SHOULD Biden run for a 2nd term? (1 Viewer)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Biden has lost support from many people who voted for him in the past.
He is getting up there in age.
Here are a couple of sites I'd like to share...
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Octogenarian Biden begins new year facing age-old question on 2024 race

In the coming months, Biden faces a simple question: will he seek a second term at the end of which he would be 86?

www.theguardian.com

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Biden 2024? Most Democrats say no thank you: AP-NORC poll

A majority of Democrats now think one term is plenty for President Joe Biden, despite his insistence that he plans to seek reelection in 2024. While Biden has trumpeted his legislative victories and ability to govern, the poll suggests relatively few U.S. adults give him high marks on either...

news.yahoo.com

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WHAT DO ANY OF YOU THINK?
IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BEST SERVED BY HAVING PRESIDENT BIDEN RUN FOR ANOTHER TERM OR WOULD A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE BE BETTER?

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Yes....and some people keep referring to the millions of people who voted for Biden in the primaries. Yet how about we be real about that? Those voters hadn't seen the infamous debate and then all the recent "blunders" or "gaffes" that have been seen/heard since then. It would seem reasonable that many of the people that voted for President Biden would not do so if they were voting this Tuesday.

When I was watching ABC News's coverage of the Convention they put up a very recent poll. 65% of Democrats who were polled wish that President Biden would not seek a 2nd Term.

 

[DaveXA]

Yes....and some people keep referring to the millions of people who voted for Biden in the primaries. Yet how about we be real about that? Those voters hadn't seen the infamous debate and then all the recent "blunders" or "gaffes" that have been seen/heard since then. It would seem reasonable that many of the people that voted for President Biden would not do so if they were voting this Tuesday.

That's a fair point. I think if the debate happens before everyone voted, I think a legit challenger would have gotten a lot if not a majority of votes.

 

[J-DONK]

I think most of us are operating from the same place where we just want to beat Trump.. there's just pretty entrenched disagreement on how we do that.

I mean I hate the idea that donors have any sway in the party. The Biden campaign took in 1/4 of thier projected haul for the month. These people aren't going donate with Joe at the top of the ticket. That AP-NORC poll also dropped showing 65% of Democrats want Biden replaced. You can't recover from this kind of stuff.

The people who don't think we should swap. I've never heard a plan to re-capture any of this.

 

[SamAndreas]

Do we know what the ones that haven’t taken a position believe? I hear a lot of he is currently our nominee and it’s his decision. Few say they don’t want him to get out.

Yes we do know, It's currently 33 out of the 47 Democratic, and affiliated Independents in the Senate who have endorsed Biden.

It was 35 out of 47, but at Wikipedia they have crossed two off if that current endorsement list.

So it actually is 34 out of 47 who are currently endorsing Biden.

This is the list, it has house members, and other federal important persons on it as well:

List of Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign endorsements - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That list even has movie stars and such on it.

What you will see when you opened it up are a whole lot of names of people who have endorsed Biden. The names of the ones who have withdrawn their endorsement are still there, but have a strike out line through them, and a cite to a source to show that they have called for Biden to withdraw from the election.

Less than 10% of Biden's many endorsements have been withdrawn overall. Which means more than 90% of them are still ridin with Biden.

 

[bdb13]

If I had a dime for every time people said the damn broke, then I'd have thirty cents now. It remains to be seen if that goes up to forty cents or not.

We shall see. I've been back and forth on what I believe will happen but I'm increasingly convinced at this point that he'll step as he and his team come to grips with what I believe to be the reality of the situation.

 

[bdb13]

And I believe Kamala probably loses to Trump too honestly.. I would like to see them swing for the fences if at all possible but I do not particularly expect them to do that.. but yeah, I just think Biden is too damaged for it to make sense for him to continue on.

Like I said, we'll see.

 

[bdb13]

I mean I hate the idea that donors have any sway in the party. The Biden campaign took in 1/4 of thier projected haul for the month. These people aren't going donate with Joe at the top of the ticket. That AP-NORC poll also dropped showing 65% of Democrats want Biden replaced. You can't recover from this kind of stuff.

The people who don't think we should swap. I've never heard a plan to re-capture any of this.

The "elites" bullshirt is pretty annoying, it's a broad swath of people that want to see a change.. some of them just happen to be the elites doing what they do.. but it's nowhere close to just them and it's a dishonest framing of the situation to put it that way.

 

[Andrus]

Alright everyone. Posting tweets without adding context has become too much like posting meme's or pictures without context. I'm tired of dealing with the reported posts over it.

So, anytime you post a picture, a tweet, a you tube video, or media otherwise, add some context. That should eliminate any doubt concerning what can and cannot be posted without adding context.

BTW - Some of the reported posts show the political biases of the person reporting it, so bear that in mind... and what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[SamAndreas]

News from another front of this same topic:

DNC backs virtual roll call vote for Biden as outside groups educate delegates about other scenarios

The virtual ballot will show Biden "as the presumptive and only qualified nominee," but there's an option for delegates to mark their own preference, as there was in 2020.

www.cbsnews.com

This news sets a firm deadline of Aug 7 for this issue to be resolved. It might come as early as Aug 1. That's the time window.

It also would have the effect of reassuring Biden that he cannot be forced out unless he wants out. That part is baked in. all he has to do is Ignore the news hounds and what not for about two weeks. The news media can't sustain this kind of wall to wall coverage for that long, that coverage will back off. It already did back off, then got revitalized after the RNC convention coverage wound down.

People will not be able to say this is unprecedented. The same, or very similar, virtual vote was used by the DNC in 2020.

They were beginning to bring this virtual vote plan together before this Biden fap erupted. A possible complaint that they are doing this to help Biden seems out of line. They were, and are, doing this to insure they are getting on the ballot of all 50 states.

It's a pretty good neutral bias story, lots of factual details are covered.

NBC has a story about it, they inserted more negative narrative. I didn't bring it here because of that.

 

[LA - L.A.]

People keep saying this like those calling for Biden to step down won't support him if he doesn't. It's the opposite and they've said that publicly.

The rich white male donors trying to bully Biden into step down will never support him. Never.

This constant insulting is just wrong.

There's no reason for you to feel insulted. I clearly said I wasn't referring to anyone on this board. This is just more strawman outrage.

 

[LA - L.A.]

The Nancy/Obama/Schumer/Jeffries leaks all hit the same day, and were coordinated.

That's certainly a conclusion. It remains to be seen if it's an accurate conclusion or not.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I would just say that those 40 who haven't said he needs to get out, how many of them have said Biden needs to stay in? Some surely don't want to make their position known yet, imo. So, seems it's still TBD at this point.

I agree completely that it it's TBD. My point was the people who really really want Biden to drop out jump to a lot of conclusions that aren't known at this time. I don't know how things will turn out, none of us do. Some of us aren't aware of that.

 

[LA - L.A.]

We shall see. I've been back and forth on what I believe will happen but I'm increasingly convinced at this point that he'll step as he and his team come to grips with what I believe to be the reality of the situation.

I don't see it as "coming to grips with realty" as much as realize some rich spoiled brats are never going to stop insisting they get their way and way too many people care what those rich spoiled brats think. I'm not referring to anyone on this board.

 

[SamAndreas]

The dam did break the day Pelosi/Schumer/Obama/Jeffries went public with their private meetings.

J-Donk, they are the House and Senate leadership. I would assume they discussed it with each other before they held those meetings. However having those meeting has it seems caused members of the press to jump to conclusions. The press has the categories in their minds mapped out, and they have been slotting people into their places on their map.

Yesterday was it seems to me to be the day members of the press misrepresented the House and Senate leaders minding their leadership roles as being dump Biden.

Since yesterday I have removed all of them except for Adam Shift from the dump Biden list. As on overall observation THE Press have gone ape over this, they are reporting gossip for crying out loud.

They were just filling their leadership roles. To be fair the press was just filling their going ape about it roles as well.

I've removed Obama from that list as well, he didn't, the press did it, they went ape. Apparently it's their job to report gossip and to go ape.

 

[Incumbent]

This isn't up for debate. This came directly from his twitter account.

He posted the same on Threads. He’s getting ratioed badly.

 

[Incumbent]

I’m seeing a growing sentiment on social media that people believe forcing Biden out is just another in the tactics of attacking democracy by wealthy elites. Pointing out that people like Sanders and AOC are supporting him because they aren’t bought and paid for.

Whatever is happening, I’m losing hope we can unify. I think it’s a lot of wishful thinking that we can just pivot to another ticket and pull this off. I have a growing suspicion that some in the wealthy class know that, too. They have tax rates to protect and the democratic process doesn’t serve their selfish interests.

 

[SamAndreas]

I’m seeing a growing sentiment on social media that people believe forcing Biden out is just another in the tactics of attacking democracy by wealthy elites. Pointing out that people like Sanders and AOC are supporting him because they aren’t bought and paid for.

Whatever is happening, I’m losing hope we can unify. I think it’s a lot of wishful thinking that we can just pivot to another ticket and pull this off. I have a growing suspicion that some in the wealthy class know that, too. They have tax rates to protect and the democratic process doesn’t serve their selfish interests.

Incumbent, I still have hope.

 

[Incumbent]

Incumbent, I still have hope.

I didn’t say I’ve lost all hope. I think anybody who isn’t seriously concerned, at this point, probably isn’t looking at this very clearly, however.