General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (10 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

How would MAGA nation react to that?

they'd blame Obama or George Soros somehow...

 

[brandon]

If anyone believes for one second that Vance and Trump’s cabinet (filled with Project 2025 authors) would hesitate for one second to use the 25th Amendment to shove Trump aside, then they are naive to a fault. There’s plenty of evidence that Trump is in mental decline.

Honestly, it's a bit on the nose for Democrats to continually do the thing that Republicans were doing to Biden. Trump is awful, but he's no more insane or incompetent than he was four years ago.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Rufus Wainwright has condemned Donald Trump after his recording of Leonard Cohen’s song “Hallelujah” was played at a chaotic campaign event for the Republican presidential candidate.

The Canadian singer-songwriter called Trump’s use of the song “the height of blasphemy” and said he was “mortified” in a strongly worded statement, which coincided with a cease-and-desist order from Cohen’s estate.

Wainwright, whose version of “Hallelujah” was released in 2001 as part of the soundtrack for the animated film Shrek, called the song an “anthem dedicated to peace, love and acceptance of the truth. I’ve been supremely honoured over the years to be connected with this ode to tolerance.”

“Witnessing Trump and his supporters commune with this music last night was the height of blasphemy,” he said.

“Of course, I in no way condone this and was mortified, but the good in me hopes that perhaps in inhabiting and really listening to the lyrics of Cohen’s masterpiece, Donald Trump just might experience a hint of remorse over what he’s caused. I’m not holding my breath.”……….

Rufus Wainwright attacks Trump’s use of Leonard Cohen cover during chaotic town hall

Folk artist issued an impassioned statement as Leonard Cohen’s estate sent a cease-and-desist order to the Republican presidential candidate

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Lapaz]

A lot of stupid things were said in the Chicago interview.

Regarding tariffs. His rationale for tariffs is that the penalty will EVENTUALLY prompt companies to build manufacturing plants in the U.S. The stick approach may prompt SOME companies to manufacture in the U.S., but they won't be able to sell those outside the U.S., because the subsequent inflation that it will cause will price their products out of markets outside the U.S. The U.S. manufacturers face downward price pressure to compete with products from other markets, but the tariffs will allow them to raise their prices, because consumers won't have choices. Besides, jobs are not a problem in the U.S. The unemployment rate is near record lows. Even manufacturing jobs have been going up gradually since 2010, and that's against the grain of automation, which puts downward pressure on manufacturing jobs. (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MANEMP). If he deports millions of immigrants, that will also have a huge upward affect on inflation. We might see Venezuelan levels of inflation with Trump's tariffs.

Trump's protectionist and punitive tariffs policy are a stark contrast to open trade policies which have generated great wealth and prosperity. It will create huge inflation, shortages, and fewer product choices. We will fall behind the rest of the world's advances, as fewer of their products enter our market. It would be another step towards destroying this country, and Russia and China will love it.

Regarding immigrant deportation. He was asked about a smaller economy that will result after deporting 11 million people. He dodged that answer by claiming that 425,000 of those immigrants are horrible criminals. Then Trump says 13,099 were released into our streets, but contradicts that by saying they are in jail. Of course that also implies that over 411,000 committed crimes that didn't require prison. I suspect that most of those "horrible" criminals committed misdemeanors. Then Trump went on his rant about how these countries are emptying jails and insane asylums without proof or support from real crime statistics. Then the interviewer tried to get him to answer the question about the economy. Trump's answer is that he wants immigrants that "love" our country. How does Trump evaluate whether they love our country? What is his test? I suspect that it will be racist, religious-based, and transactional. Then he goes on a rant about Springfield nonsense. Then the interviewer went back to the economy question, and he gave a nonsense answer about getting people back in to the country quickly, but that he doesn't want killers. The interviewer then pointed out that the crime rate is down.

 

[coldseat]

Honestly, it's a bit on the nose for Democrats to continually do the thing that Republicans were doing to Biden. Trump is awful, but he's no more insane or incompetent than he was four years ago.

Democrats need to keep doing it every chance they get. It's working because they have him responding and ranting about it, and the media and his supporters talking about it. At the worst, it will work to put doubts about Trump in the mind of some of those very few voters on the margins.

Also, I beg to disagree. Trump is more insane and less competent than he was 4 years ago. He can't even string together a cogent thought.

 

[MT15]

Honestly, it's a bit on the nose for Democrats to continually do the thing that Republicans were doing to Biden. Trump is awful, but he's no more insane or incompetent than he was four years ago.

I disagree. He’s just as awful and insane, but there are definitely signs of mental decline as well. I didn’t think so until I saw a side by side from one of his 2016 rallies and this year. Whether it’s age related or he’s depressed, idk. But it’s noticeable.

 

[Lapaz]

I disagree. He’s just as awful and insane, but there are definitely signs of mental decline as well. I didn’t think so until I saw a side by side from one of his 2016 rallies and this year. Whether it’s age related or he’s depressed, idk. But it’s noticeable.

I think he's possibly more more awful and insane than he was in 2016. That seems to happen to people that are in early stages of dementia. Some of the things he is proposing this time are far worse than what he proposed in 2016. The retribution against law enforcement and political opponents using the justice department, use of the military on our citizens, punishing dissenting press, and the mass deportations are far worse. In 2016 he was all about building a wall to deter further migration, tax cuts (mainly for the rich), putting in conservative judges, harsher policing, getting rid of Obamacare, and cozying up with ruthless dictators, but I don't remember anything that he proposed in 2016 nor 2020 that are nearly as crazy and dangerous as the stuff he's proposing now. The most dangerous thing I remember was getting rid of the JCPOA deal with Iran. To make matters worse, he used to talk about putting in the best people, and he actually did select SOME good people, but now it is all about loyalty to him, so there won't be people to check his worse intentions that he is now espousing.

 

[efil4]

Trumps "Town hall for Women" hosted by Fox

first question posed by a woman in the crowd isnt a random woman. lolol. You simply cant make this up.

 

[SamAndreas]

I voted yesterday. I took my ballot directly to the elections office and put in it their street side ballot box to be sure it got there.

Today I saw this:

 

[SamAndreas]

Rufus Wainwright has condemned Donald Trump after his recording of Leonard Cohen’s song “Hallelujah” was played at a chaotic campaign event for the Republican presidential candidate.

The Canadian singer-songwriter called Trump’s use of the song “the height of blasphemy” and said he was “mortified” in a strongly worded statement, which coincided with a cease-and-desist order from Cohen’s estate.

Wainwright, whose version of “Hallelujah” was released in 2001 as part of the soundtrack for the animated film Shrek, called the song an “anthem dedicated to peace, love and acceptance of the truth. I’ve been supremely honoured over the years to be connected with this ode to tolerance.”

“Witnessing Trump and his supporters commune with this music last night was the height of blasphemy,” he said.

“Of course, I in no way condone this and was mortified, but the good in me hopes that perhaps in inhabiting and really listening to the lyrics of Cohen’s masterpiece, Donald Trump just might experience a hint of remorse over what he’s caused. I’m not holding my breath.”……….

Rufus Wainwright attacks Trump’s use of Leonard Cohen cover during chaotic town hall

Folk artist issued an impassioned statement as Leonard Cohen’s estate sent a cease-and-desist order to the Republican presidential candidate

www.independent.co.uk

Leonard Cohen would have been upset as well about it if he were still alive. In his song Democracy he wrote these lines.

"It's coming from the sorrow in the street"
" The holy places where the races meet."




He wrote this song to commemorate the election victory by Bill Clinton.

 

[Taurus]

I voted yesterday. I took my ballot directly to the elections office and put in it their street side ballot box to be sure it got there.

Today I saw this:

Gotta love those "Technically you can do this but in reality it'll never happen."

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Rufus Wainwright has condemned Donald Trump after his recording of Leonard Cohen’s song “Hallelujah” was played at a chaotic campaign event for the Republican presidential candidate.

The Canadian singer-songwriter called Trump’s use of the song “the height of blasphemy” and said he was “mortified” in a strongly worded statement, which coincided with a cease-and-desist order from Cohen’s estate.

Wainwright, whose version of “Hallelujah” was released in 2001 as part of the soundtrack for the animated film Shrek, called the song an “anthem dedicated to peace, love and acceptance of the truth. I’ve been supremely honoured over the years to be connected with this ode to tolerance.”

“Witnessing Trump and his supporters commune with this music last night was the height of blasphemy,” he said.

“Of course, I in no way condone this and was mortified, but the good in me hopes that perhaps in inhabiting and really listening to the lyrics of Cohen’s masterpiece, Donald Trump just might experience a hint of remorse over what he’s caused. I’m not holding my breath.”……….

Rufus Wainwright attacks Trump’s use of Leonard Cohen cover during chaotic town hall

Folk artist issued an impassioned statement as Leonard Cohen’s estate sent a cease-and-desist order to the Republican presidential candidate

www.independent.co.uk

The Jeff Buckley version has been my favorite song ever since I heard it 20+ years ago.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[SamAndreas]

The Jeff Buckley version has been my favorite song ever since I heard it 20+ years ago.

I like the Cohen version of the Cohen song the best.

Insofar as being Jewish, Cohen was amoung the Chosen, he was a direct line descendant of biblical Aaron, Aaron was the high priest with Moses at the mount. The temple priests came from his line.

Descendant through Mary, Jesus was born of that priestly line as well.

Judaism doesn't do priests, or a temple anymore, but if they did Cohen would probably have been the high temple priest in Jerusalem instead of being a singer and songwriter from Canada.

He was also a Buddhist Monk for a time, which is compatible enough with Judaism, Jews are allowed to be both Jews and Buddhists.

There were more than a few Jews who thought Leonard Cohen was the messiah. It was talked about some amoung Jewish circles.

 

[MT15]

Daniel Dale says the fact check article from the town hall today could be written so fast because these are the same old lies told over and over.

 

[fooferdoggie]

trump comprehends worse than my dog when I am telling them they cant have my food.

 

[LA - L.A.]

If anyone believes for one second that Vance and Trump’s cabinet (filled with Project 2025 authors) would hesitate for one second to use the 25th Amendment to shove Trump aside, then they are naive to a fault. There’s plenty of evidence that Trump is in mental decline.

I was hoping the Harris-Walz campaign would make this argument. I think their timing is perfect.

If this gets to Trump, then I think it will plant a Sequoia of neurotic or psychotic insecurity in Trump's head. If that happens, Trump will turn on Vance and his Heritage Foundation buddies. That will lead to a major disruption in campaign activities, even if it's kept behind the scenes. What I don't think will be kept behind the scenes is Trump's unhinged, public overcompensation and overreacting.

I hope they repeat this message everywhere, loudly and constantly until the last polling place closes on Nov 5th.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Honestly, it's a bit on the nose for Democrats to continually do the thing that Republicans were doing to Biden. Trump is awful, but he's no more insane or incompetent than he was four years ago.

Trump may not be more insane or incompetent, but he is noticeably more cognitively declined. If he takes a legitimate cognitive orientation test, I think there's a high probability that he would score within the range that takes away people's legal right to make decisions for themselves. He's either in that range or right on the cusp.

Also, Biden's people had no intention of pushing him out. The Heritage Foundation, Vance, Thiel, and others will absolutely try to push Trump out and they'd have a good chance of succeeding.

Finally, I don't care how accurate it is or isn't as long as it helps Harris win and Trump lose. When someone else brings a gun to a knife fight, you'd better find and use a damn gun too.