Moderates that voted for Biden in Virginia are now voting Republican. (5 Viewers)

[Paul]

The middle makes the difference once again. Why?

McAuliffe made an error with the school issue to appease the CRT crowd. A costly strategic error.

Terry McAuliffe’s War on Parents | National Review

Parents know the most about their kids, care the most about their kids, and should have a say in their education.

www.nationalreview.com

On another note CNN described Michelle Wu a moderate as the first woman of color to be mayor. The media recruiting minorities.

 

[Saintman2884]

Citizens United, the Tea Party morphing into modern day Trumpism, the current political makeup of the Supreme Court, gerrymandering and voter suppression being codified into law in Republican controlled state legislatures nationwide while the essential platform of the GOP is the equivalent of making sure Democrats have to work twice as hard as ever to accomplish anything at all in DC (simultaneously telling anyone who will listen how pathetic it is that Democrats aren't getting more done while controlling the three branches of federal government - feigning ignorance to the role they play in the GOP's utterly childish "oppose and obstruct anything Democrats try to achieve so we can play victim to our own ineptitude" mantra) has pretty much created an all new kind of political gridlock in this country, the likes of which never before seen in our history, which could have repercussions that last longer than any of us who are talking about it today. The GOP learned a lot from January 6 and have set into motion everything that will be necessary for it to be successful when they try again with an actual competent politician and not someone who's never read a book in his life.

I hate to admit it, but it really feels like every presidential election that occurs while Trumpism is still the GOP playbook is going to be the most important election of our lives. The best way to prevent another fascist, authoritarian maniac from taking over the White House is to never stop doing the dirty work of people like Stacy Abrams. The more people in this country that we can get to actually believe that they have a stake in who gets elected and what laws are on the ballots when it comes time to vote, the less likely we are to see our Constitution torn to shreds and the United States of America become a cautionary tale to the rest of the world about what happens when only about half of the country's citizens participate in the political process because they've been hoodwinked into believing that a political coup just isn't possible here.

I'm not entirely sure or believe the GOP now has that competent, new Dick Cheney/Nixonish type of intelligent, power-hungry, calculating, politically savvy but proto-authoritarian figure to carry out a more successful, 1/6 type coup.

They'd need a more intelligent, smarter, competent "Trump-lite" candidate but who also has a mesmerizing, charismatic ability to create, attract, and maintain a cult of personality. Trump's cult of personality starts and ends with him. Thats a political fact as well as a socio-psychological determination about how cults usually follow one authoritarian, charismatic, seemingly omniscient all-powerful leader. For MAGA types, their Alpha and Omega only includes Trump and he's not someone who's intelligent, crafty enough to devise, execute a "Night of the Long Knives" domestic political power purge and coup.

Maybe a PG version of Trump comes along eventually who doesn't come across initially as obnoxious, obtuse, and totally void of ethics and morals, but I don't know if that person would exists either on a potential national level anytime soon.

 

[samiam5211]

Maybe a PG version of Trump comes along eventually who doesn't come across initially as obnoxious, obtuse, and totally void of ethics and morals, but I don't know if that person would exists either on a potential national level anytime soon.

DeSantis is pretty close.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

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I'm not entirely sure or believe the GOP now has that competent, new Dick Cheney/Nixonish type of intelligent, power-hungry, calculating, politically savvy but proto-authoritarian figure to carry out a more successful, 1/6 type coup.

They'd need a more intelligent, smarter, competent "Trump-lite" candidate but who also has a mesmerizing, charismatic ability to create, attract, and maintain a cult of personality. Trump's cult of personality starts and ends with him. Thats a political fact as well as a socio-psychological determination about how cults usually follow one authoritarian, charismatic, seemingly omniscient all-powerful leader. For MAGA types, their Alpha and Omega only includes Trump and he's not someone who's intelligent, crafty enough to devise, execute a "Night of the Long Knives" domestic political power purge and coup.

Maybe a PG version of Trump comes along eventually who doesn't come across initially as obnoxious, obtuse, and totally void of ethics and morals, but I don't know if that person would exists either on a potential national level anytime soon.

I don't think the GOP needs the extraordinary individual that you've described for a successful coup in 2024. They've already laid the groundwork with these voter suppression laws. The playbook is already known.

147 Republicans voted against democracy on Jan 6. The majority of the party will be willing to steal the 2024 election, without a doubt. They will do this for Trump or for a similar brain dead Trump disciple.

 

[Paul]

Why didn't you just tell him to ignore it so it would go away? Sounds like you hate yourself more than anything else.

Either that or you are here only to be contrarian.

It is not nice to insult posters just because you cannot refute an argument.

 

[BobE]

Where were all of these accusations made? I seem to have missed them.

on this website specifically? No none that I saw. On the internet? um Yeah. I was reading one on twitter (yeah I know ) that since Black people voted for a racist (meaning Glen) they should have the ability to vote taken away. For their own good of course. I made it about 2 hours after polls closing before I had to shut everything off last night to keep my sanity.

BTW we should still be able to talk about BH 90210 on here

 

[BobE]

This is why i thought it was clearly just a parody. They didn't intent for people to actually believe that they were supporters of the Republican candidate.

I think they intentionally included a black guy so it would be clear it was a parody and not some fake sting operation like Project Veritas tries to do.

well 2 things. 1) Terry's campaign was on it like it was real instantly leading people to think it was real. and 2) common sense. It's sorely lacking in this Country

 

[insidejob]

I'm not entirely sure or believe the GOP now has that competent, new Dick Cheney/Nixonish type of intelligent, power-hungry, calculating, politically savvy but proto-authoritarian figure to carry out a more successful, 1/6 type coup.

They'd need a more intelligent, smarter, competent "Trump-lite" candidate but who also has a mesmerizing, charismatic ability to create, attract, and maintain a cult of personality. Trump's cult of personality starts and ends with him. Thats a political fact as well as a socio-psychological determination about how cults usually follow one authoritarian, charismatic, seemingly omniscient all-powerful leader. For MAGA types, their Alpha and Omega only includes Trump and he's not someone who's intelligent, crafty enough to devise, execute a "Night of the Long Knives" domestic political power purge and coup.

Maybe a PG version of Trump comes along eventually who doesn't come across initially as obnoxious, obtuse, and totally void of ethics and morals, but I don't know if that person would exists either on a potential national level anytime soon.

The Josh Hawleys of this country are the ones that actually scare me if they ever manage to get ahold of the White House. With the groundwork being laid across the country to keep Democrat voting numbers as small as possible and giving state legislatures more and more control and power over peoples' actual votes, the GOP could pull off a power grab if the conditions are right. The biggest thing about it is that they are putting into place as many of the necessary pieces possible to actually create the right conditions for them to pull the lever and steal an election they lose. And once it's done, it's done. What recourse is there? They certainly aren't going to wait around while the country gets more and more diverse by the day and with that diversity comes less and less control for the old white men currently in office who have shown us that their number one concern is maintaining their current power over anything else.

Everyone who opposed Trump in the 2016 primaries ended up kneeling at the altar of Trump and did a total 180 on their true thoughts and feelings that the effect that giving someone like Trump the power of the presidency would have on this country. They all knew and even went on the record warning American citizens, the RNC, and basically anybody who would listen, of how low Trump would bring this country down - going so far as to say that if he wins the GOP NOMINATION in 2016 that it would be so bad for the party that the GOP they have dedicated their lives and careers to with a supposed intention of creating a country that is better for future generations than the ones that came before would be over with...for good.

And instead of having the testicular fortitude to even admit that the Trump administration was pathetic and was exactly what they warned it would be when they thought he couldn't possibly get nominated, forget about becoming POTUS, and leading an effort to right the ship back to the conservative Republican party that they've served since becoming adults, they're doubling down on insanity, hatred, division and corruption because those are the ties that bind the lowest common denominator of the Trump Cult and are too afraid of falling out of favor with the devil that they'd rather continue doing his bidding until he's either dead or indicted. If indictments start flying and the whole cartel starts to crumble, I wonder who is going to be the first to pretend like they've never supported it or used it for their own benefit.

 

[samiam5211]

well 2 things. 1) Terry's campaign was on it like it was real instantly leading people to think it was real. and 2) common sense. It's sorely lacking in this Country

Terry is an idiot and deserved to lose.

The Lincoln Project probably didn't think to tell him what it was doing because they included a black dude with the group, but they shouldn't have overestimated him.

This was an intentional parody though. It shouldn't be equated to Jussie Smollett.

 

[Saintman2884]

The only "problem" with CRT is that most people don't even know what it is, just that they've been told that it's bad.

ETA: It was a huge mistake after the Civil War to allow all of the Confederate monuments honoring and exalting what was actually a treasonous attempt to overthrow the government to even become a reality. They should have shut that shirt down before it ever started. It's allowed the South to rewrite and whitewash what actually happened at the time and numerous generations to believe that the Confederate states tried to do something noble. It's why slavery is barely mentioned on plantation tours. The federal government at the time should have taken the view that "To the victor go the spoils," and erected statues and monuments of Union generals all across the South.

You really need to do some extensive historical research on why Reconstruction era from 1865-77 was at best a mixed success. The entire former Confederate states were actually turned into military districts, and sure, the CSA as a geopolitical entity didnt exist either, but majority of Southern population in those former states hated, resented the very presence of Union troops, the fact they lost the war, and the fact that their former enslaved workforce now had seemingly equal political rights(though in reality, in many ex-Confederate states and Northern states, African-Americans endured open, systemic racism, discrimination in workplace, sort of early precursor of segregation). Pres. Andrew Johnson was a weak-willed, at-heart Jacksonian Democrat, mediocre politician who constantly had an running political battle with Radical Republicans who wanted to treat the defeated South more harshly like you're suggesting.

Well, under Johnson and to a certain extent under Grant, they did get their way and they also inadvertently created a violent, at times lawless, power vacuum with corrupt, greedy federal commissioners appointed to help rebuild these Southern districts but used it rather to increase their own power base. Many U.S. historians now view the Grant administration as one of the most corrupt presidential administrations in US history, which led to the contested 1876 U.S. election, the Wooling House agreement (symbolic gesture in my view, I've always believed the real decisions had already been made some time before). It was because of Northerners who had a vindictive, punishing agenda against defeated Southerners, that far-right extremist terrorist groups like first KKK, Yellow Jackets were formed, bloody, vicious race riots occurred in New Orleans, Memphis, Atlanta, Wilmington, N.C. in 1871 IIRC. All the while, the physical infrastrural rebuilding and social transformation of the defeated Confederacy slipped further behind.

To create and permentantly enact those changes you proposed above wouldve meant a semi-permanent military occupation, Southern citizens barred indefinitely from voting or holding office, foreign perception of U.S. Northern populace and politicians not living up to their hallowed ideals of liberty, justice, and equal opportunity under law(sure, many 19th century Europeans rightfully despised slavery, but since it was officially abolished, they wouldn't agree with keeping Southerners into a semi-permanent state of bondage, and many mid-late 19th century European nations, and UK werent exactly choir boys regarding Russian antisemitism, British class-based discrimination and ethnic exclusion towards Irish Catholics, terrible, deliberate colonial legislators causing widespread famine humanitarian disasters with millions dying of starvation, disease, and malaria in India in the 1870's and 1890's, French werent exactly the most ethnically tolerant towards their own Jewish population, especially after losing the Franco-Prussian War (Dreyfuss Affair) or French-speaking Algerian or Moroccoan immigrants(funny how that explosive social issue still exists there in southern French cities like Marseillies and Toulon nearly 160 years later.

 

[insidejob]

BTW we should still be able to talk about BH 90210 on here

Agreed.

As to the other stuff...I don't really pay attention to the stupidity that the majority of the world thinks and does. I'm just happy to know that nobody on here was saying things like that which you've seen elsewhere. Anyone who thought Virginia was staying blue with the campaign Terry ran hasn't been paying attention or is totally delusional. Someone should've advised him to fire his campaign manager and change strategies because that was one of the worst campaigns for a major office I've ever witnessed. Absolutely tone deaf and off-message.

 

[coldseat]

Holy hell this thread in completely amazing. You have Terry who whole not beloved wasn't hated in Va who one day one of his campaign tried linking Glen to Trump even bringing in Biden, Harris, Obama and the whole crew to stump for him and link Glen to Trump while minus a throw away sentence ignored Trump. Then only 3 or 4 days before election day Terry says that this election has nothing Trump.

Then you have lifelong Democrats telling you they voted for Glen because due to covid they had a chance to really see what their children were really being taught and told. You have a girl who was raped in a bathroom (btw she wasn't his first Vitim) Only for the school, school board and school superintendent say it didn't happen then that weren't aware only for emails to show they fully knew. But they had to be careful with the situation not because a girl got raped but the rapist wore a skirt. Then to add the cherry on top they have the father of the girl arrested for confronting the school board. Then Terry walks on out and basically tells people they don't have a right to say what their kids be taught and the public schools in Va are top notch all while sending his kids to private school.

Then and this may actually be my favorite part. There a mini white supremacy rally at a glen rally (note when having a white supremacy rally try not to send a Black person it kind of gives things away) where Terry's campaign is on it with in seconds only for the entire thing to blows up in their faces because here come the really crazy part.....it was a set up. Luckily the Lincoln project step in at the end of the day to take credit for it. I guess they haven't grifted enough money from you guys yet, who knows.

Then according to this thread a white supremist was elected Gov, a Black woman was elected to Lt Gov but she isn't really black because she doesn't think like you and a Cuban was elected AG but he isn't really Cuban because he doesn't think like you. I'm actually afraid to tell y'all that Glen even flipped a Majority Black district. But let's be honest. Y'all don't think those people were really Black any ways.

Yeah I don't know Terry lost either. Until next time MAP.

I'm sure Glen is going to improve the education system in Virginia.

I don't really know anything about Virginia, but thinking Republicans at any level of government will improve education is pretty hilarious. They're doing a wonderful job of it here in Texas.

 

[Saintman2884]

The Josh Hawleys of this country are the ones that actually scare me if they ever manage to get ahold of the White House. With the groundwork being laid across the country to keep Democrat voting numbers as small as possible and giving state legislatures more and more control and power over peoples' actual votes, the GOP could pull off a power grab if the conditions are right. The biggest thing about it is that they are putting into place as many of the necessary pieces possible to actually create the right conditions for them to pull the lever and steal an election they lose. And once it's done, it's done. What recourse is there? They certainly aren't going to wait around while the country gets more and more diverse by the day and with that diversity comes less and less control for the old white men currently in office who have shown us that their number one concern is maintaining their current power over anything else.

Everyone who opposed Trump in the 2016 primaries ended up kneeling at the altar of Trump and did a total 180 on their true thoughts and feelings that the effect that giving someone like Trump the power of the presidency would have on this country. They all knew and even went on the record warning American citizens, the RNC, and basically anybody who would listen, of how low Trump would bring this country down - going so far as to say that if he wins the GOP NOMINATION in 2016 that it would be so bad for the party that the GOP they have dedicated their lives and careers to with a supposed intention of creating a country that is better for future generations than the ones that came before would be over with...for good.

And instead of having the testicular fortitude to even admit that the Trump administration was pathetic and was exactly what they warned it would be when they thought he couldn't possibly get nominated, forget about becoming POTUS, and leading an effort to right the ship back to the conservative Republican party that they've served since becoming adults, they're doubling down on insanity, hatred, division and corruption because those are the ties that bind the lowest common denominator of the Trump Cult and are too afraid of falling out of favor with the devil that they'd rather continue doing his bidding until he's either dead or indicted. If indictments start flying and the whole cartel starts to crumble, I wonder who is going to be the first to pretend like they've never supported it or used it for their own benefit.

Yeah, but MAGA cult was started, is devoted and is blindly subservient to just Trump and only him. Desantis, and Hawley don't strike me as Trumpian would-be authoritian mesmerizing cult leaders with slavishly devoted MAGA followers listening to them just like they would Trump. Cults don't work that way.

They'd have to develop, foster, and nurture their own dangerous cults of personality willing to potentially rile up to try and overthrow a democratically elected Pres.elect.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

You really need to do some extensive historical research on why Reconstruction era from 1865-77 was at best a mixed success. The entire former Confederate states were actually turned into military districts, and sure, the CSA as a geopolitical entity didnt exist either, but majority of Southern population in those former states hated, resented the very presence of Union troops, the fact they lost the war, and the fact that their former enslaved workforce now had seemingly equal political rights(though in reality, in many ex-Confederate states and Northern states, African-Americans endured open, systemic racism, discrimination in workplace, sort of early precursor of segregation). Pres. Andrew Johnson was a weak-willed, at-heart Jacksonian Democrat, mediocre politician who constantly had an running political battle with Radical Republicans who wanted to treat the defeated South more harshly like you're suggesting.

Well, under Johnson and to a certain extent under Grant, they did get their way and they also inadvertently created a violent, at times lawless, power vacuum with corrupt, greedy federal commissioners appointed to help rebuild these Southern districts but used it rather to increase their own power base. Many U.S. historians now view the Grant administration as one of the most corrupt presidential administrations in US history, which led to the contested 1876 U.S. election, the Wooling House agreement (symbolic gesture in my view, I've always believed the real decisions had already been made some time before). It was because of Northerners who had a vindictive, punishing agenda against defeated Southerners, that far-right extremist terrorist groups like first KKK, Yellow Jackets were formed, bloody, vicious race riots occurred in New Orleans, Memphis, Atlanta, Wilmington, N.C. in 1871 IIRC. All the while, the physical infrastrural rebuilding and social transformation of the defeated Confederacy slipped further behind.

To create and permentantly enact those changes you proposed above wouldve meant a semi-permanent military occupation, Southern citizens barred indefinitely from voting or holding office, foreign perception of U.S. Northern populace and politicians not living up to their hallowed ideals of liberty, justice, and equal opportunity under law(sure, many 19th century Europeans rightfully despised slavery, but since it was officially abolished, they wouldn't agree with keeping Southerners into a semi-permanent state of bondage, and many mid-late 19th century European nations, and UK werent exactly choir boys regarding Russian antisemitism, British class-based discrimination and ethnic exclusion towards Irish Catholics, terrible, deliberate colonial legislators causing widespread famine humanitarian disasters with millions dying of starvation, disease, and malaria in India in the 1870's and 1890's, French werent exactly the most ethnically tolerant towards their own Jewish population, especially after losing the Franco-Prussian War (Dreyfuss Affair) or French-speaking Algerian or Moroccoan immigrants(funny how that explosive social issue still exists there in southern French cities like Marseillies and Toulon nearly 160 years later.

Please don't try to justify the creation of the KKK. They were domestic terrorists, nothing more. Just like the Proud Boys and all of the other Trump traitors who attacked the Capitol on Jan 6.

If the South hadn't started a war over slavery, then there would have been nothing for these KKK traitors to be unhappy about. The fact is most of these KKK members never owned slaves, most of them were never wealthy. Protecting their white privilege and white superiority was more important to them than anything else, even if it meant financial ruin for themselves.

Grant had every right to temporarily eradicate the KKK and I'm glad that he did. One of his greatest accomplishments as President.

 

[MT15]

on this website specifically? No none that I saw. On the internet? um Yeah. I was reading one on twitter (yeah I know ) that since Black people voted for a racist (meaning Glen) they should have the ability to vote taken away. For their own good of course. I made it about 2 hours after polls closing before I had to shut everything off last night to keep my sanity.

BTW we should still be able to talk about BH 90210 on here

You do know that people on Twitter sometimes post things that are pretty outrageous just for fun, right? And they often are saying things that reflect poorly on whoever they oppose, just to give them (whoever they are targeting) a bad name? I think you got trolled by some folks, unless you know them, then yikes, you need better friends, lol.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It is not nice to insult posters just because you cannot refute an argument.

Which part was insulting? I was making an observation based on your own words and self-described actions.

 

[zztop]

Yeah, all of these Republican morons keep mentioning CRT, yet none of them are willing to explain why they are whining about it.

"It makes white people feel bad."....WAAHH!!

Some many years ago a comic went out on the streets and asked random people what they thought about ACA. Most were in favor of affordable health care. Then right after that he asked the same people what they thought about Obamacare, most had negative opinions/reactions to it.

 

[insidejob]

You really need to do some extensive historical research on why Reconstruction era from 1865-77 was at best a mixed success. The entire former Confederate states were actually turned into military districts, and sure, the CSA as a geopolitical entity didnt exist either, but majority of Southern population in those former states hated, resented the very presence of Union troops, the fact they lost the war, and the fact that their former enslaved workforce now had seemingly equal political rights(though in reality, in many ex-Confederate states and Northern states, African-Americans endured open, systemic racism, discrimination in workplace, sort of early precursor of segregation). Pres. Andrew Johnson was a weak-willed, at-heart Jacksonian Democrat, mediocre politician who constantly had an running political battle with Radical Republicans who wanted to treat the defeated South more harshly like you're suggesting.

Well, under Johnson and to a certain extent under Grant, they did get their way and they also inadvertently created a violent, at times lawless, power vacuum with corrupt, greedy federal commissioners appointed to help rebuild these Southern districts but used it rather to increase their own power base. Many U.S. historians now view the Grant administration as one of the most corrupt presidential administrations in US history, which led to the contested 1876 U.S. election, the Wooling House agreement (symbolic gesture in my view, I've always believed the real decisions had already been made some time before). It was because of Northerners who had a vindictive, punishing agenda against defeated Southerners, that far-right extremist terrorist groups like first KKK, Yellow Jackets were formed, bloody, vicious race riots occurred in New Orleans, Memphis, Atlanta, Wilmington, N.C. in 1871 IIRC. All the while, the physical infrastrural rebuilding and social transformation of the defeated Confederacy slipped further behind.

To create and permentantly enact those changes you proposed above wouldve meant a semi-permanent military occupation, Southern citizens barred indefinitely from voting or holding office, foreign perception of U.S. Northern populace and politicians not living up to their hallowed ideals of liberty, justice, and equal opportunity under law(sure, many 19th century Europeans rightfully despised slavery, but since it was officially abolished, they wouldn't agree with keeping Southerners into a semi-permanent state of bondage, and many mid-late 19th century European nations, and UK werent exactly choir boys regarding Russian antisemitism, British class-based discrimination and ethnic exclusion towards Irish Catholics, terrible, deliberate colonial legislators causing widespread famine humanitarian disasters with millions dying of starvation, disease, and malaria in India in the 1870's and 1890's, French werent exactly the most ethnically tolerant towards their own Jewish population, especially after losing the Franco-Prussian War (Dreyfuss Affair) or French-speaking Algerian or Moroccoan immigrants(funny how that explosive social issue still exists there in southern French cities like Marseillies and Toulon nearly 160 years later.

You're right and I didn't mean my post literally. I'm not delusional enough to think that everything would have just been peachy if what I suggested had taken place. It likely would have made things worse and there would likely never been any reuniting under one flag ever again. The problem then was basically the root of the problem as it exists today. The rich people who were the biggest land owners also were the biggest slave owners and were interwoven in the power structure of the government/Confederacy and it's not like when the war ended, they lost their wealth, power and position in society. They just lost their ability to own slaves.

Something should have been done a long time ago to address the atrocities of slavery in this country instead of basically just acting like it never happened and expecting black people to just get over it, fall in line and find a way to create a life for themselves and their families after what they'd been subjected to. Then, those same people who maintained the power and control over their subhuman existence as slaves still called the shots in their new found "free lives" unless they were able to find a way to suddenly up and move their entire families and communities to some random, different state they'd never even heard of and never wanted to move to in the first place. The romanticizing of the plantations and places like 'Beauvoir' (Jefferson Davis's estate on the Mississippi Gulf Coast) have people leaving negative reviews on Google because the guides have stopped totally omitting slavery from their scripts. It's not possible to talk about a plantation without mentioning slavery. That would be like touring concentration camps and not talking about the Holocaust or Nazis. You can't tell the truth about one without mentioning the other. The mere fact that so many people are upset about the truth being told about what really happened in the American South before the Civil War speaks volumes. It's just ignorant. We also allowed/encouraged this ignorance by honoring and revering Confederate generals and the like for so long while omitting the true horrors of slavery that I really think that multiple generations don't really know the truth about the South and slavery. Baby Boomers through my own generation only were taught half of the story about the region in which we were born and raised and lots of people actually take offense or think it's lies when they learn about how horrible slaves were treated by the people who owned them and worked them like animals.

I recently read an article about places like Beauvoir finally starting to tell the slaves' side of the story too on the guided tours and they are receiving complaints from people who take the tour saying that they didn't go there to be made to feel guilty or learn the truth about things done by people whose names they've known and used their entire lives with pride and respect because so many schools, roads, streets, parks, municipal buildings, (insert anything at all that needs to be named in Mississippi here) were named after them. Surely, we wouldn't honor and praise men who terrorized, brutalized, and basically discarded other human beings based exclusively on their skin being black, would we? It just isn't possible that my great-great-great-great grandpappy owned an entire family tree of black people who were unfortunate enough to end up being stolen from their homeland to be brought here in chains because pappy and his buddies needed them to do the hard work on the farm that they were too lazy and weak to do. Not my pappy and his buddies. Pappy would never rape and father children with no black woman slave! Pappy didn't even like black people!

Anyway...never mind.

 

[Saintman2884]

You're right and I didn't mean my post literally. I'm not delusional enough to think that everything would have just been peachy if what I suggested had taken place. It likely would have made things worse and there would likely never been any reuniting under one flag ever again. The problem then was basically the root of the problem as it exists today. The rich people who were the biggest land owners also were the biggest slave owners and were interwoven in the power structure of the government/Confederacy and it's not like when the war ended, they lost their wealth, power and position in society. They just lost their ability to own slaves.

Something should have been done a long time ago to address the atrocities of slavery in this country instead of basically just acting like it never happened and expecting black people to just get over it, fall in line and find a way to create a life for themselves and their families after what they'd been subjected to. Then, those same people who maintained the power and control over their subhuman existence as slaves still called the shots in their new found "free lives" unless they were able to find a way to suddenly up and move their entire families and communities to some random, different state they'd never even heard of and never wanted to move to in the first place. The romanticizing of the plantations and places like 'Beauvoir' (Jefferson Davis's estate on the Mississippi Gulf Coast) have people leaving negative reviews on Google because the guides have stopped totally omitting slavery from their scripts. It's not possible to talk about a plantation without mentioning slavery. That would be like touring concentration camps and not talking about the Holocaust or Nazis. You can't tell the truth about one without mentioning the other. The mere fact that so many people are upset about the truth being told about what really happened in the American South before the Civil War speaks volumes. It's just ignorant. We also allowed/encouraged this ignorance by honoring and revering Confederate generals and the like for so long while omitting the true horrors of slavery that I really think that multiple generations don't really know the truth about the South and slavery. Baby Boomers through my own generation only were taught half of the story about the region in which we were born and raised and lots of people actually take offense or think it's lies when they learn about how horrible slaves were treated by the people who owned them and worked them like animals.

I recently read an article about places like Beauvoir finally starting to tell the slaves' side of the story too on the guided tours and they are receiving complaints from people who take the tour saying that they didn't go there to be made to feel guilty or learn the truth about things done by people whose names they've known and used their entire lives with pride and respect because so many schools, roads, streets, parks, municipal buildings, (insert anything at all that needs to be named in Mississippi here) were named after them. Surely, we wouldn't honor and praise men who terrorized, brutalized, and basically discarded other human beings based exclusively on their skin being black, would we? It just isn't possible that my great-great-great-great grandpappy owned an entire family tree of black people who were unfortunate enough to end up being stolen from their homeland to be brought here in chains because pappy and his buddies needed them to do the hard work on the farm that they were too lazy and weak to do. Not my pappy and his buddies. Pappy would never rape and father children with no black woman slave! Pappy didn't even like black people!

Anyway...never mind.

Not to diminish or minimize the degradation, humiliation, suffering, mass enslavement of European colonial powers capturing, beating, forcibly enslaving hundreds of thousands and millions of African slaves from the late 17th century to illegal slave trading until end of Civil War like the Middle Passage to their African-American descendants who faced Jim Crow laws, poll taxes, grandfather clauses, economic and political disenfranchisement, but its not on the same scale, historically, to what the Holocaust was. That was a intentional, deliberate mass-scale, mostly well-hidden(although most WWII-era Germans knew some of the details or heard eventually horrendous, skin-crawling rumors that later turned out to be, if anything, tame by comparison) genocide carefully articulated and devised from Hitler's earlier anti Semitic, racist, extreme pan-German rants in Mein Kampf, and private and public campaign speeches for Chancellor during late Weimar Era. The implementation of the "Final Solution" took place in a secluded, remote villa in Wannasee, a wealthy Berlin suburb, among Nazi Party bureaucrats, SS Obersturm Fuhrer Reinhardt Heinrich, his deputy, Adolf Eichmann, and mid-level Nazi bureaucrats.