Trump Election Interference / Falsification of Business Records Criminal Trial (Trump guilty on all 34 Counts) (1 Viewer)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

What will happen now that former President Donald Trump was found guilty (in 34 counts) by the jury?
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Speculation on the judge relating to sentencing?
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Appeals?
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Political Damage?
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Trump found guilty on all 34 counts of falsifying business records. Here's a breakdown.

A New York jury unanimously found Donald Trump guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, a stunning conclusion to the historic trial of the former president.

www.yahoo.com

 

[fooferdoggie]

If those contractual agreements they signed outline they get paid, win or lose, Trump will likely get sued if he doesn't end up paying some of his attorneys.

More then likely, Trump isn't paying his attorneys like Blanche, RNC or some big-dollar donors are.

Blanche can always say he once defended a former U.S. President in a hush-money, campaign finance violation trial. Sure, some may avoid him or not like him for defending a guy like Trump, and perhaps they’ll be a short-term backlash, but again, I say, somebody had to defend him in a criminal trial even if his arguments werent valid or weak.

That's another major reason why our legal system in this case worked wonders.

but he did a horrible job right on live he sided with trump about the gag oder stops trump from testifying. He screwed up so bad he is done.

 

[Saintman2884]

I think, unlike January 2021, if Trump loses, Biden and Dems as well as Capital Police, DC police and National Guard will be a lot wiser to Trump if he and his political team try organizing a "Stop The Steal" part II MAGA cult rally where they can air their grievances out violently after being riled up by Trump or a like-minded sychophant. If he loses again, they will be wise to him this time and Trump probably knows it.

On January 6th, 2021, they didnt know that Trump or his MAGA crowds were capable of going that far into mob violence and it took months to organize, plan and bus in tens of thousands of Trump supporters from all over the nation just so conveniently on the same day as the Electoral College Certification process. No, I can't see D.C authorities or the Capital Police allowing any large political event organized in late December 2024/January 2025 no matter how profusely Trump, Proud Boys claim they'll behave. Simple fact remains: he can't be trusted and he'd lie through his teeth and do whatever he wants once the day arrives.

 

[superchuck500]

If those contractual agreements they signed outline they get paid, win or lose, Trump will likely get sued if he doesn't end up paying some of his attorneys.

More then likely, Trump isn't paying his attorneys like Blanche, RNC or some big-dollar donors are.

Blanche can always say he once defended a former U.S. President in a hush-money, campaign finance violation trial. Sure, some may avoid him or not like him for defending a guy like Trump, and perhaps they’ll be a short-term backlash, but again, I say, somebody had to defend him in a criminal trial even if his arguments werent valid or weak.

That's another major reason why our legal system in this case worked wonders.

I think based on Trump’s history of non-payment, whatever payment arrangements were made included forward payment and not in arrears.

In other words, they were paid a very large lump sump up front in escrow or had access to funding that Trump could not regulate.

 

[Saintman2884]

but he did a horrible job right on live he sided with trump about the gag oder stops trump from testifying. He screwed up so bad he is done.

I never said he did an outstanding, superb job, but again, I ask the question: some body had to represent Trump in that criminal trial even if it didnt have to be him, but it had to be someone who has very weak arguments and sales pitches? He also has a client who frankly wouldn't listen to one piece of advice he mightve told him during the trial because he's a malignant narcissicist who doesn't think the laws or norms apply to him. Not even the best, sharpest defense legal minds have succeeded in keeping Trump on a leash.

Also, while he might suffer a short-term backlash, he can still say or claim on his resume he represented a former U.S. President in a criminal hush money trial even if the RNC was the one, supposedly, paying his legal bills, not his actual client?

 

[Saintman2884]

I think based on Trump’s history of non-payment, whatever payment arrangements were made included forward payment and not in arrears.

In other words, they were paid a very large lump sump up front in escrow or had access to funding that Trump could not regulate.

So, he paid them or he really didn't, Chuck? Or not as much as their deserving?

I'm not trying to be flippant or ironic, but if they were paid by the RNC instead of Trump for legal fees, its not like a matter of his lawyers not being paid for their services in a losing effort, its just someone else picked up the tab and they werent necessarily stiffed.

Or were they?

 

[Incumbent]

I cannot tell you how many posts like these there are. Personally I think they see the threat is to their own gravy train.

I hope enough Americans are taking these threats seriously. It might be tempting to dismiss this kind of commentary, but everything signals that if Trump is ever allowed to return to power, it’s going to be as awful as anybody can imagine. Especially a now convicted Trump.

He is going after his opposition. He is going after marginalized communities, to galvanize and further radicalize his base, as a firewall to protect himself and his interests. He is going after media and elected officials. He will erode and disempower institutions, agencies, and regulations. His party will deploy every mechanism and tactic to manipulate election outcomes. He is going to surround himself with people who will enable his worst inclinations. Innocent Americans are going to suffer. He will rule through force and violence.

There won’t be a progressive revolution to eventually save us.

 

[Maxp]

Throw his old arse in jail. The citizenry has the attention span of a fly. 99.99% of Trump voters aren't going to lose their jobs over him going to prison. The rest can join him or worse.

 

[Incumbent]

Trump apparently thinks honoring the gag order, which he just spent time clearly defying, only means not calling somebody out by name.

 

[superchuck500]

So, he paid them or he really didn't, Chuck? Or not as much as their deserving?

I'm not trying to be flippant or ironic, but if they were paid by the RNC instead of Trump for legal fees, its not like a matter of his lawyers not being paid for their services in a losing effort, its just someone else picked up the tab and they werent necessarily stiffed.

Or were they?

I don’t think there’s any basis that these lawyers have been stiffed or will not be paid - that’s only Trump’s well known history. I think they’re being paid by the PACs. I’m not sure about the RNC.

 

[coldseat]

CNN has JD Vance on right now with Wolf Blitzer.

That dude has his nose so far up Trump's arse, it impossible to know where Trump ends and JD begins. Just wow

 

[superchuck500]

CNN has JD Vance on right now with Wolf Blitzer.

That dude has his nose so far up Trump's arse, it impossible to know where Trump ends and JD begins. Just wow

He has no shame - and also a pretty terrible understanding of the American legal system for someone with a law degree from Yale.

 

[Lapaz]

Here are Trump's excuses/claims:
1) Claim that Merchan is conflicted. Most seem to base this on his contribution to the democratic party, which was $35, and his daughter making money off of the Democratic party. His daughter is irrelevant, but the contribution has slight relevance, however it is such a trivial amount of money that it is not indicative of much. The key is how Merchan ruled. They will have to find evidence of bias in his rulings, and I don't think there is any.

2) Claim that the Biden administration ran the indictment primarily because one of the lawyers (Matthew Colangelo) arguing the case for the state of NY used to work for the Justice Department as an associate attorney general. Mr. Colangelo was only in an acting position at the 3rd highest position in the Justice Department, but he became a deputy when a permanent hire was made for associate attorney position. He had previously worked with Bragg at the NY attorney general's office, and had led many civil lawsuits against Trump, so Bragg knew what he could bring to the case. Also, there was a lot of overlap of his experience to the criminal case, so it isn't surprising that he would be interested in advancing his career by helping lead the case against Trump. Bragg could've won without him, but undoubtedly Bragg saw the value in hiring him. Bragg had decided to indict Trump before hiring Colangelo, and there is no evidence that the Biden administration was involved in pushing the hire.

3) Claim that Trump couldn't get a fair trial in NY. While true that a New York jury is more likely to convict Trump, there was one juror that appears to be MAGA based on using Truth as his source for news, therefore more likely than not to nullify the jury. Even in NY, it was more likely that not that a least 1 juror would not consider evidence objectively. In other words, it is more likely than not that the law would be ignored, which is actually unfair. Yet, apparently the evidence was so convincing that it even got through to that jurist, so the true surprise is that the verdict was fair. In all likelihood, there will be more nullifiers in the other cases with a higher percentage of MAGAs in the population, but that just means that other jurisdictions are more likely to be unfair by ignoring evidence.

4) Claim that no one knows the other crime that raised the document falsification to a felony. While I think there is some merit to complaints about how long it took for the other crimes to be stated, it's my understanding that that is allowed. However, in reality it doesn't matter in NY, because the NY law doesn't care what other crime you're trying to hide. He could even be hiding a crime against another nation. If in can be shown that the intent of the falsification is to hide another crime, then that falsification is no longer an accident. It is far more serious, and in NY they consider that a felony. I'm sure the rationale is to deter people from intentionally falsifying to hide other crimes. There were several other likely crimes cited, including campaign finance, tax evasion, and election interference. If the jurist believed he was trying to hide any of those crimes, then they concluded that the false entries were not an accident, and therefore felonious. The main merit to this complaint is that Trump couldn't build a case to defend why he didn't commit those other crimes. However I don't think he could defend campaign finance nor tax evasion, because those are irrefutable documents, but the election interference could be defensible. If jurists convicted him on that one, he may have an argument.

What his defenders don't address is that the evidence against Trump was overwhelming, notwithstanding Cohen's reputation. They ignore the sleaze factor of the actions, even if they had been legal. It is just another strike against Trump.

 

[DaveXA]

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“If you don't want to be found guilty of falsifying business records as a felony, don't sleep with the porn star, don't lie about it, don't pay her off, don't cover up the payoff, don't cover up the payoff in the middle of a presidential campaign ….

“If you don’t want to be held liable
for rape, as Donald Trump has, don’t grab the woman’s genitalia. If you don’t want to be held liable for defaming the woman you raped, don’t keep lying about what you did and calling her a nut job.

“If you don't want to be indicted for overthrowing the Constitution, don't start a self-coup. If you don't want to be indicted for stealing classified documents and obstructing justice, don't take the classified documents.

When the government asks for them back, give them back. If the FBI serves you with a search warrant, don't hide the documents and don't lie about it and don't have your lawyers lie about it.

“This isn't that hard. Donald Trump is not the victim here.”

The thing is, Trump did it at least twice, McDougal and Daniels. He paid them both off through an intermediary. Trump ain't a victim. He's the definition of a con man. And so many still believe the con.

 

[DaveXA]

Yeah I agree with you completely. My issue was the analyst saying there were no losses due to his fraud, unlike when someone cheats someone else out of some money. We do have losses due to his fraud, and they are worse than monetary. Our loss is that 20-25% of the population believes his fraud. And our loss is that he was elected in the first place. We will never know, but you can make the case (pretty strongly) that had the entire Stormy Daniels story come out right on the heels of the Access Hollywood scandal - we wouldn’t have had his presidency at all.

I mean, I completely agree with the sentiment, but I don't think any court is going to attach election results to this case in terms of losses. It's not clearly a direct line between the 2 things. And the operative comment you stated "we will never know" makes clear that lack of a direct line. It's a subjective sentiment. I agree with it, but for the court, it's not a consideration.

 

[SamAndreas]

It’s wild how they have no shame - completely willing to say idiotic things on national television.

Oh boy, don't like to see that. That JD Vance he's hill people alright. Disgusting as it is the possibility exists that he might be of distant kinfolk of some shirttail kind.



I suppose I'll have to read to him if he comes by my hollar. I'll need to tell him to not stay too darned long, that he needs to move on and go back to his own. .

I will say that the best thing be him staying in his own hollar with his own close kinfolk. He wouldn't like me and mine all that much. Our attitudes in the far west are very different.

 

[DaveXA]

He has no shame - and also a pretty terrible understanding of the American legal system for someone with a law degree from Yale.

Oh I think he understands clearly, he just doesn't care at this point.

 

[Incumbent]

Take them seriously.

 

[SamAndreas]

Oh I think he understands clearly, he just doesn't care at this point.

I'm not surprised all all that he holds a law degree, afterall I have a physics degree, we're equals of sorts. Lots of us have degrees, and many more of us hold even more advanced degrees over what he or I hold.

I went to a proper hill college in the proper hilly place of Boulder Colorado. Yankee Yaley School hardly holds a candle next to that.

Vance doesn't properly appreciate the responsibility he has to tend to his kin. I wonder if I can get Granny and Jed to pitch in to help me read to him if he comes here. They're well read in what matters. KInfolk matter.

And they also have the proper double barrel shotguns ro wave around for effect. Granny will bring them along for effect.


I have a very fancy custom engraved English hand made double barreled skeet gun. One of the barrels is permanently ever so slightly choked by the custom tapering way it is made.

But we won't be needing them after that first show of force moment which climaxes the moment Jed grabs Grannies shotgun from her hands and puts them all safely away.

There's a proper code for this visiting someone else's hillbilly holler. I'm in a good improving mood to be dealing with him in my own hollar if I have too. If he's so foolish as to come here.

He doesn't know or care for his kinfolk, that's his problem. If he did, he'd vote for proper Democrats all along.