Moderates that voted for Biden in Virginia are now voting Republican. (1 Viewer)

[Paul]

The middle makes the difference once again. Why?

McAuliffe made an error with the school issue to appease the CRT crowd. A costly strategic error.

Terry McAuliffe’s War on Parents | National Review

Parents know the most about their kids, care the most about their kids, and should have a say in their education.

www.nationalreview.com

On another note CNN described Michelle Wu a moderate as the first woman of color to be mayor. The media recruiting minorities.

 

[J-DONK]

There was a good article from Slate. I haven’t read the Vox piece, but it seems this one comes to a different conclusion:

What the Polls Really Tell Us About How Critical Race Theory Affected the Virginia Election

One thing is for sure: The CRT panic successfully scared a lot of white people.

slate.com

‘As a wedge issue, CRT was working. But it wasn’t working by appealing to parents, as Republicans pretended. It was working by appealing to white people. In the Fox News poll, white respondents opposed the teaching of CRT by 24 percentage points, but parents opposed it by only five points. That’s because many parents aren’t white, and the poll’s nonwhite respondents were twice as likely to favor CRT as to oppose it. When Republicans talk about a parental backlash against CRT, they’re not talking about all parents. They’re talking about white parents.’

Here is Vox's conclusion based on the actual election results.

The election returns from Virginia show a uniform swing against McAuliffe, not an especially strong backlash in areas where CRT was an especially prominent issue. In New Jersey’s gubernatorial race, there was a similarly sized swing against Democrats despite CRT not being a major part of the campaign.

A broader look at election night on November 2 tells a different and more familiar story: McAuliffe lost because of a nationalized backlash against an unpopular incumbent president.

 

[J-DONK]

Yea i've read that, I just don't agree with their analysis.

The democrats couldn't attempt to put out a message because the CRT hoopla took up all the oxygen.

White people don't like to talk about racism, even the one's who don't consider themselves racist.

NYT reporter who lives in the market, about the ads. That aren't all CRT.

 

[MT15]

Here is Vox's conclusion based on the actual election results.

Their conclusion is an assumption they made based on election results, if I am reading correctly. Polls showed that this wasn’t really a referendum on Biden or Trump, as most people said they were not looking at this election in that way.

Oh, and parental choice is exactly about CRT.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

The real reason why the Dems lost Virginia? They failed to grab the lowest hanging fruit possible:

Paint the GOP as the party of violence, sedition, and white supremacy from the get go, and never let up. Just 24/7, relentlessly, focus on their love of violence, sedition, and pull no punches.

Especially after January 6th. If they had done even a halfway competent job of this, there is no way the GOP would still be standing as a viable party. Instead, the Dems barely bring up the subject, and usually just go after Trump, only, when they do, not the entire GOP. They never should have tried to separate Trump from the GOP. They're all in this together.

 

[Farb]

I think they have pushed that narrative 24/7 and just as the story of the boy who cries wolf, the people are just getting exhausted from every thing the left does is a matter of life and death, democracy or dictatorship, freedom or white supremacy. At some point, they need to show the receipts on these 'existential crisis' and the normal 'rubes' in fly over country looked at the receipts and they didn't add up so they are skeptical to say the least.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

I think they have pushed that narrative 24/7 and just as the story of the boy who cries wolf, the people are just getting exhausted from every thing the left does is a matter of life and death, democracy or dictatorship, freedom or white supremacy. At some point, they need to show the receipts on these 'existential crisis' and the normal 'rubes' in fly over country looked at the receipts and they didn't add up so they are skeptical to say the least.

The Democrats haven't even come close to pushing this narrative 24/7. Foolish naive Biden has said repeatedly that things would return to "normal" once Trump was out of the picture. That has not happened.

Pelosi should hold a vote in the House right now to hold the 7 Republican traitors accountable for helping plan the Jan 6 insurrection.

It doesn't matter if the vote fails. The Democrats need to show the entire country that they are going to take a stand against these fascist traitors and punch them in the mouth and fight for democracy. Not only that, it puts Republicans in Congress on the defensive and forces them to take a difficult, uncomfortable vote.

The Democrats are making life way too easy for the Republicans after Jan 6 and they will pay the price for this in Nov 2022.

 

[MT15]

I think they have pushed that narrative 24/7 and just as the story of the boy who cries wolf, the people are just getting exhausted from every thing the left does is a matter of life and death, democracy or dictatorship, freedom or white supremacy. At some point, they need to show the receipts on these 'existential crisis' and the normal 'rubes' in fly over country looked at the receipts and they didn't add up so they are skeptical to say the least.

There is some truth to what you say. Outrage is easy to drum up. I am trying to reserve it for when it’s really needed.

Unfortunately Trump’s actions after the election and the GOP covering for Jan. 6 should be considered a warning sign for our democracy. The will of the people needs to have good faith operating on both sides, because we don’t have enough guardrails to keep someone like Trump who is determined enough to break the rules from taking over. I thought we did, but we obviously don’t. We should be working on that together, because the next Trump just might come from the left. It’s in everyone’s best interests.

The question is, will you be able to see it from your side? Do you actually believe that a school board in VA was so ideologically corrupt that they covered up a rape by a transgender teen in order to advance their agenda?

 

[J-DONK]

Their conclusion is an assumption they made based on election results, if I am reading correctly. Polls showed that this wasn’t really a referendum on Biden or Trump, as most people said they were not looking at this election in that way.

Oh, and parental choice is exactly about CRT.

Is parental choice about CRT? You sure about that?

Danny Barefoot did a focus group with suburban women who voted Northam-Biden-Youngkin. These are people who flipped. Less then a third are sure if CRT is being taught in their schools. It's clear after spending a year with their kids at home doing virtual learning that they feel they should have some say in their education.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Their conclusion is an assumption they made based on election results, if I am reading correctly. Polls showed that this wasn’t really a referendum on Biden or Trump, as most people said they were not looking at this election in that way.

Oh, and parental choice is exactly about CRT.

Which is a mistake by the Democratic Party, by the way. They shouldn't let the Republican Party dictate the terms of the election. They shouldn't let the Republican Party full of traitors get away with pretending that Jan 6 didn't happen.

This election absolutely should have been a referendum on Trump and the entire GOP. If the Democrats were smart, every election in this country for the next 10 years would be about Trump, the GOP, and Jan 6.

 

[MT15]

Is parental choice about CRT? You sure about that?

Danny Barefoot did a focus group with suburban women who voted Northam-Biden-Youngkin. These are people who flipped. Less then a third are sure if CRT is being taught in their schools. It's clear after spending a year with their kids at home doing virtual learning that they feel they should have some say in their education.

let me put it another way - every time Youngkin said school choice, he was talking about CRT. It hit the people he wanted it to hit.

 

[samiam5211]

let me put it another way - every time Youngkin said school choice, he was talking about CRT. It hit the people he wanted it to hit.

It was his way of motivating the Trump part of the party without having to attach himself to Trump and alienating the non Trump part of the party.

If he hadn't talked about CRT or school choice (which are both dogwhistles to Trumpers) the Trump base would not have turned out and he would have lost.

If instead, he had Trump come do rallys for him, it would have turned off the non trump conservative women, and they would not have turned out and he would have lost.

 

[J-DONK]

let me put it another way - every time Youngkin said school choice, he was talking about CRT. It hit the people he wanted it to hit.

Man, I posted a focus group with suburban moms swing voters. If CRT was actually your boogeyman it would show up. It doesn't. It's reductive, and lazy to blame it on racism/sexism every time we lose a race.

 

[MT15]

You are either not understanding me, or you are choosing to not understand.

The people voting were not racist, but the way the R party handled CRT, the way they used it to signify “indoctrination” of children by scary elitist school administrators and teachers was racist. And the salon article showed clearly that it worked.

Youngkin knew what he was doing. It was the modern day reiteration of the Southern Strategy of Lee Atwater.

 

[samiam5211]

Man, I posted a focus group with suburban moms swing voters. If CRT was actually your boogeyman it would show up. It doesn't. It's reductive, and lazy to blame it on racism/sexism every time we lose a race.

Swing voters don't determine elections.

Younkin won because he was able to turn out the Trump republicans and the moderate republicans.

If the Trump republicans had stayed home, no amount of swinging mom's would have been able to save him.

CRT is what got the Trump republicans motivated enough to turn out without any Trump campaign events.

 

[Farb]

I think the left gives Trump way too much credit. I don't see the blind loyalty that everyone claims with Trump.
Most conservatives and Repubs I know don't like the guy and don't want him to run again, although the melt down would be fun to watch. We did like his policy and maybe that is what is confusing to dems.
Are there actual Trump fans out there? I am sure there are, I just don't know of any.

Then again, I don't know any white nationalists but I am told they are everywhere.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

I think the left gives Trump way too much credit. I don't see the blind loyalty that everyone claims with Trump.
Most conservatives and Repubs I know don't like the guy and don't want him to run again, although the melt down would be fun to watch. We did like his policy and maybe that is what is confusing to dems.
Are there actual Trump fans out there? I am sure there are, I just don't know of any.

Then again, I don't know any white nationalists but I am told they are everywhere.

Well, you're wrong. That's why McConnell gave a 10 minute speech lambasting Trump back in Feb after the second impeachment trial, but now constantly bends the knee for Trump.

That's why Kevin McCarthy initially held Trump responsible for the Jan 6 insurrection, but now constantly bends the knee for Trump.

That's why every Republican in Congress who attempts to hold Trump accountable, such as Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, have become pariahs inside their own party.

Your party is not even a political party anymore. It's a fascist cult that worships one man.

 

[coldseat]

Is parental choice about CRT? You sure about that?

Danny Barefoot did a focus group with suburban women who voted Northam-Biden-Youngkin. These are people who flipped. Less then a third are sure if CRT is being taught in their schools. It's clear after spending a year with their kids at home doing virtual learning that they feel they should have some say in their education.

What do you think those parents mean when they say the "A lot" of input into children's curriculum? Does that mean to them that they (the parents) decide what is taught to their children? How exactly is that supposed to work for a teacher to consult with 25 parents and develop and individual curriculum for each student based on the parents preferences? That is a entirely unrealistic expectations and I suspect those parents already know that. So what is it that they mean?

If they want more input, those parents already have the opportunity to chime in on lessons and curriculum though public hearings on those matters and though giving their input to state boards of educations. Most parents will never do those things. So what else do they want?

What they want of for their children not to be taught certain things. What are those things? The bogyman CRT stuff they hear about in their conservative media. How do I know that? Because a full 77% of them either believe or are unsure of CRT is being taught to their kids when we know it's not. Parental choice in the context of this election was certainly about CRT messaging from the right, even if all those who claim parental choice for their vote say it wasn't.

Maybe that's not the only reason Youngkin won, but it was certainly a main driver. The other reason is just the same old Democrats staying home during the midterms.

It wasn't really that surprising a result anyway given historical trends.

 

[Farb]

Well, you're wrong. That's why McConnell gave a 10 minute speech lambasting Trump back in Feb after the second impeachment trial, but now constantly bends the knee for Trump.

That's why Kevin McCarthy initially held Trump responsible for the Jan 6 insurrection, but now constantly bends the knee for Trump.

That's why every Republican in Congress who attempts to hold Trump accountable, such as Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, have become pariahs inside their own party.

Your party is not even a political party anymore. It's a fascist cult that worships one man.

Yeah, I don't think so. The fact that Trump makes you guys so emotional to why you get confused on policy over personality.
Cheney and Kinzinger are exactly the republicans that, what you mistakenly label as 'trump voters' don't want anymore. Just like the old dog dems you all have moved on from, so have we moved on from the Rhino party. The new republicans ( aka trump voters) are actually more along the lines of America first voters, that is the disconnect inside the the democratic party. You guys see it worshipping of a single man when in actuality it is the backing of that man's political thought (America first in all things). The good news for us, is there are much more palatable people that share that political point of view other than Trump.

Like I said, being a conservative and a republican, I don't see support for Trump, never mind 'worship'. I see a lot of support for DeSantis and a fingers crossed, hold your breath and pray Trump doesn't decide to actually run again (although, you know he will, as his pride won't let him do otherwise).