SHOULD Biden run for a 2nd term? (2 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Biden has lost support from many people who voted for him in the past.
He is getting up there in age.
Here are a couple of sites I'd like to share...
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Octogenarian Biden begins new year facing age-old question on 2024 race

In the coming months, Biden faces a simple question: will he seek a second term at the end of which he would be 86?

www.theguardian.com

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Biden 2024? Most Democrats say no thank you: AP-NORC poll

A majority of Democrats now think one term is plenty for President Joe Biden, despite his insistence that he plans to seek reelection in 2024. While Biden has trumpeted his legislative victories and ability to govern, the poll suggests relatively few U.S. adults give him high marks on either...

news.yahoo.com

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WHAT DO ANY OF YOU THINK?
IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BEST SERVED BY HAVING PRESIDENT BIDEN RUN FOR ANOTHER TERM OR WOULD A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE BE BETTER?

 

[SamAndreas]

He posted the same on Threads. He’s getting ratioed badly.

I understand his position, and Tester's from Montana as well. They both have to run against the grain in their home states.

They will always have to somewhat run against an incumbent Democratic Party President. They both had to be this way with Obama as well.

They're a special case along with several more from other red states. To survive they have to appear to be DINO's. Come election time both Brown and Tester have to put on their DINO suits, get out there and campaign like hell.

 

[SamAndreas]

I didn’t say I’ve lost all hope. I think anybody who isn’t seriously concerned, at this point, probably isn’t looking at this very clearly, however.

I'm seriously concerned and can prove it.

My proof about that is in that I'm here. I don't waste my day on political stuff unless I'm concerned.

But as days go by I'm growing less concerned. This seems huge now, but I do think it will blow over.

Unless someone blows it up.

 

[MT15]

The people who don't think we should swap. I've never heard a plan to re-capture any of this.

Wait, it was just said a few posts ago that if Biden remains everyone would get behind him. I know if Biden is replaced almost everyone who wants him to stay will get behind the new candidate.

I suspect that the rich donors will not get behind Biden, or they wouldn’t have done what they are doing right now. Which is an incredibly public influence campaign of big money pushing a candidate aside, they are openly admitting to financial blackmail - they are withholding funds from specific Congress members unless they call for Biden to drop out of the race.

What is also being said, by AOC and others, is that the big donors want Harris out as well. That will be a huge blow to much of the party’s base. I question if the party could recover from that in the short amount of time that is left.

What I have never heard is an actual plan for a smooth transition to a candidate that can beat Trump, and a candidate that alienates a huge (huge) part of the Democratic base (being perceived as bypassing Harris) is a problem if they get their way and Harris is tossed aside.

 

[MT15]

I guess you believe the calls to step down are going to stop.

So what you are saying is that the side that wants Biden out will never get behind him?

 

[bdb13]

So what you are saying is that the side that wants Biden out will never get behind him?

Think he was just say he doesn't expect the calls for Biden to step aside to stop.

 

[MT15]

Think he was just say he doesn't expect the calls for Biden to step aside to stop.

Even after the convention if he is the candidate? Then they are willing to elect Trump to keep Biden out.

 

[bdb13]

Even after the convention if he is the candidate? Then they are willing to elect Trump to keep Biden out.

I doubt he meant it like that.. just that there will be more Democrats in the coming days who call for him to step aside.

 

[Incumbent]

The linked comment makes a point that has really been nagging at me. Biden has had some unsettling moments but it feels like something has been set in motion that is going to be very hard to recover from. No, I don’t trust the motivations of the moneyed interests asserting their heavy-handed influence on the left side of the aisle anymore than I do on the right.


There is a point that no one is talking about. And that’s the point that the Democrats calling for Biden to step aside have painted themselves in a corner. They have never considered what will happen if Biden doesn’t do what they want and all indications are that Biden is staying in. They have no plan what to do then. No plan for how long they continue on this path. No plan how to fix the damage they’ve done.

 

[SamAndreas]

Wait, it was just said a few posts ago that if Biden remains everyone would get behind him. I know if Biden is replaced almost everyone who wants him to stay will get behind the new candidate.

I suspect that the rich donors will not get behind Biden, or they wouldn’t have done what they are doing right now. Which is an incredibly public influence campaign of big money pushing a candidate aside, they are openly admitting to financial blackmail - they are withholding funds from specific Congress members unless they call for Biden to drop out of the race.

What is also being said, by AOC and others, is that the big donors want Harris out as well. That will be a huge blow to much of the party’s base. I question if the party could recover from that in the short amount of time that is left.

What I have never heard is an actual plan for a smooth transition to a candidate that can beat Trump, and a candidate that alienates a huge (huge) part of the Democratic base (being perceived as bypassing Harris) is a problem if they get their way and Harris is tossed aside.

Interesting I came here with a link to post and a comment to give, and you gave me a landing pad for that link:

Major Democratic donor tells Biden to choose ‘vanity or virtue’​

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4783015-major-democratic-donor-michael-mortiz-joe-biden-withdraw-2024-race/

My comment, regarding choosing "vanity or virtue," I choose virtue, I sure hope that screen door slaps his ... hard, while mr. major donor is on his way out.

Our party grows stronger, more focused, with major donors good riddance.

 

[Lapaz]

No, we don't.


So, just as many say it's Biden's choice to make as say he should step down.


So, just as many say it's Biden should stay in as say he should step down.

I think there are now just as many saying he should stay in as saying he should get out, which is extraordinaria considering Biden has already won the primary, though it really wasn’t a contest. It takes way more guts to speak out against the winner of your party’s primary than to say stay the course. All others are just saying it is Biden’s choice, which is a “duh, tell me something I don’t already know” statement. It is essentially not taking a stance, which implies they don’t think he should remain, because that is the easy stance, so if they believed that, they would say it.

 

[SamAndreas]

I think most of us are operating from the same place where we just want to beat Trump.. there's just pretty entrenched disagreement on how we do that.

I'm pleased to agree with you on that point.

I think our disagreement is caused by moneyed interests, those so called major donors of """ours""", applying their self interest over the top of most of our interests.

Here's a metaphoric representation of this. It's a 2020 Biden campaign ad which I thought at the time was wonderful. It certainly cause me to redouble my effort, when my effort had been lagging, to see Biden in the White House. How could anyone not love that man???



How could anyone not be moved???

It's the same thing now, rich folks trying to buy our country with campaign money, for which they feel we should be grateful for their largess.

 

[Lapaz]

I mean I hate the idea that donors have any sway in the party. The Biden campaign took in 1/4 of thier projected haul for the month. These people aren't going donate with Joe at the top of the ticket. That AP-NORC poll also dropped showing 65% of Democrats want Biden replaced. You can't recover from this kind of stuff.

The people who don't think we should swap. I've never heard a plan to re-capture any of this.

I have heard the plan, but it hasn’t worked. The plan was to get Biden out more, but that has not changed anything. The other thing I’ve heard is highlighting how dangerous Trump is and Project 2025. I think there is a little movement due to that, but imagine if it was another candidate that wasn’t also trying to undue the perception from over 60% of democrats that he is too old? In an election that could drastically alter the country for the worse, our candidate is feeble, so he can’t take advantage of the cheese for brains wanna-be authoritarian.

 

[Lapaz]

Yes we do know, It's currently 33 out of the 47 Democratic, and affiliated Independents in the Senate who have endorsed Biden.

It was 35 out of 47, but at Wikipedia they have crossed two off if that current endorsement list.

So it actually is 34 out of 47 who are currently endorsing Biden.

This is the list, it has house members, and other federal important persons on it as well:

List of Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign endorsements - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That list even has movie stars and such on it.

What you will see when you opened it up are a whole lot of names of people who have endorsed Biden. The names of the ones who have withdrawn their endorsement are still there, but have a strike out line through them, and a cite to a source to show that they have called for Biden to withdraw from the election.

Less than 10% of Biden's many endorsements have been withdrawn overall. Which means more than 90% of them are still ridin with Biden.

I think 100% of Democratic senators endorse Biden, because he is the current candidate, but few have said they want him to remain the candidate. They are politicians that are worried about their future in the party, and also worry about whether it would hurt the party to speak out, so they give politically-correct answers. Only the democrats that are at risk of losing their elections have the guts to speak out. The rest give mealy mouthed answers.

 

[Lapaz]

And I believe Kamala probably loses to Trump too honestly.. I would like to see them swing for the fences if at all possible but I do not particularly expect them to do that.. but yeah, I just think Biden is too damaged for it to make sense for him to continue on.

Like I said, we'll see.

Kamala may lose, but she has a better chance than a damaged Biden, and I think it really is too late for anyone else. I hate where we are with Biden, because I really like him, but I think he is too old, and more importantly, so does a majority of voters. They seem to prefer crazy and vigorous over sane and feeble. Kamala would be sane and vigorous, which should give her the edge.

 

[bdb13]

Kamala may lose, but she has a better chance than a damaged Biden, and I think it really is too late for anyone else. I hate where we are with Biden, because I really like him, but I think he is too old, and more importantly, so does a majority of voters. They seem to prefer crazy and vigorous over sane and feeble. Kamala would be sane and vigorous, which should give her the edge.

Yeah.. I don't know how to judge it there.. it's just a shame that this happened so late in this cycle and has likely prevented Democrats from being able to run their strongest candidate, whomever that may have been.

 

[Lapaz]

Wait, it was just said a few posts ago that if Biden remains everyone would get behind him. I know if Biden is replaced almost everyone who wants him to stay will get behind the new candidate.

I suspect that the rich donors will not get behind Biden, or they wouldn’t have done what they are doing right now. Which is an incredibly public influence campaign of big money pushing a candidate aside, they are openly admitting to financial blackmail - they are withholding funds from specific Congress members unless they call for Biden to drop out of the race.

What is also being said, by AOC and others, is that the big donors want Harris out as well. That will be a huge blow to much of the party’s base. I question if the party could recover from that in the short amount of time that is left.

What I have never heard is an actual plan for a smooth transition to a candidate that can beat Trump, and a candidate that alienates a huge (huge) part of the Democratic base (being perceived as bypassing Harris) is a problem if they get their way and Harris is tossed aside.

I have heard the plan is mostly for Biden to endorse Harris. I’ve heard wishful thinking of a contested convention, but most believe that might be too disruptive and haven’t got a good plan for funding another candidate other than Harris. If we change to Harris, it will still be disruptive, but much less so, and at least shows the party is aware that we’re more likely to lose unless we make a change.

 

[SamAndreas]

I think 100% of Democratic senators endorse Biden, because he is the current candidate, but few have said they want him to remain the candidate. They are politicians that are worried about their future in the party, and also worry about whether it would hurt the party to speak out, so they give politically-correct answers. Only the democrats that are at risk of losing their elections have the guts to speak out. The rest give mealy mouthed answers.

Lapaz in that statement you appear to attempting to package your stuff into what you say is our stuff.

That creation of yours is what I mean, you created the argument that those who have not spoken, have not spoken because they are perhaps too scared to do so. Then you showed us the ones who have those so call "guts." You're using all of them to carry your stuff. That's not what the reality is.

It's normal for red state Senate Democrats to run against their own party, they have to appear as a sober heads who're aligning with the conservatives in terms of most of their must have views. Those must haves are usually the social conservative kinds of issues.

They strike a deal with the GOP voters to in essence work for them, from the other side. Having a state send one Democrat and one Republican to the US Senate is ideal from a business standpoint. Its a good sound argument which I heard in Montana many times, from many of those GOP voters.

It brings more goodies home from Washington. That's the usual way they frame it, they return the taxes which the government took from the voters. So those GOP voters hold their nose and vote for that one Democrat who has a good sound argument to give to them, as well as all those goodies they bring home to the state.

Those Senators are Dino's for sure. In washington they get along by reminding the other Democrats that without them, the Democrat will have no hope of ever controlling that legislative body. That is a real thing as well. Another good sound argument based in logic.

I've been a long time supporter of Senator Tester from Montana. I fought like hell to get him elected that first time. I had been in Montana for 12 years by then, and although for part of that election year I was in California i was still a Montana resident at that time.

 

[SamAndreas]

I have heard the plan is mostly for Biden to endorse Harris. I’ve heard wishful thinking of a contested convention, but most believe that might be too disruptive and haven’t got a good plan for funding another candidate other than Harris. If we change to Harris, it will still be disruptive, but much less so, and at least shows the party is aware that we’re more likely to lose unless we make a change.

There I agree, you might be right.