President Trump and First Lady have tested positive for Virus (Update: Trump to undergo televised ‘medical exam’ Friday night) (1 Viewer)

[MT15]

 

[SaintForLife]

SFL, are any of those conditions, or combinations of conditions, more predictive of outcomes than others? Or are you saying the poorest outcomes are only the people with all 4 conditions? I've always been curious about that, but it's never been clear to me. I think anecdotal examples from healthcare workers are actually as helpful as much of the other info I've heard.

From what I've seen the patients with those conditions are more likely to get very sick if they get severe shortness of breath. If they avoid the severe shortness of breath they usually end up staying off the ventilator.

Those 4 conditions are the most common for the patients that go on the ventilator, but it's not only limited to those 4 conditions. Dialysis or COPD patients are sometimes susceptible as well.

Even the patients that require high amounts of oxygen and even a BIPAP machine usually avoid the ventilators if they don't get the severe shortness of breath.

Those patients that have to get admitted and require high amounts of oxygen can still have short term or long term lung problems even if they don't require the ventilator.

 

[MT15]

Our infectious disease doc stresses the importance of wearing masks. For both protection of the people around you and self protection. He stresses it should preferably be surgical masks because N-95s are still not readily available and are saved for people actually working with the patients. The hospital doesn’t provide or expect staff who are caring for non-Covid patients to wear N-95s.

Wonder why we haven’t emphasized getting N-95s into everyone’s hands, if they are the only thing that works? I think the answer is that regular masks provide enough protection in everyday life. There has been some evidence provided that surgical masks lower the viral load so that even if you do get exposed it will lead to a milder case of the disease.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

I find this stuff sort of interesting. Apparently yesterday a pair of E6-B Mercury aircraft popped up on flight tracking data/transponder apps, one on the east coast and one on the west. The US DOD uses these to transmit command information to naval vessels and assets at sea, including nuclear forces. The speculation is that they were flying to provide "be alert" instructions (or perhaps a defense condition change) resulting from the president's Covid diagnosis - in the event that an adversary were to view this is as some kind of strike opportunity. Also, these flights being visible on civilian systems is, by speculation, intentional to let observers (at those adversaries) know that we were doing it (sending alert/condition orders).

Pentagon says it's just a coincidence, but there's really nothing wrong with it being what the analysts suggest it is. That would make sense.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...mpts-pentagon-to-deploy-nuclear-command-plane

Believe it or not, those planes are up 24-7, I used to see them all the time cause I was stationed along their route.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

Politicians can't control a worldwide airborne pandemic no matter how many times you say so.

The US had 60 million cases on H1N1 under Obama and we were extremely lucky that it wasn't as lethal as Covid.

Former Biden chief of staff Ron Klain said at Texas A&M in 2019: “We did every possible thing wrong. Sixty million Americans got H1N1 in that period of time, and it is just purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass-casualty events in American history. [It] had nothing to do with us doing anything right; just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918. Just go back to 2009, 2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math.”

Opinion | The Obama-Biden Virus Response

If H1N1 had proved as deadly as Covid-19, it could have killed nearly two million.

www.wsj.com

Actually, we know that they can have a profound effect on how deadly the virus can be in those given countries.

And your piece simply reinforces how unforgivable this administration’s inaction, politicization, and outright criminally toxic handling of this pandemic is.

This administration had everything in their favor to be one of the better responders to this virus in the world.

We had major learned experience that was meticulously passed on from a previous administration. As you note, and as has been cited in transition reporting.

We had the good fortune of having months of warning and ongoing examples to learn from to allow our country to adapt and take the best possible preparatory actions and start fostering in the citizenry the needed mindset to tackle the virus structurally and socially.

We had the wealth and resources to have best-in-class responses and to mitigate a large amount of the economic harm that would come from taking the necessary steps to control the spread of this virus.

We had state governors and citizens looking for and pleading for national direction and leadership so they could offload some of the burden they were ill equipped to deal with and for many, mostly Republicans, so that they would not bear the brunt of the responsibility for taking necessary short term actions.

On Every. Single. Front. This administration not only failed to lead or take to good use those advantages, but ignored, actively undermined and even worked counter to those pillars.

So don’t give me this inevitability blame shifting bullshirt. 4% of the worlds population and 20% of the deaths. On the precipice of yet another resurgence without a federal response or strategy in place. This incident is honestly a perfect microcosm of this administration’s handling of the virus, and it’s defenders. Endless disinformation, zero personal accountability, poor example setting, no leadership, constant deflection, blame shifting, that all culminates in the predictable harmful outcome his detractors and scientists warned of. All followed up by the predictable outcome, where his supporters, unable to admit they have been intellectually and morally swindled, rush to rationalize the situation and massage the reality back into the framework they are comfortable with. Starting the cycle back over like some real life rogue-like game with actual deadly consequences.

 

[SaintForLife]

and we honestly dont know if he has 4 of 4.

Fact is, he will get the care and expertise of just about every top doc in the field.

He can get the best care in the world, but it won't necessarily stop Covid from doing what it's going to do. The doctor's have limited resources against Covid and aren't always sure what might have helped a patient recover.

They usually just throw the Covid cocktail at them and hope it helps: Dexamethasone, 5 days of Remdesivir(10 days for the sicker patient's) and convalescent plasma.

 

[Nebaghead]

Masks lower risk and that is a fact, no arguments against that. Does it eliminate it, no.
Research and results from municipalities who implemented mask mandates show reduced infections.

 

[coldseat]

Politicians can't control a worldwide airborne pandemic no matter how many times you say so.

The US had 60 million cases on H1N1 under Obama and we were extremely lucky that it wasn't as lethal as Covid.

Former Biden chief of staff Ron Klain said at Texas A&M in 2019: “We did every possible thing wrong. Sixty million Americans got H1N1 in that period of time, and it is just purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass-casualty events in American history. [It] had nothing to do with us doing anything right; just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918. Just go back to 2009, 2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math.”

Opinion | The Obama-Biden Virus Response

If H1N1 had proved as deadly as Covid-19, it could have killed nearly two million.

www.wsj.com

The thing is that Obama and his administration learned a lot of lessons from H1N1. They translated those lessons into concrete policies and procedures to address future pandemics. They jumped on the Ebola virus outbreak and applied those learned lessons with the UN and other counties to stop the spread of the Ebola virus. The left a pandemic response team in place and personally advised Trump and his administration to pay attention to pandemics.

Trump and his administration took office and basically ignored those hard learned lessons and dismantled all of that infrastructure that had been put in place to address future pandemics aggressively. We as a nation are paying for those decisions now. In this situation, it's completely fair to blame Trump and his administration for a disastrous response that has caused many more lives than otherwise would have been lost.

 

[efil4]

He can get the best care in the world, but it won't necessarily stop Covid from doing what it's going to do. The doctor's have limited resources against Covid and aren't always sure what might have helped a patient recover.

They usually just throw the Covid cocktail at them and hope it helps: Dexamethasone, 5 days of Remdesivir(10 days for the sicker patient's) and convalescent plasma.

you may wanna research monoclonal antibodies.

 

[MT15]

In my hospital, from an anecdotal aspect, our fatality rate is falling, our vent use is falling. I am not privy to what the doctors are doing exactly, but I can see that our hospitalized patients are less likely to need a vent now versus April. And much more likely to survive versus April. So I question the assertion that nothing has been learned about treating the virus. It seems clear to me that they are learning how to manage severe disease.

 

[zztop]

"it is what it is"

this is about as far as my sympathy goes for him

 

[bdb13]

In my hospital, from an anecdotal aspect, our fatality rate is falling, our vent use is falling. I am not privy to what the doctors are doing exactly, but I can see that our hospitalized patients are less likely to need a vent now versus April. And much more likely to survive versus April. So I question the assertion that nothing has been learned about treating the virus. It seems clear to me that they are learning how to manage severe disease.

And which furthers the idea that if better efforts were put into mitigation and leveling with the public early on, just maybe some of those people who died earlier on wouldn't have contracted the virus at that time and would have survived had their infection occurred a few months later.

 

[Eeyore]

I don't think that he has it. I think that he's going to use this to duck out on the debates and distract from his taxes and debt. He may even use this to call for delaying the election. He'll be on the picture box every day to show that he's doing well but hasn't tested negative so he's quarantining for the greater good. Then he'll say that hydroxychloroquine precented this from being serious and he'll be even more revered by his supporters.

 

[MT15]

And which furthers the idea that if better efforts were put into mitigation and leveling with the public early on, just maybe some of those people who died earlier on wouldn't have contracted the virus at that time and would have survived had their infection occurred a few months later.

Yes, exactly, IMO almost any doctor you ask would say that the best thing is to put off getting a novel virus as long as you can. Absent not getting it at all, of course.

Some of the damage is caused by the bodies own immune response. We know now that the virus is basically a blood vessel disease, that affect coagulation, heart function, liver function. It just so happens that the lungs are very rich fields of blood vessels, and can be severely affected. But some people escape the lung involvement only to have cardiac involvement or a stroke.

 

[superchuck500]

I don't think that he has it. I think that he's going to use this to duck out on the debates and distract from his taxes and debt. He may even use this to call for delaying the election. He'll be on the picture box every day to show that he's doing well but hasn't tested negative so he's quarantining for the greater good. Then he'll say that hydroxychloroquine precented this from being serious and he'll be even more revered by his supporters.

I keeping seeing various versions of this, but this is a man who refuses to get a dog because he thinks it makes him look silly. This is a man who refuses to wear a mask because it makes him look weak. He has his doctors write these notes about his health that are so ridiculous that they're clearly false.

While there's various scenarios about how Trump claiming to have Covid could be a strategy play, I just think that claiming to have gotten Covid is not in Trump's DNA. He would never claim to have a disease he doesn't have. That's weakness, in his view.

 

[Nebaghead]

I keeping seeing various versions of this, but this is a man who refuses to get a dog because he thinks it makes him look silly. This is a man who refuses to wear a mask because it makes him look weak. He has his doctors write these notes about his health that are so ridiculous that they're clearly false.

While there's various scenarios about how Trump claiming to have Covid could a strategy play, I just think that claiming to have gotten Covid is not in Trump's DNA. He would never claim to have a disease he doesn't have. That's weakness, in his view.

I heard some of the audio from him yesterday at the fundraiser and he sounded hoarse. You could tell something was up.

 

[MT15]

It’s just crazy that he has destroyed his credibility to that point.

 

[bdb13]

I keeping seeing various versions of this, but this is a man who refuses to get a dog because he thinks it makes him look silly. This is a man who refuses to wear a mask because it makes him look weak. He has his doctors write these notes about his health that are so ridiculous that they're clearly false.

While there's various scenarios about how Trump claiming to have Covid could a strategy play, I just think that claiming to have gotten Covid is not in Trump's DNA. He would never claim to have a disease he doesn't have. That's weakness, in his view.

To add, there's not a chance in hell that he would leave the campaign trail for a week or two right now just for the hell of it.

 

[DaveXA]

I keeping seeing various versions of this, but this is a man who refuses to get a dog because he thinks it makes him look silly. This is a man who refuses to wear a mask because it makes him look weak. He has his doctors write these notes about his health that are so ridiculous that they're clearly false.

While there's various scenarios about how Trump claiming to have Covid could a strategy play, I just think that claiming to have gotten Covid is not in Trump's DNA. He would never claim to have a disease he doesn't have. That's weakness, in his view.

Yeah, I agree. From a pure personality perspective, it's just so out of the realm of his DNA that he would admit he's infected. So I'd be pretty shocked that he's making this up. The only scenario I can see where this was fabricated is if someone convinced him it was a good idea, which I have my doubts would have happened.