President Trump and First Lady have tested positive for Virus (Update: Trump to undergo televised ‘medical exam’ Friday night) (2 Viewers)

[MT15]

 

[Saint by the Bay]

But you do realize that those who do stand up and show lack of dignity and humanity have been pushed so far to the edge, this is all they can muster up, right?

This is EXACTLY HOW HE WAS ELECTED. HE SEIZED on those that felt marginalized...he made them relevant. Its ok to not give 2c if he lives or dies, because we all know we can quickly return to respect and humanity. Making a statement like NO Bronco did, doesnt dissuade me one bit. He feels quite strongly about this very subject and I can understand it ( im that way with the Military ). I dont look to denounce him just because he has had enough. IF thats his stance, so be it.

No one wants to hear " you can do better than that" when our own POTUS refuses to do the very same thing.

For whatever reason, this touches a nerve with him and i think everyone would do much better if they could find the understanding of that nerve, versus decrying his stance.

thats all.

You’re reading what happened wrong.

I spoke to how I choose to behave. That’s it, nothing else. I was then quoted with unhinged rants about my “virtue signaling” and other nonsense critical of my refusal to behave the same.

I don’t care how he chooses to behave. More power to him. He doesn’t matter one iota to me. I spoke of myself and my refusal to behave that way despite my complete disgust and contempt for Trump and the overwhelming majority of his supporters. The rest has been a response to the childish rants with a little childishness myself because I’m not above that.

 

[brandon]

Mr Biden needs to emphasize how much it would cost the average person to receive the same medical care Mr Trump did

I mean if they can get it down to $750 for a multi-day hospital stay, I'm pretty sure most Americans would go for that.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

And for the record I had the same conversation with my mother and wife this weekend, both of whom were wishing for his death. We had a more mature and reasonable discussion about it than this, but we certainly disagreed.

 

[brandon]

And for the record I had the same conversation with my mother and wife this weekend, both of whom were wishing for his death. We had a more mature and reasonable discussion about it than this, but we certainly disagreed.

While I'm certainly not wishing for his death, there's definitely a part of me that wishes he had to struggle a bit so he might learn a lesson and make better decisions for the country in the future..

I think that's largely what most people on my side of the aisle are feeling.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

White House housekeeping staff test positive for Covid.

More ACB event attendees. Dr. Feigl-Ding says that's 31 now.

Please have a speedy and swift recovery Trump. No one deserves the ill wishes that have been put upon you.

This is a time not to show empathy to the victims fed up living under and experiencing this horror, but to look at those victims and remind them how they need to be better.

...Am I doing it right yet?

 

[EmBeeFiveOhFour]

"I don't want to go backwards" is very reminiscent of when Mark McGwire wasn't there "to talk about the past" at the congressional hearings on steriods in baseball.

The doctor has clearly been instructed not to answer the question, and Trump's press secretary also refused to answer the question. So why is that? Is it because Trump tested positive earlier than Thursday, possibly even before the debate? Or is is because Trump hasn't actually been getting tested at all, even before the debate, while claiming that he is the most tested person on the face of the earth? (I think it's probably the second, given his many public statements about COVID cases only happening because people get tested for it.)

 

[Saint by the Bay]

While I'm certainly not wishing for his death, there's definitely a part of me that wishes he had to struggle a bit so he might learn a lesson and make better decisions for the country in the future..

I think that's largely what most people on my side of the aisle are feeling.

This is fair. I don’t think anything will ever get him to behave more responsibly. It’s not in his makeup. However, I think it’s fair to acknowledge the karmic/poetic justice in play here and hope it somehow penetrates his thick skull.

 

[coldseat]

And him being a self serving turd, does not a Bin Laden make... One was a calculated mass murderer... The other is dumb and negligent... there are lots of different people that can claim plenty of blame for the 200k + worth of deaths due to Covid in the US... to lay them all at the feet of Trump is blind hate / insanity... and to compare him to terrorist - well, let's just say you're reaching cult-level brain freeze at this point.

Trump and this administration response to Covid-19 wasn't dumb. It was very much calculated. They got good information from the NSA as to the seriousness of this virus and the potential impacts. Words were not menaced and Trump knew how serious it was. They made a political calculation that playing the threat of the virus down publicly was to their political advantage. They then created and played up a cultural division on mask wearing (something they're still doing today) that went directly against the science and the advice of their scientific advisors. Something that was crucial to getting control of the virus. That was a political calculation made by Trump as to what was better for his reelection. The death tally is still rising, largely because of their calculated choices and extreme negligence. They continue to make these political calculations because they don't want to look weak or turn course and look wrong by starting to address this pandemic seriously.

While I'm not hoping or wishing for them to suffer in a pain sense, I don't think it's wrong to want to see them fully suffer the consequences of their actions and negligence. They have already shown that even with a mild scare, they haven't learned or changed. But they're still at the beginning of this, so to want to see them really have to reap what they have sown is not wrong. That maybe the only way they finally stop making political calculations with fighting a virus.

 

[efil4]

You’re reading what happened wrong.

I spoke to how I choose to behave. That’s it, nothing else. I was then quoted with unhinged rants about my “virtue signaling” and other nonsense critical I’ve my refusal to behave the same.

I don’t care how he chooses to behave. More power to him. He doesn’t matter one iota to me. I spoke of myself and my refusal to behave that way despite my complete disgust and contempt for Trump and the overwhelming majority of his supporters. The rest has been a response to the childish rants with a little childishness myself because I’m not above that.

I dont think i am, but regardless, the two of you spent two pages going back n forth when it could have been 1-3 posts and then ended by either ignore or simply addressing other posts.

I am simply pointing out that this is EXACTLY how Trump operates. Pitting one against another. He has been doing this since his early days of development. Apprentice- is all about ONE winner. So eventually that winner will HAVE to make others look bad to accomplish what they want. This is exactly his MO.

All im saying is if we can recognize that some are driven to this level of disdain, either make an effort to understand it or simply let it go.

thats all.

 

[efil4]

"I don't want to go backwards" is very reminiscent of when Mark McGwire wasn't there "to talk about the past" at the congressional hearings on steriods in baseball.

The doctor has clearly been instructed not to answer the question, and Trump's press secretary also refused to answer the question. So why is that? Is it because Trump tested positive earlier than Thursday, possibly even before the debate? Or is is because Trump hasn't actually been getting tested at all, even before the debate, while claiming that he is the most tested person on the face of the earth? (I think it's probably the second, given his many public statements about COVID cases only happening because people get tested for it.)

So not out the woods, yet being discharged today at 630 to return to business as usual at the WH?

 

[superchuck500]

"I don't want to go backwards" is very reminiscent of when Mark McGwire wasn't there "to talk about the past" at the congressional hearings on steriods in baseball.

The doctor has clearly been instructed not to answer the question, and Trump's press secretary also refused to answer the question. So why is that? Is it because Trump tested positive earlier than Thursday, possibly even before the debate? Or is is because Trump hasn't actually been getting tested at all, even before the debate, while claiming that he is the most tested person on the face of the earth? (I think it's probably the second, given his many public statements about COVID cases only happening because people get tested for it.)

Ms. McEnany said yesterday that Trump's first positive test was Thursday. But they all refuse to answer when his last negative test was.

So provided that she's not lying (which you can't rule out because she's a habitual liar) the question of when his last negative test was is the right one. They have said numerous times that he is tested daily, if not multiple times a day. So if he wasn't tested on Tuesday or Wednesday, the question is why - did they know they were looking at an outbreak and wanted to be able to deny that he he knew he was positive?

Of course, we wouldn't have to engage in this kind of supposition if they would just answer the damn question.

 

[wardorican]

White House housekeeping staff test positive for Covid.

I wonder if they'll have use of the presidential suite at Walter Reed.....

I hope the staff have decent health care coverage, at the least.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

I dont think i am, but regardless, the two of you spent two pages going back n forth when it could have been 1-3 posts and then ended by either ignore or simply addressing other posts.

I am simply pointing out that this is EXACTLY how Trump operates. Pitting one against another. He has been doing this since his early days of development. Apprentice- is all about ONE winner. So eventually that winner will HAVE to make others look bad to accomplish what they want. This is exactly his MO.

All im saying is if we can recognize that some are driven to this level of disdain, either make an effort to understand it or simply let it go.

thats all.

This is fair. I’ll have to learn to let it go, because I’ll never be able to understand it.

 

[Foreign National]

This is fair. I don’t think anything will ever get him to behave more responsibly. It’s not in his makeup. However, I think it’s fair to acknowledge the karmic/poetic justice in play here and hope it somehow penetrates his thick skull.

I believe you are right. Mr Trump will die before acknowledging he is wrong about this virus. But the people need to see a very important person suffer greatly to help some of them take it seriously. If none of these important people suffer some people will begin to take it even less seriously.

 

[MT15]

I’ll admit to struggling with resisting the urge to hope he dies. He’s done so much damage to my country. And while it’s wrong to say that he’s responsible for all the Covid deaths, he is certainly responsible for a large number. If you took the death rate of Germany or even Italy and compared it to ours normalized by total population, I think it might be 100,000 unnecessary deaths. That’s a lot of families in pain and suffering. My own sister-in-law didn’t get to say goodbye to her husband, not that he directly died from Covid, but because the nursing home was on lockdown with a strict no visitors policy.

My son contracted the virus during the first week of school where he teaches in Missouri. This was largely because the governor is following Trump’s lead. It doesn’t matter the risk, we needed to open the schools.

And we watch this cruel clownish excuse for a human being having photographers, videographers, and hair dressers in every day. And deciding to go for a joy ride. It’s hard not to think he’s just evil.

I really don’t care if someone thinks I have no right to feel the way I do. Or calls it pompous or the same thing as what Trump is doing. I know in my heart I’m a much better person than he is.

 

[efil4]

Ms. McEnany said yesterday that Trump's first positive test was Thursday. But they all refuse to answer when his last negative test was.

So provided that she's not lying (which you can't rule out because she's a habitual liar) the question of when his last negative test was is the right one. They have said numerous times that he is tested daily, if not multiple times a day. So if he wasn't tested on Tuesday or Wednesday, the question is why - did they know they were looking at an outbreak and wanted to be able to deny that he he knew he was positive?

Of course, we wouldn't have to engage in this kind of supposition if they would just answer the damn question.

they cant asnwer the question because the answer is damning.

( i personally think this episode, a mere 30 days before election will be the final nail ) Just cannot go forward as a country with this man, and these people around him, at the helm.

Thank God for career politicos in/around Capitol Hill.

 

[wardorican]

I mean if they can get it down to $750 for a multi-day hospital stay, I'm pretty sure most Americans would go for that.

The non-insurance rate is somewhere between $7,000 - 15,000 per day. Not including Dr. Fees (per day), lab tests, diagnostics, radiology, etc.

With insurance, maybe $300-500/day? Maybe double. I'd have to look at our last hospital bill. Not what we paid, but what the insurance rate was..

 

[Taurus]

And him being a self serving turd, does not a Bin Laden make... One was a calculated mass murderer... The other is dumb and negligent... there are lots of different people that can claim plenty of blame for the 200k + worth of deaths due to Covid in the US... to lay them all at the feet of Trump is blind hate / insanity... and to compare him to terrorist - well, let's just say you're reaching cult-level brain freeze at this point.

Both. Both are calculated murderers. Trump deliberately created the shirtshow of a federal response because Covid was mainly killing blue voters. He let it get a foothold, then lied about it. The Woodward interviews are proof right from his Quisling mouth. Did DJT kill all 200,000? No, but in a world with proportional responsibility, he killed at least 50,000. He sits where the buck stops and didn't merely bungle, he intentionally bungled in order to hurt blue states and blue governors.

He let people die on purpose. Whether that warrants premeditated murder or just depraved indifference is up to you. Either way, in my eyes, he's a traitor and deserves the firing squad.