President Trump and First Lady have tested positive for Virus (Update: Trump to undergo televised ‘medical exam’ Friday night) (1 Viewer)

[MT15]

 

[bdb13]

which BEGS the question - if this info was readily available to YOU on Google....why didnt the Administration take it seriously?

Science disagrees with your premise. Masking and social distancing absolutely helps control.

We lacked that message from day 1. So take your faux outrage and start your own thread.

It couldn't have been prevented, but there were mitigation options available that we didn't take advantage of early on and we had an administration that didn't level with the public on the threat level of the virus..

So while there certainly would have been thousands and thousands of deaths in this country almost no matter what, I think it's also a near certainty that with better leadership the number would be lower than it is today.

 

[bdb13]

You know a surgical mask does almost nothing to control an airborne virus right? It's better than nothing but that's not saying much.

You may know more about the stuff than me, but you don't think there's anything to the viral load thing they talk about and the masks possibly helping to mitigate that?

 

[DaveXA]

Now THATS funny.. I’d say the odds of that are very long, to say the least.

Yeah, ikr. Lol. Where's that Jim Carrey "so there's a chance" gif when you need it?

 

[MT15]

He doesn’t know more than you, Brandon, don’t sell yourself short.

 

[efil4]

You know a surgical mask does almost nothing to control an airborne virus right? It's better than nothing but that's not saying much.

More lies. Guess you simply dont get tired of being woefully incorrect.

I assume at this moment, you are frantically dredging up brietbart and rt opinion pieces to support your stance.

When it has been talked about ad nauseam that masks REDUCE the expelling of the virus, reducing viral load in the air.

Proven thru science and application.

 

[Optimus Prime]

One thing this will show us is that a lot of people who hate him for how he treats people or what he says will show everyone they are no different than he is. It doesn’t take a lot to be a compassionate decent human being regardless of who the person you show compassion to is. Because someone is a piece of shirt doesn’t make it ok for you to act like one also. With that said I pray he and his family a speedy recovery and that they come away unscathed.

We've talked about this before on the EE

If you bully a bully are you a bully?

What does it mean if you are hateful to someone who is hateful to you first?

I'm also not a huge fan of when the shoe is on the other foot NOW there's a call to be decent and kind and respectful and compassionate

"Please don't treat me the way I treated you, be better than me"

And suppose that's exactly what happens and roles switch again

It's possible that the original bully says, "I was terrible to you, and when you had the chance to be terrible to me you weren't, I've learned my lesson and now that I'm in charge again I will be kind to you"

In my experience that rarely happens and what's far more likely to happen is he goes right back to acting like he did before and if anything thinks you're a sucker for not doing the same

 

[SaintForLife]

Heard just now on TV that President Trump is mildly symptomatic.

This is anecdotal, but the most common symptoms that I've seen with Covid patient's that get very sick at my hospital are extremely overweight, older patients, diabetes, and hypertension. Those patient's go on the ventilator and never make it off. I've seen very few patient's even make it off the ventilators and the few that have have severe neurological or respiratory problems.

Trump has 2 of those 4.

 

[efil4]

It couldn't have been prevented, but there were mitigation options available that we didn't take advantage of early on and we had an administration that didn't level with the public on the threat level of the virus..

So while there certainly would have been thousands and thousands of deaths in this country almost no matter what, I think it's also a near certainty that with better leadership the number would be lower than it is today.

it was on a silver platter for Trump- the ONE moment to UNIFY the country against a common threat.

What did he do? Downplayed it as no threat at all.

My 11 year old can grasp what a "threat" is. If she is walking along with her classmates and spots a snake, she says "snake! watch out!" to them.

she doesnt say " hey yall , i know you see that snake, but its really not a snake, and if it is, its certainly not going to hurt you".

 

[SaintForLife]

He doesn’t know more than you, Brandon, don’t sell yourself short.

Considering I work with Covid patients directly on a daily basis I would say I do. I'm not a doctor or an epidemiologist and I don't claim to know everything, but I have a good base of knowledge about Covid.

 

[bdb13]

He doesn’t know more than you, Brandon, don’t sell yourself short.

He just replied , but I think

Considering I work with Covid patients directly on a daily basis I would say I do. I'm not a doctor or an epidemiologist and I don't claim to know everything, but I have a good base of knowledge about Covid.

I thought you worked in the hospital or something which is why I said that.

 

[DaveXA]

It couldn't have been prevented, but there were mitigation options available that we didn't take advantage of early on and we had an administration that didn't level with the public on the threat level of the virus..

So while there certainly would have been thousands and thousands of deaths in this country almost no matter what, I think it's also a near certainty that with better leadership the number would be lower than it is today.

Yeah. What it would have looked like under a different President and/or scenario is open for debate, and i don't think we'll ever know fully. But, it's clear that our mitigation efforts left a lot to be desired. How much of that can be laid at the President's feet is an open question. I'm convinced most of those not participating in mitigation efforts wouldn't have participated regardless. They have never liked being told what to do in any case, so that would have been the case in any scenario.

 

[TaylorB]

This is anecdotal, but the most common symptoms that I've seen with Covid patient's that get very sick at my hospital are extremely overweight, older patients, diabetes, and hypertension. Those patient's go on the ventilator and never make it off. I've seen very few patient's even make it off the ventilators and the few that have have severe neurological or respiratory problems.

Trump has 2 of those 4.

SFL, are any of those conditions, or combinations of conditions, more predictive of outcomes than others? Or are you saying the poorest outcomes are only the people with all 4 conditions? I've always been curious about that, but it's never been clear to me. I think anecdotal examples from healthcare workers are actually as helpful as much of the other info I've heard.

 

[efil4]

This is anecdotal, but the most common symptoms that I've seen with Covid patient's that get very sick at my hospital are extremely overweight, older patients, diabetes, and hypertension. Those patient's go on the ventilator and never make it off. I've seen very few patient's even make it off the ventilators and the few that have have severe neurological or respiratory problems.

Trump has 2 of those 4.

and we honestly dont know if he has 4 of 4.

Fact is, he will get the care and expertise of just about every top doc in the field.

 

[SaintForLife]

You may know more about the stuff than me, but you don't think there's anything to the viral load thing they talk about and the masks possibly helping to mitigate that?

The surgical masks or cloth masks can't block the airborne particles due to their small size it can help some, but not much. N95 maks are the only masks that can block airborne particles. Social distancing and staying home are much more effective.

 

[Saintamaniac]

Quite frankly for me, if he dies, he dies. I'm not actively wishing for it to happen nor will I be at all sympathetic toward him or his family should the worst happen. You reap what you sow. I'm not going to pretend to have any kind of sympathy for someone who so easily decided that he had no problem risking the lives of all the people in this country to try to remain in office. 200K+ people have died that didn't need to if he cared anything about anyone in this country other than himself.

My feelings are personal. I have lost people due to the virus. I hold trump personally responsible for their deaths. I feel the same way toward trump getting Covid-19 as I would toward the killer of one of my family members. I'm perfectly comfortable feeling that way. I won't celebrate his demise should that happen. I will, however, show the same amount of sympathy that trump has shown for not only the victims of Covid-19, but also the men and women who have given the ultimate sacrifice for this country.

 

[NoPartyMike]

Trump giving the Trump Virus to Biden, then Biden kicking the bucket would be the most 2020 thing ever.

I said the same thing when news posted late last night. Stop the Earth, I want off the 2020 ride.

 

[efil4]

The surgical masks or cloth masks can't block the airborne particles due to their small size it can help some, but not much. N95 maks are the only masks that can block airborne particles. Social distancing and staying home are much more effective.

so which is it?

See this is where you lose many....you state " cant block" the particles....then say in same sentence "it can help some".

If it helps some, that means some of the particulates are being blocked, correct? so in essence, wearing mask helps. full stop.

 

[bdb13]

The surgical masks or cloth masks can't block the airborne particles due to their small size it can help some, but not much. N95 maks are the only masks that can block airborne particles. Social distancing and staying home are much more effective.

Yeah I knew the mask weren't the be all end all, but it's such an effortless thing to do that even if it only helps a little I'd have to imagine that you're still talking about a minimum of thousands of people less affected by the virus in the country and world than otherwise would be.