SHOULD Biden run for a 2nd term? (4 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Biden has lost support from many people who voted for him in the past.
He is getting up there in age.
Here are a couple of sites I'd like to share...
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Octogenarian Biden begins new year facing age-old question on 2024 race

In the coming months, Biden faces a simple question: will he seek a second term at the end of which he would be 86?

www.theguardian.com

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Biden 2024? Most Democrats say no thank you: AP-NORC poll

A majority of Democrats now think one term is plenty for President Joe Biden, despite his insistence that he plans to seek reelection in 2024. While Biden has trumpeted his legislative victories and ability to govern, the poll suggests relatively few U.S. adults give him high marks on either...

news.yahoo.com

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WHAT DO ANY OF YOU THINK?
IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BEST SERVED BY HAVING PRESIDENT BIDEN RUN FOR ANOTHER TERM OR WOULD A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE BE BETTER?

 

[CoolBrees]

It's his choice. But we are under the boat and we need to pick a way and go. If he stays fine. Then build towards a convention in unity and push all your chips on his nomination acceptance speech. Because that is what we are doing. He lands that, I think he wins. He pulls a debate and it's over.

That is why I am in favor of him stepping aside. I am really not comfortable balancing the free world on whether we get SOTU Biden or debate Biden for an hour. That's the whole election now if he stays.

Not because it would cause people to vote for Trump. It would cause a Hillary level turnout. That's a loss.

But again it's his choice and no matter how she is picked I firmly believe Kamala is the only way to go. I believe she would hold "all" his votes, plus I believe Georgia flips back to Blue and Minnesota is firm blue again. I think there would be hours long lines in places in this country to vote for a Black woman right now.

One would be right to argue that the opposite is true. I believe those numbers are smaller and in places that don't matter anyways as their concentrations are in areas no Democrat is going to win.

Like I said in a post earlier. I would choose down four with the ball with a minute left and two timeouts - and go on offense - than hope Bidefense can deliver. We Saints fans know this pain all too well.

 

[LA - L.A.]

It takes way more guts to speak out against the winner of your party’s primary than to say stay the course.

That's certainly your opinion. In my opinion it takes more courage not to join in the stampede of fear created by spoiled rich brats, no one on this board, that disingenuously use unreliable polls to make their argument. It also doesn't take any courage whatsoever to pitch a temper tantrum like a spoiled child just to get your way. There's nothing courageous about that at all.

It is essentially not taking a stance, which implies they don’t think he should remain...

That's certainly the conclusion you're inferring. They aren't imply anything, you're just reading it in a way that fits your beliefs. None of us know what they're thinking. All we know is that it's a fact that only a small minority of Democrats in Congress has publicly called for Biden to drop out. None of us know what anyone is actually saying in private, unless we are in the room when they say it. "Anonymous sources" are notoriously unreliable.

 

[Lapaz]

The linked comment makes a point that has really been nagging at me. Biden has had some unsettling moments but it feels like something has been set in motion that is going to be very hard to recover from. No, I don’t trust the motivations of the moneyed interests asserting their heavy-handed influence on the left side of the aisle anymore than I do on the right.


There is a point that no one is talking about. And that’s the point that the Democrats calling for Biden to step aside have painted themselves in a corner. They have never considered what will happen if Biden doesn’t do what they want and all indications are that Biden is staying in. They have no plan what to do then. No plan for how long they continue on this path. No plan how to fix the damage they’ve done.

People are saying out loud what most believe. There is no damage being done. The damage is done. Those that claim that Biden is fine for another term are losing credibility. The most honest answer is to say that Harris will take over if necessary, but that doesn’t address how that transition would occur, yet that’s what almost everyone will say if Biden remains the candidate, because the alternative is still worse. It would be better to have a choice with which we had confidence to fulfill a full term, but half a term of Biden and a full term of his administration is still preferable.

 

[SaintForLife]

That will never happen. The people who interview him know not to ask him questions like that if they want any more interviews.

 

[SaintForLife]

It is ironic that the party that is supposedly protecting democracy is trying to remove their candidate who already received enough votes to be the nominee.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I’m seeing a growing sentiment on social media that people believe forcing Biden out is just another in the tactics of attacking democracy by wealthy elites. Pointing out that people like Sanders and AOC are supporting him because they aren’t bought and paid for.

Whatever is happening, I’m losing hope we can unify. I think it’s a lot of wishful thinking that we can just pivot to another ticket and pull this off. I have a growing suspicion that some in the wealthy class know that, too. They have tax rates to protect and the democratic process doesn’t serve their selfish interests.

Exactly if the so called wealthy Democratic "supporters" are being unemotionally calculating, then they are trying to kill Biden's tax plan, and to hell with what happens to the rest of us.

If that isn't what they are unemotionally trying to do, then they are being irrational. Unless someone on this board is a wealthy Democratic "supporter," then I'm not talking about anyone on this board.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I didn’t say I’ve lost all hope. I think anybody who isn’t seriously concerned, at this point, probably isn’t looking at this very clearly, however.

Just like anyone who thinks this isn't being spearheaded and manipulated by a handful of wealthy people, probably isn't looking at this very clearly either. It's as obvious as Biden's struggles during the debate was.

 

[LA - L.A.]

It's his choice. But we are under the boat and we need to pick a way and go. If he stays fine.

Sincere question. How many times does Biden has to say he's staying in before everyone accepts it. He's already said it 3 times now, so the third time wasn't the charm.

How many more times does Biden have to say he's staying in before people who claim they will support him if he stays in, will actually start supporting him?

 

[Lapaz]

Exactly if the so called wealthy Democratic "supporters" are being unemotionally calculating, then they are trying to kill Biden's tax plan, and to hell with what happens to the rest of us.

If that isn't what they are unemotionally trying to do that, then they are being irrational. Unless someone on this board is a wealthy Democratic "supporter," then I'm not talking about anyone on this board.

Your frequent refrain that you're not referring to anyone on this board is disingenuous, since many of us hold the same positions as these wealthy elites, ergo you are also referring to many of us on this board as irrational. No one is fooled by that refrain. We have explained our rationale. It isn't based on some nefarious self interest.

 

[Lapaz]

Sincere question. How many times does Biden has to say he's staying in before everyone accepts it. He's already said it 3 times now, so the third time wasn't the charm.

How many more times does Biden have to say he's staying in before people who claim they will support him if he stays in, will actually start supporting him?

The pressure will continue while there is time to change, no matter how many times he says it, until he is the candidate. Question for you, why do you think so many politicians, that haven't outright asked him to leave the race, continue to say it it his choice, despite the fact that he has stated dozens of times since the debate that he is not dropping out? Some keep saying a minority of politicians have asked him to leave, but can't infer anything into these that seemingly haven't accepted his current answer.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Your frequent refrain that you're not referring to anyone on this board is disingenuous,

I'm being completely sincere and have made it clear that my issues is with rich spoiled brats. Are you a rich spoiled brat? If you're not, then my issues aren't with you.

You thinking you know what everyone thinks, despite what they say, is your problem, not mine.

...since many of us hold the same positions as these wealthy elites, ergo you are also referring to many of us on this board as irrational.

No, I'm not. You are jumping to that conclusion by internalizing what I say. Again, that is your problem, not mine.

No one is fooled by that refrain.

If you refuse to take me at my word, that's your problem, not mine.

 

[LA - L.A.]

The pressure will continue while there is time to change, no matter how many times he says it, until he is the candidate.

What is the date of when there is no time to change?

 

[Lapaz]

What is the date of when there is no time to change?

After the convention it is too late.

 

[Lapaz]

I'm being completely sincere and have made it clear that my issues is with rich spoiled brats. Are you a rich spoiled brat? If you're not, then my issues aren't with you.

You thinking you know what everyone thinks, despite what they say, is your problem, not mine.


No, I'm not. You are jumping to that conclusion by internalizing what I say. Again, that is your problem, not mine.


If you refuse to take me at my word, that's your problem, not mine.

You seem to think you know what the donors think. Also, if their ONLY motive can be Biden's tax plan, OTHERWISE they are irrational, then if follows that anyone who thinks Biden should leave for ANY other reason must also be irrational. Since many of us have different rationales, your refrain that you're not referring to anyone on this board is disingenuous. You can disagree about any rationale, but you are the one jumping to the conclusion that the donors' motives must be self-interest greed.

Frankly, I don't care what their motives are. I listen to their rationale, and I agree with many like Clooney. It's sad that despite the good ally that he has been, nefarious motives have to be assigned for not towing the party line. It's the same tactic defense lawyers use to discredit witnesses when they don't have a strong case on the merits.

 

[bdb13]

After the convention it is too late.

Yes, I don't see how it would any longer make sense to call for him to step aside past the convention. It's still happening now because it's still possible conceivable to replace him.

 

[bdb13]

Only one I've seen today thus far

California Rep. Mark Takano on Saturday publicly urged President Joe Biden to drop out of the race against former President Donald Trump, and instead allow Vice President Kamala Harris to helm the ticket.

Takano is the thirty-sixth Democrat on Capitol Hill to call on Biden to exit the race on the record, though dozens of others have reportedly aired their concerns privately.“

President Biden’s greatest accomplishment remains saving democracy in 2020. He can and must do so again in 2024 — by passing the torch to Vice President Harris as the Democratic Party Presidential nominee,” Takano said in a statement.

“It has become clear to me that the demands of a modern campaign are now best met by the Vice President, who can seamlessly transition into the role of our party’s standard bearer,” he said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/20/mark-takano-biden-election-harris-nominee.html

 

[LA - L.A.]

After the convention it is too late.

Actually, after Aug 7th it's too late.

 

[LA - L.A.]

You seem to think you know what the donors think.

The donors have made it clear that they're not being honest about what they actually think. Their arguments contradict their actions. Just you wait and see how right I am when they turn on Harris and create even more chaos, if they manage to get Biden to drop out.