Moderates that voted for Biden in Virginia are now voting Republican. (2 Viewers)

[Paul]

The middle makes the difference once again. Why?

McAuliffe made an error with the school issue to appease the CRT crowd. A costly strategic error.

Terry McAuliffe’s War on Parents | National Review

Parents know the most about their kids, care the most about their kids, and should have a say in their education.

www.nationalreview.com

On another note CNN described Michelle Wu a moderate as the first woman of color to be mayor. The media recruiting minorities.

 

[SaintForLife]

"CRT isn't being taught in schools"

I wonder why Critical Race Theory is on the Virginia Department of Education website?

Here's the Superintendent James Lane's reading list for teachers who had requested literature that examines the issues of racial inequities in education:

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/administrators/superintendents_memos/2019/050-19.docx

Critical Race Theory:

It's also includes the horrible book White Fragility.

The Dehumanizing Condescension of 'White Fragility'

The popular book aims to combat racism but talks down to Black people.

www.theatlantic.com

This link also contains references to Critical Race Theory:

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/virginia_tiered_system_supports/resources/2015_fall_institute/Legal_implications_of_discipline.pdf

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It's obvious that the right has exploited and exaggerated CRT in schools, but to pretend that it's not being taught in schools is disingenuous and a Democratic talking point.

 

[MT15]

Paul: Whether you watch him or not doesn’t have any bearing on the point I made. It’s almost a non-sequitur.

So here goes: you said that once someone on the right espouses white nationalism they will be censored by all. That it’s a natural “brake” if you will for the right.

I said: that’s not true. We see Tucker Carlson espousing white nationalism on a national cable tv show and he is radicalizing his viewers without any consequences. He is, in fact, being paid quite handsomely to do so.

Your contention is without merit in this case. Divorced from reality, actually.

 

[MT15]

SFL: those are resources for teachers who want to explore the topic. They are not lesson plans. You even say this is a reading list for teachers who had requested information on the topic. It’s not required, it’s not taught to students.

Children are not taught CRT no matter how many times you post the same stuff.

 

[Paul]

Paul: Whether you watch him or not doesn’t have any bearing on the point I made. It’s almost a non-sequitur.

So here goes: you said that once someone on the right espouses white nationalism they will be censored by all. That it’s a natural “brake” if you will for the right.

I said: that’s not true. We see Tucker Carlson espousing white nationalism on a national cable tv show and he is radicalizing his viewers without any consequences. He is, in fact, being paid quite handsomely to do so.

Your contention is without merit in this case. Divorced from reality, actually.

OK, maybe my impression of white nationalism is a guy with a hood or someone that preaches racial separation and is a fan of Hitler. Can you give me a link to Carlson preaching white nationalism?

 

[MT15]

It was posted here already. It’s been written about. Google it.

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[Paul]

It was posted here already. It’s been written about. Google it.

OK, I saw a couple of videos. He seems to be against immigration. According to him Democrats want to import POC immigrants because they will mostly vote Democrat. I am an immigrant and I am not happy with that. IN any event i know many Hispanics and they tend to spread the vote quite a bit. Among the small professional class they tend to be moderates and some right of center. His theory only applies to those that are new immigrants and are very poor. So yes, you are correct!

I also felt he is just playing up the ratings. I cannot watch they guy, it turns my stomach. I rather watch someone who is more of an old fashion intellectual like McWhorter or Peterson.

 

[MT15]

Yeah, Carlson is awful. The actual neo-Nazis currently being sued by the victims of the Charlottesville attack have said they were inspired by watching him.

 

[MT15]

SFL, you just put your own confirmation bias on display, again. You eagerly quote people when they say something you like, but any other time you would be totally dismissive of anything they have to say.

 

[bdb13]

Since you were talking about elected Democrats, then I apologize.

All good.

However, I still think you're wrong in your analysis.

You can't treat the Republicans like a normal political party. The voters don't have a "choice". 147 Republicans voted on Jan 6 to steal the election from Biden.

147 is much larger than 7, but that many Democratic House members also raised objections in 2016. The larger difference to me and where Republicans really escalated this beyond precedent is when seven Republican Senators cosigned the objections (whereas no Democratic Senators cosigned the 2016 House objections and therefore those objections were not considered).

They crossed the Rubicon on Jan 6 and there is no going back now. They are all in on Trumpism and what that fascist represents. They are enacting voter suppression laws all over the country to ensure their victory in 2022 and 2024.

They are fascists and no decent American should vote for Republicans. That should be the Democrats' message heading into the 2022 election.

If Democrats lose in 2022 with this message, then so be it. However, at least they go down fighting. That's still better than cowering and pulling punches like they have been, and pretending that the Republicans are still a legitimate political party and that voting for them is still a legitimate choice.

So I personally agree with all of this. My disdain for Trumpism is.. way up there. That fact that the Republican party has rallied around and capitulated to Trump post Jan. 6 to the great extent that it has has been pathetically shameful. fork every unpatriotic and cowardly Republican Senator who didn't vote to impeach Trump and rid his malignancy from the potential of another term. fork every person that supports Trump post Jan 6th.
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However.. Democrats have to give moderates/swing voters that aren't absolutely enraged (as they properly should be, imo - but it also is what it is to some great extent) by Trump(ism) in the way that I am some things to hold onto here. And they're just not, as evidenced by what just happened in Virginia.

I would argue that right now the White House feels rudderless and that there's a rather large gap between what Congressional and/or leftwing Democrats view as priority issues and what swing voters in these important states view as priority issues. How does holding up a more popular bipartisan bill for a less popular partisan one play with swing voters, do you think?

Off of that I'd also argue that in the states that are going to matter most in 2024 (I'd have to look into 2022), the voters that actually swing elections probably never did (and will not in the near future view) view the Democratic-only bill as some great thing that would positively impacted their lives. I don't even think the problem is necessarily the bill itself, but I do think that the messaging has been pretty awful in totality and that spending so much political will on the fantasy $3.5 trillion bill knowing Manchin was the 50th vote was dumb as shirt and has portrayed to people that Democrats really do not know what the fork they're doing.

 

[SaintForLife]

SFL, you just put your own confirmation bias on display, again. You eagerly quote people when they say something you like, but any other time you would be totally dismissive of anything they have to say.

When even CNN is saying how the Democrats are out of touch and come across to people than you know it's bad.

 

[MT15]

I like this lady’s thoughts on the subject:

Let's All Take a Breath, Please

On central messaging in campaigns.

charlotteclymer.substack.com

 

[SaintForLife]

It looks like the Democrats will continue their winning message.

 

[zztop]

OK, maybe my impression of white nationalism is a guy with a hood or someone that preaches racial separation and is a fan of Hitler. Can you give me a link to Carlson preaching white nationalism?

ironic you are asking for proof of a claim, yet I am still waiting for you to prove your claim with evidence that colleges indoctrinate students to fight in a culture war

until you start to do what you are asking others I hope everyone tells you to kindly fork off

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

All good.

147 is much larger than 7, but that many Democratic House members also raised objections in 2016. The larger difference to me and where Republicans really escalated this beyond precedent is when seven Republican Senators cosigned the objections (whereas no Democratic Senators cosigned the 2016 House objections and therefore those objections were not considered).


So I personally agree with all of this. My disdain for Trumpism is.. way up there. That fact that the Republican party has rallied around and capitulated to Trump post Jan. 6 to the great extent that it has has been pathetically shameful. fork every unpatriotic and cowardly Republican Senator who didn't vote to impeach Trump and rid his malignancy from the potential of another term. fork every person that supports Trump post Jan 6th.
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However.. Democrats have to give moderates/swing voters that aren't absolutely enraged (as they properly should be, imo - but it also is what it is to some great extent) by Trump(ism) in the way that I am some things to hold onto here. And they're just not, as evidenced by what just happened in Virginia.

I would argue that right now the White House feels rudderless and that there's a rather large gap between what Congressional and/or leftwing Democrats view as priority issues and what swing voters in these important states view as priority issues. How does holding up a more popular bipartisan bill for a less popular partisan one play with swing voters, do you think?

Off of that I'd also argue that in the states that are going to matter most in 2024 (I'd have to look into 2022), the voters that actually swing elections probably never did (and will not in the near future view) view the Democratic-only bill as some great thing that would positively impacted their lives. I don't even think the problem is necessarily the bill itself, but I do think that the messaging has been pretty awful in totality and that spending so much political will on the fantasy $3.5 trillion bill knowing Manchin was the 50th vote was dumb as shirt and has portrayed to people that Democrats really do not know what the fork they're doing.

What you say is thoughtful and makes sense. The only thought I would add is that most voters are motivated by fear. I'm not convinced that passing these two bills is going to significantly help Democrats next year. After all, we passed a massive $700 billion economic stimulus bill in 2009 during the Great Recession and the Republicans still had massive gains in the House and Senate in 2010.

I think most conservative moderates and independent voters are pretty clueless, and they won't even realize that the Democrats are responsible for their improved economic situation once these two bills are passed.
However, passage of these two bills could help energize the Democratic base.

Still, I think the blunt message that the Republicans are fascists and dangerous to our democracy would energize Democratic voters even more. And that message should be repeated by Biden and Democratic leaders every single day.

 

[Paul]

Still, I think the blunt message that the Republicans are fascists and dangerous to our democracy would energize Democratic voters even more. And that message should be repeated by Biden and Democratic leaders every single day.

Nope, that would create fertile ground for the election of another Trump type. And it is possible this time they elect someone that is not as dumb as Trump.

Fighting polarization with polarization creates more polarization.

Left wing ID politics encourages right wing ID politics.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

"CRT isn't being taught in schools"

I wonder why Critical Race Theory is on the Virginia Department of Education website?

Here's the Superintendent James Lane's reading list for teachers who had requested literature that examines the issues of racial inequities in education:

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/administrators/superintendents_memos/2019/050-19.docx

Critical Race Theory:

It's also includes the horrible book White Fragility.

The Dehumanizing Condescension of 'White Fragility'

The popular book aims to combat racism but talks down to Black people.

www.theatlantic.com

This link also contains references to Critical Race Theory:

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/virginia_tiered_system_supports/resources/2015_fall_institute/Legal_implications_of_discipline.pdf

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It's obvious that the right has exploited and exaggerated CRT in schools, but to pretend that it's not being taught in schools is disingenuous and a Democratic talking point.

So why are you against Critical Race Theory?

What is YOUR problem with it?

 

[Paul]

So why are you against Critical Race Theory?

What is YOUR problem with it?

CRT is very depressing and causes hopelessness. CRT is best taught in graduate school. Children should be taught history as it was without the concept that the entire system is racist and there is no hope.