General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (1 Viewer)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[TampaJoe]

Do you believe life begins at conception?

Personally I don’t think a fetus can be considered a human being at conception. I also don’t believe that it becomes a human being at birth. I was okay with Roe.

However, my point is that a great many well meaning US Citizens do in fact believe life begins at conception and many believe it begins when there is a heartbeat.

My point is that the rhetoric used to justify abortion is the same rhetoric used to justify the holocaust and slavery. When you dehumanize something, you can kill it.

Are people who are prochoice like Nazis? Is that a fair comparison. I don’t think so for reasons I have stated. That said I also don’t believe comparing folks who supported Trump to Nazis for those exact same reasons.

This rhetoric on both sides goes way too far. It needs to be ratcheted down. It’s dysfunctional and not productive.

 

[Sendai]

Well, I was not meaning you personally, more the MAGA world who are running around all puffed up and self-important. I saw some random Twitter user respond to an analyst - I think it was Tom Nichols - with a “shut up, we’re in charge now”. And Twitter is awash in MAGA folks acting much, much worse than that.

“In parliamentary procedure, a majority always means precisely "more than half".”

Trump didn’t win more than half the votes. He’s the thinnest victory in years and years.

Don’t recall

Well, I was not meaning you personally, more the MAGA world who are running around all puffed up and self-important. I saw some random Twitter user respond to an analyst - I think it was Tom Nichols - with a “shut up, we’re in charge now”. And Twitter is awash in MAGA folks acting much, much worse than that.

“In parliamentary procedure, a majority always means precisely "more than half".”

Trump didn’t win more than half the votes. He’s the thinnest victory in years and years.

a public election isn’t a parliamentary procedure.

 

[Sendai]

The last thing I’ve seen close to what you could call a mandate was Obama’s victory in his first term.

Given what he inherited, he needed it.

 

[J-DONK]

Personally I don’t think a fetus can be considered a human being at conception. I also don’t believe that it becomes a human being at birth. I was okay with Roe.

However, my point is that a great many well meaning US Citizens do in fact believe life begins at conception and many believe it begins when there is a heartbeat.

My point is that the rhetoric used to justify abortion is the same rhetoric used to justify the holocaust and slavery. When you dehumanize something, you can kill it.

Are people who are prochoice like Nazis? Is that a fair comparison. I don’t think so for reasons I have stated. That said I also don’t believe comparing folks who supported Trump to Nazis for those exact same reasons.

This rhetoric on both sides goes way too far. It needs to be ratcheted down. It’s dysfunctional and not productive.

This is a really bad argument.

The major debate points that are always get brought up.

Are DNR orders, and decisions to unplug braindead patients dehumanizing?

Most people understand the body alone does not make a person.

By the same rationale, every miscarriage should have some kind of accidential manslaughter charge.

You aren't dehumanizing something that's not an actual person. We hold that same logic consistently across a range of situations. It for some reason only becomes a sticky subject when the situation also involves women having sex.

I get it. We call authoritarians like Trump and his supporters, Nazi's. You don't like that.

 

[bird]

Personally I don’t think a fetus can be considered a human being at conception. I also don’t believe that it becomes a human being at birth. I was okay with Roe.

However, my point is that a great many well meaning US Citizens do in fact believe life begins at conception and many believe it begins when there is a heartbeat.

My point is that the rhetoric used to justify abortion is the same rhetoric used to justify the holocaust and slavery. When you dehumanize something, you can kill it.

Are people who are prochoice like Nazis? Is that a fair comparison. I don’t think so for reasons I have stated. That said I also don’t believe comparing folks who supported Trump to Nazis for those exact same reasons.

This rhetoric on both sides goes way too far. It needs to be ratcheted down. It’s dysfunctional and not productive.

They most certainly can believe it. There are problems which arise when they make claims about God when scripture is loaded with examples of God not being pro-life including termination of a pregnancy being a commercial or what we might call civil matter.

As for dehumanization? The claims of pro-life ring hollow when policies designed to help children and parents are deemed unacceptable. If those who claim to be pro-life were intellectually honest they would call themselves anti-abortion if they refuse programs that help.

Of course, God aborts thousands of babies every year through miscarriage and failure to implant.

Now, as regarding Nazism? The language of defining the blood of the nation is an agitprop term used by hyper-nationalist, generally, populist politicians seeking authoritarian power. That describes Nazism. Beyond that Trump hasn’t put forward a Final Solution but he has demonized people of various nationalities and ethnicities. Will he step closer? I don’t know and neither does anyone else. Do we want to take that risk? I don’t think so. And please don’t look for the Republican congress to impose restrictions on him. They either will cheer him on or are afraid for their political, if not real, lives.

The dehumanization rhetoric flies from both sides of the abortion issue.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Call it what you want.

As I have said numerous times, comparing today’s US politics to Nazism in the 30’s and 40’s is, in my view, the ultimate false equivalency. It matters not which leg you stand on or if you’re standing at all.

Stop shifting the goalposts. Nobody is comparing US politics to Nazism. What people are saying- and showing proof to back it up- is that Trump's rhetoric is eerily similar to that of Hitler. If I show you actual examples of this, will you believe it?