President Trump and First Lady have tested positive for Virus (Update: Trump to undergo televised ‘medical exam’ Friday night) (1 Viewer)

[MT15]

 

[SaintForLife]

The thing is that Obama and his administration learned a lot of lessons from H1N1. They translated those lessons into concrete policies and procedures to address future pandemics. They jumped on the Ebola virus outbreak and applied those learned lessons with the UN and other counties to stop the spread of the Ebola virus. The left a pandemic response team in place and personally advised Trump and his administration to pay attention to pandemics.

Trump and his administration took office and basically ignored those hard learned lessons and dismantled all of that infrastructure that had been put in place to address future pandemics aggressively. We as a nation are paying for those decisions now. In this situation, it's completely fair to blame Trump and his administration for a disastrous response that has caused many more lives than otherwise would have been lost.

That's incorrect because Ebola isn't very contagious although it's very lethal. Ebola wasn't even close to a worldwide pandemic and the cases were mostly confined to the area around the initial outbreak.

 

[MT15]

That's incorrect because Ebola isn't very contagious although it's very lethal. Ebola wasn't even close to a worldwide pandemic and the cases were mostly confined to the area around the initial outbreak.

That one point doesn’t invalidate the rest of his post. The rest of what he said is definitely true.

 

[UriUT]

The University of Minnesota's Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy Dr. Michael Osterholm says that despite guidelines to the contrary, masks for the general public just don't help all that much.

"We know that the virus can be transmitted by what we call air assaults, its the tiniest of particles. If anything comes in along the side of the mask or escapes that way, then it really minimizes both to protection for the individual who used the mask or the protection for others so that if I'm infected, I don't transmit to them. That's when you get into the surgical masks and to the cloth masks. And quite honestly, the data for both is lacking that they are major impediments, and he's getting infected or infecting others."

.. For most consumers, and even some frontline healthcare workers, N95 masks aren't available and they are only left with surgical masks. Dr. Osterholm says that those are better than nothing.

"People want to wear a mask. That's great. But I think we're going to show in the end that many more health care workers were infected by working with only surgical masks and not N95 [masks]. I realize and understand the shortage of N95. I get that [surgical masks] are better than nothing, but I don't think that it offers anywhere near the protection that we need for this virus.

"The next time you see the sunlight, peer through your room in your home and you see all that dust floating there, that's an air assault. When you and I just talk, we create those."

..."Cloth masks, I think are at the very bottom of the list. They have little impact if any. But they've become basically something that people feel like they have to do or want to do it. If they want to do it, go ahead."

...Dr. Osterholm ended his discussion about masks on The Morning News with Dave Lee by saying they just aren't that helpful in normal public places.

"I can tell you right now I don't believe that they play any major role in either preventing me from getting infected if I use it or if I am infected and don't know it. I don't have any symptoms. They don't protect those around me from using it."

Coronavirus expert Dr. Osterholm questions guidelines on cloth masks, says they don't stand up to virus' air assault

With the news of Mayo Clinic, Costco and all major American airlines now making facemasks mandatory, American's are racing to buy or make masks at a record pace. One COVID-19 expert says that they may not be necessary.

wccoradio.radio.com

The article is from May 4th, but considering Covid is still a virus there isn't a change in thinking about the masks due to the partical size.

It is not about the virus size but the respiratory droplets the virus resides. Having varying degree of masks prevents portion of those droplets from projecting. You do realize that virus are so tiny that it takes a electron microscope to view them?

That's incorrect because Ebola isn't very contagious although it's very lethal. Ebola wasn't even close to a worldwide pandemic and the cases were mostly confined to the area around the initial outbreak.

ebola is highly contagious. It’s symptoms however is quicker to evolve and therefore more easily detected. Similarly to sars. That is why transmission was more easily contained.

 

[efil4]

In my hospital, from an anecdotal aspect, our fatality rate is falling, our vent use is falling. I am not privy to what the doctors are doing exactly, but I can see that our hospitalized patients are less likely to need a vent now versus April. And much more likely to survive versus April. So I question the assertion that nothing has been learned about treating the virus. It seems clear to me that they are learning how to manage severe disease.

I cannot say for sure as im not the researchers, but there is locally, a research facility that seems to think the current strain is not as damaging as the initial strain introduced in January. ( i posted about this on EE board back in late July )

couple that with therapies, and you see a much lower severe rate.

 

[coldseat]

That's incorrect because Ebola isn't very contagious although it's very lethal. Ebola wasn't even close to a worldwide pandemic and the cases were mostly confined to the area around the initial outbreak.

H1N1 wasn't as deadly as Covid-19 is. But one of the primary lesson and prediction that came out of those pandemics was that there would be a virus that was both as contagious as H1N1(more so in the case of Covid-19) and as deadly as Ebola. It was a matter of "when" not "if" and that we had to be prepared for it and ready to act. Those preparations where made and then quickly dismissed by Trump when he took office. Ignorance doesn't pay off.

 

[wardorican]

 

[MT15]

Whew

 

[JimEverett]

Amazing how simple it is to show some class. Good job, Joe.

 

[DaveXA]

Sounds Presidential. This should be what's considered normal from our leaders.

 

[Foreign National]

Does the secret service and others in charge of protecting the president not test him and others around him everyday? Or is it possible he and others just refuse to get tested as often as his handlers would like?

 

[MT15]

We are told that the President gets tested every day. They use the Abbott rapid test though, which is not the most accurate test out there.

 

[brandon]

The article is from May 4th, but considering Covid is still a virus there isn't a change in thinking about the masks due to the partical size.

Incorrect. More research was conducted and there was absolutely a change in thinking regarding mask usage.

The virus is often contained in respiratory droplets, the vast majority of which are large enough to be trapped by cloth masks.

Can face masks help slow the spread of the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) that causes COVID-19? Yes, face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing, help slow the spread of the virus.


So why weren't face masks recommended at the start of the pandemic? At that time, experts didn't know the extent to which people with COVID-19 could spread the virus before symptoms appeared. Nor was it known that some people have COVID-19 but don't have any symptoms. Both groups can unknowingly spread the virus to others.

These discoveries led public health groups to do an about-face on face masks. The World Health Organization and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) now include face masks in their recommendations for slowing the spread of the virus. The CDC recommends cloth face masks for the public and not the surgical and N95 masks needed by health care providers.

Can face masks protect against COVID-19?

Face masks can help slow the spread of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Learn about mask types, which masks to use and how to use them.

www.mayoclinic.org

 

[MT15]

The size of the virus really doesn't factor in, its the size of respiratory droplets. IIRC a surgical mask reduces the number of respiratory droplets that reach your system by about 60%. I am sure that is some sort of average, as there are lots of variables to say the least. Masks are an important tool in reducing the spread of the virus, especially with social distancing. I don’t think we should be downplaying the role of masks at all.

 

[SaintForLife]

In my hospital, from an anecdotal aspect, our fatality rate is falling, our vent use is falling. I am not privy to what the doctors are doing exactly, but I can see that our hospitalized patients are less likely to need a vent now versus April. And much more likely to survive versus April. So I question the assertion that nothing has been learned about treating the virus. It seems clear to me that they are learning how to manage severe disease.

I wouldn't say nothing has been learned about the virus, but there is still so much we don't know. I remember seeing an article that said a study had shown that Covid had already mutated twice and the most recent one was more contagious and less lethal. I'm not sure if that's still accurate.

 

[brandon]

Bidens are negative.

 

[SaintForLife]

That one point doesn’t invalidate the rest of his post. The rest of what he said is definitely true.

I was specifically talking about Ebola.

 

[CajuninVA]

The University of Minnesota's Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy Dr. Michael Osterholm says that despite guidelines to the contrary, masks for the general public just don't help all that much.

"We know that the virus can be transmitted by what we call air assaults, its the tiniest of particles. If anything comes in along the side of the mask or escapes that way, then it really minimizes both to protection for the individual who used the mask or the protection for others so that if I'm infected, I don't transmit to them. That's when you get into the surgical masks and to the cloth masks. And quite honestly, the data for both is lacking that they are major impediments, and he's getting infected or infecting others."

.. For most consumers, and even some frontline healthcare workers, N95 masks aren't available and they are only left with surgical masks. Dr. Osterholm says that those are better than nothing.

"People want to wear a mask. That's great. But I think we're going to show in the end that many more health care workers were infected by working with only surgical masks and not N95 [masks]. I realize and understand the shortage of N95. I get that [surgical masks] are better than nothing, but I don't think that it offers anywhere near the protection that we need for this virus.

"The next time you see the sunlight, peer through your room in your home and you see all that dust floating there, that's an air assault. When you and I just talk, we create those."

..."Cloth masks, I think are at the very bottom of the list. They have little impact if any. But they've become basically something that people feel like they have to do or want to do it. If they want to do it, go ahead."

...Dr. Osterholm ended his discussion about masks on The Morning News with Dave Lee by saying they just aren't that helpful in normal public places.

"I can tell you right now I don't believe that they play any major role in either preventing me from getting infected if I use it or if I am infected and don't know it. I don't have any symptoms. They don't protect those around me from using it."

Coronavirus expert Dr. Osterholm questions guidelines on cloth masks, says they don't stand up to virus' air assault

With the news of Mayo Clinic, Costco and all major American airlines now making facemasks mandatory, American's are racing to buy or make masks at a record pace. One COVID-19 expert says that they may not be necessary.

wccoradio.radio.com

The article is from May 4th, but considering Covid is still a virus there isn't a change in thinking about the masks due to the partical size.

The University of Minnesota's Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy Dr. Michael Osterholm says that despite guidelines to the contrary, masks for the general public just don't help all that much.

"We know that the virus can be transmitted by what we call air assaults, its the tiniest of particles. If anything comes in along the side of the mask or escapes that way, then it really minimizes both to protection for the individual who used the mask or the protection for others so that if I'm infected, I don't transmit to them. That's when you get into the surgical masks and to the cloth masks. And quite honestly, the data for both is lacking that they are major impediments, and he's getting infected or infecting others."

.. For most consumers, and even some frontline healthcare workers, N95 masks aren't available and they are only left with surgical masks. Dr. Osterholm says that those are better than nothing.

"People want to wear a mask. That's great. But I think we're going to show in the end that many more health care workers were infected by working with only surgical masks and not N95 [masks]. I realize and understand the shortage of N95. I get that [surgical masks] are better than nothing, but I don't think that it offers anywhere near the protection that we need for this virus.

"The next time you see the sunlight, peer through your room in your home and you see all that dust floating there, that's an air assault. When you and I just talk, we create those."

..."Cloth masks, I think are at the very bottom of the list. They have little impact if any. But they've become basically something that people feel like they have to do or want to do it. If they want to do it, go ahead."

...Dr. Osterholm ended his discussion about masks on The Morning News with Dave Lee by saying they just aren't that helpful in normal public places.

"I can tell you right now I don't believe that they play any major role in either preventing me from getting infected if I use it or if I am infected and don't know it. I don't have any symptoms. They don't protect those around me from using it."

Coronavirus expert Dr. Osterholm questions guidelines on cloth masks, says they don't stand up to virus' air assault

With the news of Mayo Clinic, Costco and all major American airlines now making facemasks mandatory, American's are racing to buy or make masks at a record pace. One COVID-19 expert says that they may not be necessary.

wccoradio.radio.com

The article is from May 4th, but considering Covid is still a virus there isn't a change in thinking about the masks due to the partical size.

CDC director says face masks may provide more protection than coronavirus vaccine


Face coverings are “the most powerful public health tool” the nation has against the coronavirus and might even provide better protection against it than a vaccine, the head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told lawmakers Wednesday.

“We have clear scientific evidence they work, and they are our best defense,” CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield said. “I might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against Covid than when I take a Covid vaccine.”



CDC Director on masks

 

[Krodwhodat]

We've talked about this before on the EE

If you bully a bully are you a bully?

What does it mean if you are hateful to someone who is hateful to you first?

I'm also not a huge fan of when the shoe is on the other foot NOW there's a call to be decent and kind and respectful and compassionate

"Please don't treat me the way I treated you, be better than me"

And suppose that's exactly what happens and roles switch again

It's possible that the original bully says, "I was terrible to you, when you had the chance to be terrible to me you weren't, I've learned my lesson and now that I'm in charge again I will be kind to you"

In my experience that rarely happens and what's far more likely to happen if he goes right back to acting like he did before and if anything thinks you're a sucker for not doing the same

The forgiveness and compassion is not only for them but for oneself as well. Spending your life full of anger and hatred at a person will not always allow you to think clearly or to be an example of the people around you to forgive. I teach my children as talked about in the bully thread that there is typically something wrong with the person doing the bullying and we should teach our children to forgive them and be the better person. What kind of parent would I be if I didn’t try to live my life the way I teach my kids. Everything we do and say reflects on the people who look up to us. My kids know how I feel about Trump and the way he treats people and the type of man he is, but I also teach them that it doesn’t give us the right to be ugly and mean to them. Sometimes we act like children and don’t look at perspective.