President Trump and First Lady have tested positive for Virus (Update: Trump to undergo televised ‘medical exam’ Friday night) (1 Viewer)

[MT15]

 

[DaveXA]

I keeping seeing various versions of this, but this is a man who refuses to get a dog because he thinks it makes him look silly. This is a man who refuses to wear a mask because it makes him look weak. He has his doctors write these notes about his health that are so ridiculous that they're clearly false.

While there's various scenarios about how Trump claiming to have Covid could a strategy play, I just think that claiming to have gotten Covid is not in Trump's DNA. He would never claim to have a disease he doesn't have. That's weakness, in his view.

There's something else I hadn't previously pondered that might be a possibility. Could it be that he doesn't actually want to win the election? Maybe he's tired of it all? I wouldn't put it past him.

 

[MT15]

To add, there's not a chance in hell that he would leave the campaign trail for a week or two right now just for the hell of it.

I saw something about the campaign was beginning to explore how to get him in front of the public during his quarantine period. Of course, that was before it was known he had symptoms.

 

[superchuck500]

There's something else I hadn't previously pondered that might be a possibility. Could it be that he doesn't actually want to win the election? Maybe he's tired of it all? I wouldn't put it past him.

I absolutely would put it past him, inconceivable. The man has clinical narcissism, being president and having rallies and all of that is a narcissist's heaven. There's no way he would ever choose to leave that.

 

[Foreign National]

Hello everyone.

Your president did not write the message in that tweet.

 

[bdb13]

Hello everyone.

Your president did not write the message in that tweet.

Are you getting at something beyond that?

 

[N.O.Bronco]

There's something else I hadn't previously pondered that might be a possibility. Could it be that he doesn't actually want to win the election? Maybe he's tired of it all? I wouldn't put it past him.

Have you had a chance to read this Atlantic article yet?

The Election That Could Break America

If the vote is close, Donald Trump could easily throw the election into chaos and subvert the result. Who will stop him?

www.theatlantic.com

If your speculation were to be true, I don’t think you funnel enormous sums of money, while you are facing potential criminal charges and bankruptcy, into a secretive backroom strategy involving expensive lawyers and surrogates to attempt to overturn the democratic processes governing your re-election if you fail to win fairly.

 

[MT15]

Well, hello! Seems plausible, is that an opinion? Got any further info?

 

[Nebaghead]

GOP Senator Mike Lee tested positive. If a super spread occurs in the senate that could delay Barrett’s nomination. Wouldn’t that be the king of irony.

 

[Foreign National]

Are you getting at something beyond that?

I read earlier here that it was an indication that he is now taking the virus seriously. It does not fit his writing pattern and word usage.

 

[MT15]

Yes, it’s very likely that Tweet was written by staff. But with his consent, no doubt. I think people are hoping he takes it more seriously going forward, but there’s no proof of that just yet.

 

[bdb13]

I read earlier here that it was an indication that he is now taking the virus seriously. It does not fit his writing pattern and word usage.

I would agree that that doesn't fit his writing style, my fiance actually said that this morning the first time she read it.

 

[SaintForLife]

More lies. Guess you simply dont get tired of being woefully incorrect.

I assume at this moment, you are frantically dredging up brietbart and rt opinion pieces to support your stance.

When it has been talked about ad nauseam that masks REDUCE the expelling of the virus, reducing viral load in the air.

Proven thru science and application.

The University of Minnesota's Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy Dr. Michael Osterholm says that despite guidelines to the contrary, masks for the general public just don't help all that much.

"We know that the virus can be transmitted by what we call air assaults, its the tiniest of particles. If anything comes in along the side of the mask or escapes that way, then it really minimizes both to protection for the individual who used the mask or the protection for others so that if I'm infected, I don't transmit to them. That's when you get into the surgical masks and to the cloth masks. And quite honestly, the data for both is lacking that they are major impediments, and he's getting infected or infecting others."

.. For most consumers, and even some frontline healthcare workers, N95 masks aren't available and they are only left with surgical masks. Dr. Osterholm says that those are better than nothing.

"People want to wear a mask. That's great. But I think we're going to show in the end that many more health care workers were infected by working with only surgical masks and not N95 [masks]. I realize and understand the shortage of N95. I get that [surgical masks] are better than nothing, but I don't think that it offers anywhere near the protection that we need for this virus.

"The next time you see the sunlight, peer through your room in your home and you see all that dust floating there, that's an air assault. When you and I just talk, we create those."

..."Cloth masks, I think are at the very bottom of the list. They have little impact if any. But they've become basically something that people feel like they have to do or want to do it. If they want to do it, go ahead."

...Dr. Osterholm ended his discussion about masks on The Morning News with Dave Lee by saying they just aren't that helpful in normal public places.

"I can tell you right now I don't believe that they play any major role in either preventing me from getting infected if I use it or if I am infected and don't know it. I don't have any symptoms. They don't protect those around me from using it."

Coronavirus expert Dr. Osterholm questions guidelines on cloth masks, says they don't stand up to virus' air assault

With the news of Mayo Clinic, Costco and all major American airlines now making facemasks mandatory, American's are racing to buy or make masks at a record pace. One COVID-19 expert says that they may not be necessary.

wccoradio.radio.com

The article is from May 4th, but considering Covid is still a virus there isn't a change in thinking about the masks due to the partical size.

 

[CoolBrees]

I agree with Chuck.

while those might be viable and valid reasons for someone who is just a Machiavellian sociopath, Trump’s a narcissist uber alles.

being sick is weak. Getting captured or killed in battle is weak and for suckers and losers.

His image and marketing that image is all he has. His taxes show how much of a loser and horrible businessman he is but outwardly - I am the richest smartest developer ever!

His image can recover from a small bout with the virus....if he has enough time will be the questions there. But if he goes on a ventilator and the inevitable pictures of him with a tube down his throat come out, all of his bravado evaporates.

 

[JimEverett]

In my hospital, from an anecdotal aspect, our fatality rate is falling, our vent use is falling. I am not privy to what the doctors are doing exactly, but I can see that our hospitalized patients are less likely to need a vent now versus April. And much more likely to survive versus April. So I question the assertion that nothing has been learned about treating the virus. It seems clear to me that they are learning how to manage severe disease.

I am sure that explains a lot.
But I also wonder about other things as well:
1 - the most vulnerable are taking higher precautions;
2 - there are different strains of the virus and the one prevalent now (at least here in Tennessee) seems less deadly.
And of course, what has been talked about since after Memorial Day - younger people are getting the virusat a much higher rate than in the winter and early spring.

 

[DaveXA]

I absolutely would put it past him, inconceivable. The man has clinical narcissism, being president and having rallies and all of that is a narcissist's heaven. There's no way he would ever choose to leave that.

True dat. Just fodder from me anyway, heh.

 

[coldseat]

I read earlier here that it was an indication that he is now taking the virus seriously. It does not fit his writing pattern and word usage.

Yes, it’s very likely that Tweet was written by staff. But with his consent, no doubt. I think people are hoping he takes it more seriously going forward, but there’s no proof of that just yet.

I think he's always taken the virus seriously as it regards his own safety. That's why he always kept his distance from his followers at rallies and all of the testing around the president. That they used Covid-19 instead of "China virus" in his announcement tweet shows that, whether or not he wrote it himself. Even in past tweets that he didn't write himself, they always used "China virus", so that fact that they didn't shows a change of tone.

 

[DaveXA]

Have you had a chance to read this Atlantic article yet?

The Election That Could Break America

If the vote is close, Donald Trump could easily throw the election into chaos and subvert the result. Who will stop him?

www.theatlantic.com

If your speculation were to be true, I don’t think you funnel enormous sums of money, while you are facing potential criminal charges and bankruptcy, into a secretive backroom strategy involving expensive lawyers and surrogates to attempt to overturn the democratic processes governing your re-election if you fail to win fairly.

Yeah, true. I was spitballing more than anything else. It was just a thought that crossed my mind, that's all.

 

[MT15]

I am sure that explains a lot.
But I also wonder about other things as well:
1 - the most vulnerable are taking higher precautions;
2 - there are different strains of the virus and the one prevalent now (at least here in Tennessee) seems less deadly.
And of course, what has been talked about since after Memorial Day - younger people are getting the virusat a much higher rate than in the winter and early spring.

Yes, those would be other reasons. But the people in the hospital are in the same age groups as April and I do see better recovery. A different strain is possible, but I saw at least one study saying the virus hasn’t mutated yet in a significant way. The viral load you are exposed to does seem to have a true correlation with severity of disease, and that’s where mask wearing comes in.