Moderates that voted for Biden in Virginia are now voting Republican. (3 Viewers)

[Paul]

The middle makes the difference once again. Why?

McAuliffe made an error with the school issue to appease the CRT crowd. A costly strategic error.

Terry McAuliffe’s War on Parents | National Review

Parents know the most about their kids, care the most about their kids, and should have a say in their education.

www.nationalreview.com

On another note CNN described Michelle Wu a moderate as the first woman of color to be mayor. The media recruiting minorities.

 

[brandon]

Good point in replying to my hyperbole Brandon. I see a need for the above, however, I see no need for the Political commissar. That is an opinion Brandon. I would hate to be in an environment that is policed in such manner. I can also understand why you like that as the left favors a much greater role of the government in our lives and choices. I tend to be a bit of a libertarian and that sort of control is not of my liking.

To borrow from Shakespeare:

a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

 

[Paul]

To borrow from Shakespeare:

a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

I can understand your frustration Brandon. IN typical fasion you resort to that sort of innuendo. The fact that I have a different perspective should not be taken as an insult Brandon.

Ad Hominem (Personal Attack or Attacking the Person) The fallacy of responding to an opponent's argument by changing the subject to the person who gave the subject, introducing the false assumption that a person of this sort cannot offer an argument worth considering.

 

[Paul]

Which has nothing to do with your original premise. I swear, following you from statement to statement is like watching a hyper kitten chase a laser pointer.

I will admit I tend to go off the tangent CM. I will keep it simpler next time. Good point CM!

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I can understand your frustration Brandon. IN typical fasion you resort to that sort of innuendo. The fact that I have a different perspective should not be taken as an insult Brandon.

Ad Hominem (Personal Attack or Attacking the Person) The fallacy of responding to an opponent's argument by changing the subject to the person who gave the subject, introducing the false assumption that a person of this sort cannot offer an argument worth considering.

He wasn't responding to an argument. He was responding to what you clearly stated was an opinion. Stop accusing others of things you know to be untrue. It's shirtty behavior.

 

[zztop]

Somehow I am not surprised this was coming.
Kill the messenger!!!

Anything supported by Koch brothers, big tobacco and oil companies should be scrutinized

 

[Paul]

Anything supported by Koch brothers, big tobacco and oil companies should be scrutinized

The humanities and sociology faculties in most colleges are dominated by the left . This has been true for a long time. If you don’t believe that it is ok. This is no big deal to me. It only shows that many of you guys live deep in your echo chambers.

 

[Paul]

He wasn't responding to an argument. He was responding to what you clearly stated was an opinion. Stop accusing others of things you know to be untrue. It's shirtty behavior.

I do not tolerate posters that use insulting remarks when they are unable to form an argument. You need to clean your act CM.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I do not tolerate posters that use insulting remarks when they are unable to form an argument. You need to clean your act CM.

I was stating an opinion, not forming an argument. You accused him of trying to avoid your argument. I correctly pointed out that you specifically framed your comment as an opinion and not an argument. What you did was clearly deceptive, and engaging in deception while having an honest discussion is shirtty behavior, period.

 

[Paul]

I was stating an opinion, not forming an argument. You accused him of trying to avoid your argument. I correctly pointed out that you specifically framed your comment as an opinion and not an argument. What you did was clearly deceptive, and engaging in deception while having an honest discussion is shirtty behavior, period.

You win CM
I love to let you win

 

[V Chip]

A true old fashion liberal is one that allows both sides to be heard. These days liberals are intolerant SJWs.

No they’re not. That’s the just the caricature you created to rail against.

I mean if you believe that truly, then you must believe these days conservatives are racist, unempathetic anti-intellectuals. But I’ve never seen you post anything remotely like that, so I know it’s just your bluster typing and not logical.

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[Bolo]

Not really surprising, although, I think VA governor vote is a situation that is more of a bad candidate that said some rather stupid things rather than people being overly upset with the entirety of the democrat party. I think the Democrats are going to have a tougher road from now until 2022 midterms than the Republicans will. I'm expecting a Republican take over of congress in 2022 which will pretty much lame duck Biden the rest of the way.

 

[MT15]

What she says is correct in some ways.

But I think her explanation does fail in the aspect of CRT: people were “opposed” to CRT because Rs made it into something that it is not, and lied about it. So when someone truly doesn’t understand an issue because they‘ve been lied to, then it’s very difficult to explain the issue to them, without saying “you don’t understand”.

It’s especially infuriating when this happens purposefully, as a plan cooked up to deceive people, as in the case of CRT.

That said, if you agree with her that this is a class issue, then you should vote Democratic. They are at least making a good faith effort to improve the lives of working class voters. Rs haven’t done anything to do that.

 

[J-DONK]

That said, if you agree with her that this is a class issue, then you should vote Democratic. They are at least making a good faith effort to improve the lives of working class voters. Rs haven’t done anything to do that.

This is ignoring that Terry is firmly in the pro-corporate wing of the party. That attacks the other wing of the party trying hardest to improve the lives of the working class.

In fact, many people would argue the Clinton Administration third-way was the definitive abandoning of working class voters by Democrats.

I would imagine the tax rebates, and cuts that Youngkin proposed was a much bigger issue then CRT, or racism. It shouldn't be a shock to anyone that a Clintonite got out "Populist" by a rich Republican. We might have just watched a replay of something from 2016.

 

[samiam5211]

This is ignoring that Terry is firmly in the pro-corporate wing of the party. That attacks the other wing of the party trying hardest to improve the lives of the working class.

In fact, many people would argue the Clinton Administration third-way was the definitive abandoning of working class voters by Democrats.

I would imagine the tax rebates, and cuts that Youngkin proposed was a much bigger issue then CRT, or racism. It shouldn't be a shock to anyone that a Clintonite got out "Populist" by a rich Republican. We might have just watched a replay of something from 2016.

I think you may be downplaying the impact all the CRT crap had on the election.

The best way to see what issues mattered the most is to look at the ads that ran. Not because those issues were important, but because those issues are the ones that the people putting money into the campaigns thought was the best use of their money.

Terry McAuliff was a terrible candidate, and should have never been nominated, but people supporting a Republican candidate because they are a "populist" means that they are concerned mainly with the common man's view on racism, sexual orientation and abortion, not because they are concerned about economics.

 

[J-DONK]

I think you may be downplaying the impact all the CRT crap had on the election.

The best way to see what issues mattered the most is to look at the ads that ran. Not because those issues were important, but because those issues are the ones that the people putting money into the campaigns thought was the best use of their money.

Terry McAuliff was a terrible candidate, and should have never been nominated, but people supporting a Republican candidate because they are a "populist" means that they are concerned mainly with the common man's view on racism, sexual orientation and abortion, not because they are concerned about economics.

I'm really not downplaying CRT.

Vox did a good deep dive into the race. I would read this.

Did critical race theory really swing the Virginia election?

Attacks on CRT and school education on racial issues have gotten a lot of credit for Glenn Youngkin’s victory. A closer look at the evidence tells a more complicated story.

www.vox.com

 

[samiam5211]

I'm really not downplaying CRT.

Vox did a good deep dive into the race. I would read this.

Did critical race theory really swing the Virginia election?

Attacks on CRT and school education on racial issues have gotten a lot of credit for Glenn Youngkin’s victory. A closer look at the evidence tells a more complicated story.

www.vox.com

Yea i've read that, I just don't agree with their analysis.

The democrats couldn't attempt to put out a message because the CRT hoopla took up all the oxygen.

White people don't like to talk about racism, even the one's who don't consider themselves racist.

 

[MT15]

There was a good article from Slate. I haven’t read the Vox piece, but it seems this one comes to a different conclusion:

What the Polls Really Tell Us About How Critical Race Theory Affected the Virginia Election

One thing is for sure: The CRT panic successfully scared a lot of white people.

slate.com

‘As a wedge issue, CRT was working. But it wasn’t working by appealing to parents, as Republicans pretended. It was working by appealing to white people. In the Fox News poll, white respondents opposed the teaching of CRT by 24 percentage points, but parents opposed it by only five points. That’s because many parents aren’t white, and the poll’s nonwhite respondents were twice as likely to favor CRT as to oppose it. When Republicans talk about a parental backlash against CRT, they’re not talking about all parents. They’re talking about white parents.’