Moderates that voted for Biden in Virginia are now voting Republican. (1 Viewer)

[Paul]

The middle makes the difference once again. Why?

McAuliffe made an error with the school issue to appease the CRT crowd. A costly strategic error.

Terry McAuliffe’s War on Parents | National Review

Parents know the most about their kids, care the most about their kids, and should have a say in their education.

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On another note CNN described Michelle Wu a moderate as the first woman of color to be mayor. The media recruiting minorities.

 

[samiam5211]

Yeah, all of these Republican morons keep mentioning CRT, yet none of them are willing to explain why they are whining about it.

"It makes white people feel bad."....WAAHH!!

They are caught in an ignorance loop.

CRT is a boogeyman mostly because they don’t understand it.

They can’t understand it because you can’t explain it to them without exposing them to CRT.

They are protesting against people being exposed to CRT, so they damn sure aren’t going to sit there and let you expose them to CRT.

 

[bdb13]

“Where does the party stand? Chaos — again,” said one top Democratic strategist as votes were still being tallied in the New Jersey race. “The Democratic Party leadership seems to revel in its tone-deafness that consistently ignores voters' concerns, and whose condescending elitist rhetoric and messaging is setting the party up for a catastrophic outcome in 2022 and 2024.”

Democrats point fingers after Virginia defeat

Democrats are pointing fingers at one another after the party endured a difficult defeat in the Virginia gubernatorial race and an uncomfortable near-miss in New Jersey. For some Democrats, th…

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The largest problem for Democrats in my view. I feel there's a palpable level of condescension or something directed at the moderates/independents (who obviously are the ones who swing all of these elections) for not just going ahead and conceding that Republicans are just the worst and for not jumping onboard with the Democrats' worldview here, and to me it all just comes off similar in nature to Hillary's "is there even a choice!?" comment. Yes, there's always a choice.

Stop telegraphing that message - which, let's be honest, is about the only actual message that's been put out by the Democrats that's been heard by anyone - that you guys forking walk on water and were sent here from above to keep everyone safe from the awful Republicans.

Obviously circumstances are favorable to Republicans right now anyway, but go ahead and keep doing this same shirt for the next three years and see how easy it all is for Trump to exploit as he takes back the White House in 2024.

 

[Saintman2884]

Democrats point fingers after Virginia defeat

Democrats are pointing fingers at one another after the party endured a difficult defeat in the Virginia gubernatorial race and an uncomfortable near-miss in New Jersey. For some Democrats, th…

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The largest problem for Democrats in my view. I feel there's a palpable level of condescension or something directed at the moderates/independents (who obviously are the ones who swing all of these elections) for not just going ahead and conceding that Republicans are just the worst and for not jumping onboard with the Democrats' worldview here, and to me it all just comes off similar in nature to Hillary's "is there even a choice!?" comment. Yes, there's always a choice.

Stop telegraphing that message - which, let's be honest, is about the only actual message that's been put out by the Democrats that's been heard by anyone - that you guys forking walk on water and were sent here from above to keep everyone safe from the awful Republicans.

Obviously circumstances are favorable to Republicans right now anyway, but go ahead and keep doing this same shirt for the next three years and see how easy it all is for Trump to exploit as he takes back the White House in 2024.

I think and most of the absentee/mail-in ballots coming in from heavily democratic north New Jersey counties like Essex, Bergen right now will be enough to earn Gov. Phil Murphy a second term as governor, but I can't imagine either Murphy or his political operatives thinking a week or two ago this gubanatorial race would end up.being this close and drudged out. It's certainly possible Murphy had a bit of a dark night of the soul,.trying to go to sleep last night.


Either way, you made some good observations in your above-written post.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Democrats point fingers after Virginia defeat

Democrats are pointing fingers at one another after the party endured a difficult defeat in the Virginia gubernatorial race and an uncomfortable near-miss in New Jersey. For some Democrats, th…

thehill.com

The largest problem for Democrats in my view. I feel there's a palpable level of condescension or something directed at the moderates/independents (who obviously are the ones who swing all of these elections) for not just going ahead and conceding that Republicans are just the worst and for not jumping onboard with the Democrats' worldview here, and to me it all just comes off similar in nature to Hillary's "is there even a choice!?" comment. Yes, there's always a choice.

Stop telegraphing that message - which, let's be honest, is about the only actual message that's been put out by the Democrats that's been heard by anyone - that you guys forking walk on water and were sent here from above to keep everyone safe from the awful Republicans.

Obviously circumstances are favorable to Republicans right now anyway, but go ahead and keep doing this same shirt for the next three years and see how easy it all is for Trump to exploit as he takes back the White House in 2024.

First of all, there is not a liberal on this board that thinks Democrats walk on water. In my opinion, they are too easily cowered by idiotic Trumpster attacks and they don't know how to effectively utilize the current power that they have.

Secondly, if you don't consider the Republicans to be a threat to this country, well that's you being foolish. I will never vote for a Republican after the last 4 years of Trump and what those Trump traitors did on Jan 6. And now they are trying to whitewash what happened on Jan 6, as seen in that new idiotic Tucker Carlson documentary. You can look past this fascist bullshirt nonchalantly, I'm sure as hell not.

So go ahead and think you are a clever Independent, wiser than everyone else. All you're doing is underestimating the threat posed by these Trumpster fascists.

 

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First of all, there is not a liberal on this board that thinks Democrats walk on water. In my opinion, they are too easily cowered by idiotic Trumpster attacks and they don't know how to effectively utilize the current power that they have.

Secondly, if you don't consider the Republicans to be a threat to this country, well that's you being foolish. I will never vote for a Republican after the last 4 years of Trump and what those Trump traitors did on Jan 6. And now they are trying to whitewash what happened on Jan 6, as seen in that new idiotic Tucker Carlson documentary. You can look past this fascist bullshirt nonchalantly, I'm sure as hell not.

So go ahead and think you are a clever Independent, wiser than everyone else. All you're doing is underestimating the threat posed by these Trumpster fascists.

... Have you ever read any of my posts on here prior to this one? Yeah, you've sure got me figured out.

I actually wasn't referring to anyone here at all, was actually referring to elected Democrats.. but sure.. write a condescending, uninformed post replying to me LOL. Case in point if you wanted to be that way, I guess.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

... Have you ever read any of my posts on here prior to this one? Yeah, you've sure got me figured out.

I actually wasn't referring to anyone here at all, was actually referring to elected Democrats.. but sure.. write a condescending, uninformed post replying to me LOL. Case in point if you wanted to be that way, I guess.

Since you were talking about elected Democrats, then I apologize. However, I still think you're wrong in your analysis.

You can't treat the Republicans like a normal political party. The voters don't have a "choice". 147 Republicans voted on Jan 6 to steal the election from Biden. They crossed the Rubicon on Jan 6 and there is no going back now. They are all in on Trumpism and what that fascist represents. They are enacting voter suppression laws all over the country to ensure their victory in 2022 and 2024.

They are fascists and no decent American should vote for Republicans. That should be the Democrats' message heading into the 2022 election.

If Democrats lose in 2022 with this message, then so be it. However, at least they go down fighting. That's still better than cowering and pulling punches like they have been, and pretending that the Republicans are still a legitimate political party and that voting for them is still a legitimate choice.

 

[Paul]

They are fascists and no decent American should vote for Republicans. That should be the Democrats' message heading into the 2022 election.

If Democrats lose in 2022 with this message, then so be it. However, at least they go down fighting. That's still better than cowering and pulling punches like they have been, and pretending that the Republicans are still a legitimate political party and that voting for them is still a legitimate choice.

This very tribal approach will not work. The better approach is to come to the center.

 

[samiam5211]

This very tribal approach will not work. The better approach is to come to the center.

Ok Mr Centrist, where is the center of what happened on Jan 6?

Surely you have some idea of where it is you are telling us to go?

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

This very tribal approach will not work. The better approach is to come to the center.

The Republicans have gone so far to the right under Trump that the "center" is now George W Bush and Dick Cheney. fork that. Republicans have defined the political battlefield long enough.

 

[Paul]

The Republicans have gone so far to the right under Trump that the "center" is now George W Bush and Dick Cheney. fork that. Republicans have defined the political battlefield long enough.

The right has a natural limit and that is white nationalism. Once they get to that point they are heavily censored by most.

OTOH, there are no brakes on the left wing side of the spectrum. The more left the greater the virtuosity and the admiration.

Kids with T shirts that show the Hammer and sickle are celebrated. There is no limit in the left.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

The right has a natural limit and that is white nationalism. Once they get to that point they are heavily censored by most.

OTOH, there are no brakes on the left wing side of the spectrum. The more left the greater the virtuosity and the admiration.

Kids with T shirts that show the Hammer and sickle are celebrated. There is no limit in the left.

The problem is the "most" you speak of on the right now represents most Republican voters. And most Republican voters have no problem with white nationalism.

Which means the Republican Party can no longer be considered a legitimate choice for voters in this country.

 

[Paul]

The problem is the "most" you speak of on the right now represents most Republican voters. And most Republican voters have no problem with white nationalism.

I disagree. Most Republicans are upset with the 100% 24/7 race ID politics of the left. If the left plays race ID politics -------how do you think the other side responds? I know plenty of white people and they have no issues with POC until they play race ID politics and demonize whites as you have done.

Which means the Republican Party can no longer be considered a legitimate choice for voters in this country.

Tribalism is alive and well. That is why Trump won in 2016.

Can we lower the temperature and move to the center. Can we stop categorizing and classifying people according to skin color and ethnicity?

 

[SystemShock]

Obviously, that message is old, tired and hollow but like I said, I hope they do keep preaching and driving moderates away. Everyone, well normal people, are just tired of the constant whining and complaining about fake threats like 'white supremacy' and racism instead of talking about real issues.

Old, tired, and hollow? Really? That's what you think of 1/6? That's what you think of a partly that treats Trump as the king, to whom you have to profess fealty or be shun by the party? Is that what you think of elected officials actively trying to undermine our lawful electoral process and the U.S. Constitution to prop up their dear leader?

And you talk about normal people and moderates? Anyone who supports that, they don't fit in those categories.

And what are the real issues? Deny abortion to every woman, 0 tolerance? A gun strapped on every every man, woman, and child? Prayer/creationism in schools? Fight against science? The sanctity of bathrooms? Keeping confederate monuments?

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

I disagree. Most Republicans are upset with the 100% 24/7 race ID politics of the left. If the left plays race ID politics -------how do you think the other side responds? I know plenty of white people and they have no issues with POC until they play race ID politics and demonize whites as you have done.

Tribalism is alive and well. That is why Trump won in 2016.

Can we lower the temperature and move to the center. Can we stop categorizing and classifying people according to skin color and ethnicity?

You aren't capable of moving to the true center. Your comments are excusing white nationalism, pretending that it's a natural response to Archie Bunker white grievance. It's not.

 

[Paul]

Old, tired, and hollow? Really? That's what you think of 1/6? That's what you think of a partly that treats Trump as the king, to whom you have to profess fealty or be shun by the party? Is that what you think of elected officials actively trying to undermine our lawful electoral process and the U.S. Constitution to prop up their dear leader?

And you talk about normal people and moderates? Anyone who supports that, they don't fit in those categories.

And what are the real issues? Abortion? A gun strapped on every every man, woman, and child? Prayer/creationism in schools? Fight against science? The sanctity of bathrooms?

OMG, another tribe member. Guys, give it up. Trump is gone! Most people on the Dems and Reps are close to the center.

 

[SystemShock]

OMG, another tribe member. Guys, give it up. Trump is gone! Most people on the Dems and Reps are close to the center.

 

[MT15]

The right has a natural limit and that is white nationalism. Once they get to that point they are heavily censored by most.

OTOH, there are no brakes on the left wing side of the spectrum. The more left the greater the virtuosity and the admiration.

Kids with T shirts that show the Hammer and sickle are celebrated. There is no limit in the left.

Where do you get these crazy notions? Tucker freaking Carlson is promoting white nationalism on a national cable channel. He’s not being censored at all. We are literally seeing him radicalize tons of supporters as he marches toward fascism with each passing year. He went to Hungary and fawned over an autocrat. He is peddling white supremacy in the form of the Great Replacement. He is denigrating our armed forces. The far right is attacking every part of America down to even obeying the law.

On the left, the far left is often not held in the highest esteem. We are seeing some of the policy disagreements play out. But it just so happens that the far left hasn’t done anything like what the far right is currently up to. Not even close.

You are not the middle, Paul, you’re just an apologist for the far right.

 

[Paul]

Where do you get these crazy notions? Tucker freaking Carlson is promoting white nationalism on a national cable channel. He’s not being censored at all. We are literally seeing him radicalize tons of supporters as he marches toward fascism with each passing year. He went to Hungary and fawned over an autocrat. He is peddling white supremacy in the form of the Great Replacement. He is denigrating our armed forces. The far right is attacking every part of America down to even obeying the law.

On the left, the far left is often not held in the highest esteem. We are seeing some of the policy disagreements play out. But it just so happens that the far left hasn’t done anything like what the far right is currently up to. Not even close.

You are not the middle, Paul, you’re just an apologist for the far right.

I don't watch Carlson as I would get bored in two seconds. All he is doing is playing race ID politics which I detest.
I have said this more than once. When the left plays race ID politics the right responds with race ID politics. This will not end up well. They do the same victimhood game that minorities play up. I rather watch MSNBC which is the other side of Fox.