and flouted Covid restrictions during the height of the pandemic.……..

Local sheriffs are preparing to help Trump carry out his mass deportation plans

Local sheriffs could help ICE find and detain migrants, raising alarms from civil rights advocates

www.independent.co.uk

 

[TampaJoe]

Trump was the one who forced Republicans to vote against their own bill, a bill that gave them everything they claimed to want. Even Biden had promised to vote for it! Stop spreading lies.

The bill included funding for additional border agents and improved equipment to detect hidden items like drugs. It also provided resources for detention centers to hold individuals while their claims were processed and funding for expedited processing to ensure that those without valid claims could be deported in weeks instead of years.

But Trump didn’t want the problem solved—he used the issue as a political boogeyman to win the election.

Yes and for 3 years since taking office they did little to nothing. You think you’re bringing up Trumps behavior in year 4 of Biden’s term that excuses knowingly opening the border to millions in his first three years. As we say in the south, that dawg doesn’t hunt. Biden didn’t want the problem solved until he figured out his poll numbers were suffering. Then he “cared”.

They knew how difficult it would be to locate and deport the millions of people who wouldn’t qualify for asylum. They didn’t care. That was the plan all along. He opened the door. He stood by and watched from his beach chair while it all happened. It’s on him and the voters held him and his administration to account.

 

[Dragon]

Yes and for 3 years since taking office they did little to nothing. You think you’re bringing up Trumps behavior in year 4 of Biden’s term that excuses knowingly opening the border to millions in his first three years. As we say in the south, that dawg doesn’t hunt. Biden didn’t want the problem solved until he figured out his poll numbers were suffering. Then he “cared”.

They knew how difficult it would be to locate and deport the millions of people who wouldn’t qualify for asylum. They didn’t care. That was the plan all along. He opened the door. He stood by and watched from his beach chair while it all happened. It’s on him and the voters held him and his administration to account.

Actually Biden did not open the border. The LAW not Biden allowed asylum seekers to get their claims processed and the house controlled the purse string. Biden never had the majority in both houses and funding for border security and expedited processing are controlled by the house. You are again repeating MAGA lies. The issue would have been resolved a year ago except for Trumps actions. So why don't you blame him ?

 

[TampaJoe]

Actually Biden did not open the border. The LAW not Biden allowed asylum seekers to get their claims processed and the house controlled the purse string. Biden never had the majority in both houses and funding for border security and expedited processing are controlled by the house. You are again repeating MAGA lies. The issue would have been resolved a year ago except for Trumps actions. So why don't you blame him ?

Biden reversed, by executive order, existing policy which made the problem two to three times worse than it was with any of his predecessors. That’s no lie. He reversed those policies without a solution in place. That’s no lie. He did nothing for three years until he figured out that it was adversely affecting his reelection poll numbers. That’s an opinion. It affected the 2024 election. That’s also an opinion.

 

[J-DONK]

Biden reversed, by executive order, existing policy which made the problem two to three times worse than it was with any of his predecessors. That’s no lie. He reversed those policies without a solution in place. That’s no lie. He did nothing for three years until he figured out that it was adversely affecting his reelection poll numbers. That’s an opinion. It affected the 2024 election. That’s also an opinion.

Are you comparing title 42 vs what came after covid or something?

 

[Dragon]

Biden reversed, by executive order, existing policy which made the problem two to three times worse than it was with any of his predecessors. That’s no lie. He reversed those policies without a solution in place. That’s no lie. He did nothing for three years until he figured out that it was adversely affecting his reelection poll numbers. That’s an opinion. It affected the 2024 election. That’s also an opinion.

Maybe you should invest a bit of time to educate yourself a bit about Title 42 - its lawfull background and limitations

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/title-42-autopsy

 

[MT15]

Biden’s term that excuses knowingly opening the border to millions

Quit saying stuff that isn’t true. Biden never “opened the border” no matter how many times you say so. It’s just a MAGA/GOP talking point that you are parroting.

 

[TampaJoe]

Quit saying stuff that isn’t true. Biden never “opened the border” no matter how many times you say so. It’s just a MAGA/GOP talking point that you are parroting.

Sure he did. You don’t want to admit it but that’s exactly what he did.

 

[t_rav_82]

Maybe you should invest a bit of time to educate yourself a bit about Title 42 - its lawfull background and limitations

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/title-42-autopsy

A bit?