Will “mass deportation” actually happen (6 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[DaveXA]

Sure he did. You don’t want to admit it but that’s exactly what he did.

You can continue living in fantasy MAGA land if you want, but it's pretty clear where your loyalty lies. Don't pee on people and tell them it's raining. That's just rude.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Sure he did. You don’t want to admit it but that’s exactly what he did.

How was the border closed and what did Biden do to "open" it?

 

[superchuck500]

Biden reversed, by executive order, existing policy which made the problem two to three times worse than it was with any of his predecessors. That’s no lie. He reversed those policies without a solution in place. That’s no lie. He did nothing for three years until he figured out that it was adversely affecting his reelection poll numbers. That’s an opinion. It affected the 2024 election. That’s also an opinion.

You keep saying these things without any support or evidence. Can you provide some data or something to back up these extreme allegations? Because I'm looking at the data and I think your statements are pure bunk - please show me where I'm wrong.

The 1.1 million deportations since the beginning of fiscal year (FY) 2021 through February 2024 (the most recent data available) are on pace to match the 1.5 million deportations carried out during the four years President Donald Trump was in office. These deportations are in addition to the 3 million expulsions of migrants crossing the border irregularly that occurred under the pandemic-era Title 42 order between March 2020 and May 2023—the vast majority of which occurred under the Biden administration. Combining deportations with expulsions and other actions to block migrants without permission to enter the United States, the Biden administration’s nearly 4.4 million repatriations are already more than any single presidential term since the George W. Bush administration (5 million in its second term).

In the 12 months after Title 42 ended, the Biden administration ramped up deportations under the standard U.S. immigration framework, Title 8, and removed or returned 775,000 unauthorized migrants—more than in any previous fiscal year since 2010.

Please show me on the chart (you can put an arrow on it or just use words to explain) where Biden policy "made the problem two or three times worse"? )Note that the article is from June 2024, so the '24 data are incomplete).

The Biden Administration Is on Pace to Match Trump Deportation Numbers—Focusing on the Border, Not the U.S. Interior

The Biden administration is on pace to carry out as many deportations as the Trump administration, although an overwhelming number have come in the form of voluntary returns at the border, rather than removals of unauthorized immigrants from the U.S. interior. This shift has echoes of earlier...

www.migrationpolicy.org

 

[TampaJoe]

You can continue living in fantasy MAGA land if you want, but it's pretty clear where your loyalty lies. Don't pee on people and tell them it's raining. That's just rude.

Yeah I don’t happen to agree with your assessment on this administrations border policies or the lack thereof. You can call that whatever you want. It’s reality IMV. So you can take the Biden and Mayorkas safe and secure border BS and try to explain that to all the mayors and governors nationwide who are having to deal with the real world problems caused by uncontrolled borders and uncontrolled migration.

We just had an election where this was an issue. A major issue. The electorate didn’t buy it. Neither do I. I am loyal to neither party. I just happen to know when and who is doing the “peeing”.

 

[TampaJoe]

How was the border closed and what did Biden do to "open" it?

I don’t believe I ever said the border was closed. I believe that statement came from the administration. They claimed it was “closed” and “secure”. What we do know is the record numbers of encounters we have been experiencing at the border and the record numbers of “got aways” at the border. Numbers that are multiples higher than any of Biden’s predecessors. So Biden took a problem and reversed policies that were keeping migrants in Mexico pending their asylum hearings and instead allowed millions of undocumented migrants into this country giving them additional rights they wouldn’t have had otherwise. He did so knowing that the legal and logistical processes to remove them if they didn’t qualify for asylum or failed to appear for their hearings would be a long and costly process. This was all predicted prior to his taking office. But he exercised his executive authority and ignored common sense and didn’t anyway.

But it blew up on him when he figured out that most folks living legally in this country don’t want open borders. And when it started to hurt him at the polls. All these migrants had to be housed and fed and clothed and educated. That cost money and while he was sittting on his arse at the beach, local mayors and governors and school systems and hospitals were having to deal with the consequences.

So he and his party paid a price for bad policy. The voters were quite clear on how they felt about his performance in the border.

 

[coldseat]

Omg......

 

[coldseat]

I don’t believe I ever said the border was closed. I believe that statement came from the administration. They claimed it was “closed” and “secure”. What we do know is the record numbers of encounters we have been experiencing at the border and the record numbers of “got aways” at the border. Numbers that are multiples higher than any of Biden’s predecessors. So Biden took a problem and reversed policies that were keeping migrants in Mexico pending their asylum hearings and instead allowed millions of undocumented migrants into this country giving them additional rights they wouldn’t have had otherwise. He did so knowing that the legal and logistical processes to remove them if they didn’t qualify for asylum or failed to appear for their hearings would be a long and costly process. This was all predicted prior to his taking office. But he exercised his executive authority and ignored common sense and didn’t anyway.

Most of those policies where COVID era polices that were going to end no matter what. They where backed by policy recommendations from the CDC. Once the COVID emergency ended, most of those policies were logically going to end as well. In some cases, the courts forced the government to end those policies. Biden actually got a lot of flack from the left wing for hanging on to those policies as long as he did. If you weren't so mired in right wing political media coverage, you may have heard about some of that.

Additionally, your statement that record number of encounters means a record number of "got aways" isn't necessarily consistent. I'd be skeptical of anybody knowing specifically how many "got aways" there are. A record number of encounter could just mean that the CBP had better process in place to stop migrants at the border and put them in the system to process.

What was all predicted is the same toxic BS that republicans have been spuing for years to get you all worked up about immigration. It works which is why they do it. But they won't do anything to solve the problems. You'd think that after so many years, they'd actually get busy doing something, but voters like yourself complaining about it keep giving them a pass, so expect the same thing going forward.

But it blew up on him when he figured out that most folks living legally in this country don’t want open borders. And when it started to hurt him at the polls. All these migrants had to be housed and fed and clothed and educated. That cost money and while he was sittting on his arse at the beach, local mayors and governors and school systems and hospitals were having to deal with the consequences.

So he and his party paid a price for bad policy. The voters were quite clear on how they felt about his performance in the border.

It wasn't Democrats policies that had migrants coming to the US in record numbers after COVID. It was the result of all of the COVID aftermath and the fact that the US's economy recovered faster than anybody else's around the world and had a lot of opening for jobs. That was a major pull factor that Biden had to deal with. Maybe he was a little slow to act on it, but it's not like he had a bunch of other things to worry about at the beginning of his administration ... .

What were Republican's doing? Oh yeah, making everything harder for Biden instead of working to solve problems. The Americans lacking critical thinking rewarded them for it. Congratulations!

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

This is kind of one of those things where the politics of the situation, outstrip the realities.

There was a surge of border crossings early in Biden's presidency. And he did undo Trump's executive orders (i think his orders were illegal or just wrong, but they were aimed at slowing down border crossings). He also made comments that can reasonably be interpreted as more welcoming of asylum seekers (saying that the US could absorb 2 million asylum seekers). It's not unreasonable to assume that some people were motivate to try to exploit the asylum law provision.

However, the US economic recovery was certainly a factor in more people wanting to come here.

Biden also proposed on day 1 a border reform bill that would have improved processing of asylum seekers.

The US has never had an open border, and Biden has been on pace to meet or exceed Trump's deportation record. So, that's all stupid rhetoric.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I don’t believe I ever said the border was closed. I believe that statement came from the administration. They claimed it was “closed” and “secure”. What we do know is the record numbers of encounters we have been experiencing at the border and the record numbers of “got aways” at the border. Numbers that are multiples higher than any of Biden’s predecessors. So Biden took a problem and reversed policies that were keeping migrants in Mexico pending their asylum hearings and instead allowed millions of undocumented migrants into this country giving them additional rights they wouldn’t have had otherwise. He did so knowing that the legal and logistical processes to remove them if they didn’t qualify for asylum or failed to appear for their hearings would be a long and costly process. This was all predicted prior to his taking office. But he exercised his executive authority and ignored common sense and didn’t anyway.

But it blew up on him when he figured out that most folks living legally in this country don’t want open borders. And when it started to hurt him at the polls. All these migrants had to be housed and fed and clothed and educated. That cost money and while he was sittting on his arse at the beach, local mayors and governors and school systems and hospitals were having to deal with the consequences.

So he and his party paid a price for bad policy. The voters were quite clear on how they felt about his performance in the border.

You said he opened it. You can't open something unless it's closed. Everything else you said is baseless, worthless opinion.

 

[TampaJoe]

You said he opened it. You can't open something unless it's closed. Everything else you said is baseless, worthless opinion.

Yeah. You can open a cracked door. Done it many times myself. But you are welcome to think whatever you choose. I will do the same.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Yeah. You can open a cracked door. Done it many times myself. But you are welcome to think whatever you choose. I will do the same.

The problem is you think things that are baseless and want to give those baseless thoughts the same weight as someone using facts and reality.

 

[TampaJoe]

The problem is you think things that are baseless and want to give those baseless thoughts the same weight as someone using facts and reality.

Baseless to you maybe. That’s okay. You should tell all those blue state mayors and governors that are complaining about migrants about your facts and reality.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Baseless to you maybe. That’s okay. You should tell all those blue state mayors and governors that are complaining about migrants about your facts and reality.

You've had ample opportunity to support your position, yet you haven't. Therefore, it's baseless to all as you have provided no base.

 

[TampaJoe]

You've had ample opportunity to support your position, yet you haven't. Therefore, it's baseless to all as you have provided no base.

Lots of opinions work that way. I’m not impressed by you either. I’m sure we are both crushed.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Lots of opinions work that way. I’m not impressed by you either. I’m sure we are both crushed.

Yes. Lots of baseless, worthless opinions work that way. I can't comprehend the level of narcissism necessary to so confidently foist those opinions on others with he belief that they carry any weight at all, much less the same weight as thoughtful, well-reasoned opinions.

Now, that said, do you have any data to support your opinions regarding the border?

 

[MT15]

You keep saying these things without any support or evidence. Can you provide some data or something to back up these extreme allegations? Because I'm looking at the data and I think your statements are pure bunk - please show me where I'm wrong.





Please show me on the chart (you can put an arrow on it or just use words to explain) where Biden policy "made the problem two or three times worse"? )Note that the article is from June 2024, so the '24 data are incomplete).

The Biden Administration Is on Pace to Match Trump Deportation Numbers—Focusing on the Border, Not the U.S. Interior

The Biden administration is on pace to carry out as many deportations as the Trump administration, although an overwhelming number have come in the form of voluntary returns at the border, rather than removals of unauthorized immigrants from the U.S. interior. This shift has echoes of earlier...

www.migrationpolicy.org

The fact that this post was completely ignored by Joe tells us everything we need to know about him. He won’t post any proof for what he says, and he ignores when people show him actual data. He just wants to believe the GOP spin - he wants his own reality. He isn’t interested in facts. At all. If that’s not MAGA, I don’t know what is.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The problem is you think things that are baseless and want to give those baseless thoughts the same weight as someone using facts and reality.

 

[Optimus Prime]

This is going to happen again, and Stephen Miller, MAGA etc. can't wait

I've heard that up to 1500 children are still separated from their families

And sad to say, but if those kids grow up hating America I'd be like, "yeah I get it"