President Trump and First Lady have tested positive for Virus (Update: Trump to undergo televised ‘medical exam’ Friday night) (1 Viewer)

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[N.O.Bronco]

Pelosi wasn't negotiating with Trump though, was she? It was her and Mnuchin.
I figure those talks won't stop and either Pelosi or whoever's next in seniority will continue. We just won't have to listen to Nancy try to submarine Joe and the entire progressive wing.

The idea of Trump having either the knowledge base or attention span to negotiate the granularity of policy is rather amusing.

But IMO, and 4 years backs me up on this, nothing involving economic spending, outside of a panic moment, is getting passed under Republicans unless it is a bill that’s predominant target and net effect is a protection scheme or major wealth transfer for rich people or favored businesses. If that is the case they will gladly party line vote it and get it going to Donald swiftly, if it’s for anything else they have no urgency or motivation.

 

[DaveXA]

Pelosi wasn't negotiating with Trump though, was she? It was her and Mnuchin.
I figure those talks won't stop and either Pelosi or whoever's next in seniority will continue. We just won't have to listen to Nancy try to submarine Joe and the entire progressive wing.

Yeah, from what I understand, there are 4 or 5 key players negotiating. Of course, the technology is there for them to continue negotiating if their symptoms are mild. If serious, well that's an entirely different scenario.

And of course, it's not Trump negotiating directly, but he does have a direct line and influence with Mnuchin, so that's a factor.

 

[FullMonte]

Ok, let me be VERY CLEAR in saying that I hope Mr. Trump and Melania recover from this without any long lasting effects.

With that said, something came up organically in a conversation about this situation, and I thought I'd come here to see if anyone had insight.

From a procedural standpoint: If Trump and Pence were both hospitalized due to COVID-19, and Pelosi became acting president during that time, could she rescind the nomination of Amy Barrett?

 

[bdb13]

Those people are showing their true colors and a few have already done that before when they wished for the death of their political opponents. "Trump is a horrible person, but hopefully he dies" is not a good look.

Anyone of note that you're referring to or just Twitter people?

 

[Goatman saint]

Im not hoping he dies, I’m not that bad. But would karma giving him a really bad case of it where he is absolutely miserable for a couple of weeks warm my heart? Sure it would.

 

[DaveXA]

Ok, let me be VERY CLEAR in saying that I hope Mr. Trump and Melania recover from this without any long lasting effects.

With that said, something came up organically in a conversation about this situation, and I thought I'd come here to see if anyone had insight.

From a procedural standpoint: If Trump and Pence were both hospitalized due to COVID-19, and Pelosi became acting president during that time, could she rescind the nomination of Amy Barrett?

Hospitalization doesn't necessarily mean incapacitated, but yeah, if both were incapacitated, that would indeed be an interesting scenario. Hopefully it doesn't get to that point because I think chaos would ensue at that point.

I'd rather we have a conclusive election result and get through the rest of 2020 in one piece.

 

[bdb13]

Im not hoping he dies, I’m not that bad. But would karma giving him a really bad case of it where he is absolutely miserable for a couple of weeks warm my heart? Sure it would.

My dad is 60 and just went through it for two weeks and it was pretty, pretty rough on him, but he's OK.

Trump will have the best available treatment but it could certainly still be rough for him.

 

[efil4]

Anyone of note that you're referring to or just Twitter people?

No one here said they hope he died.

He just looking for an "in" to the conversation and that "spark" for outrage at the Dems. Thats all. Its why he quoted ONE post on a thread with 96 posts.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

Well, I would hope you know me well enough (as a poster) to know that I don't have a need to virtue signal for anyone. Who would I exactly be doing that for on these boards anyway? I think two things can be true at once. Do I have pity for the President contracting the virus? No, he has been sowing those seeds to this country's detriment for some time now. Am I happy or relieved or excited about the President having this virus and possibly dying from it? No. I don't believe him being irreparably sick or dying serves this country well in the short term or is even a net positive long term. As a black man, I needed to see this country voting him out of office, decidedly if possible, and as a civillian him facing real world repercussions for any alleged crimes he may have committed. A Pence Presidency, made up of the very sycophants who enabled his regime, doesn't instill any confidence in me of any possible "gains" short term and him dying as a martyr, to his base, doesn't heal or mend what ails us long term. Now, will I be wishing him a speedy recovery, or offering thoughts and prayers or wishing him well during this time? No. I don't particularly like the guy (I mean I called him a racist scumbag two nights ago) and his attitude towards this virus, those victims of it, his handling of the crisis and his general forkery towards anything covid has garnered very little sympathy with me for him personally and you won't see me offering fake condolences to match that.

My concern is for the country. Will it be poetic justice if the same virus he bullshits over, that took so many lives, takes his own? Perhaps. Probably. But who he is, not Donald Trump, but President of the United States, changes the stakes, and him passing from this could have unforseen consequences, the likes of which, i personally, wasn't ready to take a victory lap over last night. This morning? I have mixed feelings about it.

In any event, I ended my initial post with IMHO. My opinion, amongst the chorus of others. I didn't quote anyone so I certainly wasn't lecturing or pointing the finger or telling others how to feel. It was just my perspective. @CoolBrees specifically responded and asked why I felt that way and I offered reasons why.

That’s a completely reasonable take and to be clear the virtue signaling part was not aimed at you, but more as a general commentary about the socio-political cycle this country and often this board launders itself with.

I personally stand by the opinion of several other posters that the concern over short term instability or medium term consequences is extremely low, if not slightly better than we otherwise would be given just how poor his management and leadership is.

However, the sense that this comes from a place rooted in fear of foreign opportunistic action or internal government instability seems like Tom Clancy fantasy realm to me. No offense. The immediate deployment of E6-B planes to key strategic positions(setting aside the larger existential questions about a nation and species that’s immediate response to a sick leader is position the planes that can literally kill all life on the planet to be on the ready) speaks to the capacity for America to act just fine in terms of its own self defense and deterrent capacity while its inept leader takes some sick days. And we have already seen that internally Trump’s day to day meddling is more harm than anything. When he loses focus of a wing of the government it largely just goes on autopilot with a bit of a heaping of corruption and cruelty that his appointments bring with them, I don’t expect that to change much. Except in this case we get to do with a bit less incompetent or corrupt meddling on the part of the president for a week or few.

 

[bdb13]

No one here said they hope he died.

He just looking for an "in" to the conversation and that "spark" for outrage at the Dems. Thats all. Its why he quoted ONE post on a thread with 96 posts.

I didn't think anyone here had. Obviously it's happened on Twitter with a random arse people, but I didn't know if he was referring to something beyond that.

 

[SaintForLife]

There is a big forking difference between being actively and purposefully abhorrently cruel and imposing pain, suffering, and unnecessary death on innocent or vulnerable people and being someone taking a moment of relief that said person reaped what they sowed to enjoy some gallows humor.

Don’t give me that shirt.

207,000 people are dead because of this man’s disgusting narcissistic behavior and many more to come, and he may have knowingly become a super spreader by not following the basic science beaten into us for 6 months by his own government.

So take that both sides shirt elsewhere.

Politicians can't control a worldwide airborne pandemic no matter how many times you say so.

The US had 60 million cases on H1N1 under Obama and we were extremely lucky that it wasn't as lethal as Covid.

Former Biden chief of staff Ron Klain said at Texas A&M in 2019: “We did every possible thing wrong. Sixty million Americans got H1N1 in that period of time, and it is just purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass-casualty events in American history. [It] had nothing to do with us doing anything right; just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918. Just go back to 2009, 2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math.”

Opinion | The Obama-Biden Virus Response

If H1N1 had proved as deadly as Covid-19, it could have killed nearly two million.

www.wsj.com

 

[CoolBrees]

I know today must be hard for one of our finer posters. Thoughts and prayers.

This article brings up some good points. At least the next debate more than likely isn’t going to happen. With a month until election and quarantine lasting a minimum of 14 days and all his rally’s cancelled this is going to hurt him.

‘This is the worst nightmare for the Trump campaign’

A president who once seemed impervious to October surprises is suddenly confronting one big enough to alter the election outcome.

www.politico.com

 

[SaintForLife]

Anyone of note that you're referring to or just Twitter people?

People on here, but the mods deleted the posts so I'm not going to go into details. It was a previous subject and not about Trump getting Covid.

 

[bdb13]

People on here, but the mods deleted the posts so I'm not going to go into details.

Gotcha.. didn't see it.

 

[efil4]

Politicians can't control a worldwide airborne pandemic no matter how many times you say so.

The US had 60 million cases on H1N1 under Obama and we were extremely lucky that it wasn't as lethal as Covid.

Former Biden chief of staff Ron Klain said at Texas A&M in 2019: “We did every possible thing wrong. Sixty million Americans got H1N1 in that period of time, and it is just purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass-casualty events in American history. [It] had nothing to do with us doing anything right; just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that can’t happen again, they don’t have to go back to 1918. Just go back to 2009, 2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math.”

Opinion | The Obama-Biden Virus Response

If H1N1 had proved as deadly as Covid-19, it could have killed nearly two million.

www.wsj.com

which BEGS the question - if this info was readily available to YOU on Google....why didnt the Administration take it seriously?

Science disagrees with your premise. Masking and social distancing absolutely helps control.

We lacked that message from day 1. So take your faux outrage and start your own thread.

 

[SaintForLife]

Gotcha.. didn't see it.

I edited my post after your response but it was a previous subject and not about Trump getting Covid.

 

[SaintForLife]

which BEGS the question - if this info was readily available to YOU on Google....why didnt the Administration take it seriously?

Science disagrees with your premise. Masking and social distancing absolutely helps control.

We lacked that message from day 1. So take your faux outrage and start your own thread.

You know a surgical mask does almost nothing to control an airborne virus right? It's better than nothing but that's not saying much.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

get through the rest of 2020 in one piece.

Now THATS funny.. I’d say the odds of that are very long, to say the least.