General Election 2024 Biden vs Trump (4 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

As we head toward the summer and the National Party Conventions, it might be handy to have a thread focused on the upcoming matchup of current President Biden vs Former President Trump.
As of April 28,2024 , CNN's poll shows Trump leading. Yet polls are not always accurate and they are constantly changing.
Feel free to use this thread for all things relating to Biden vs Trump.
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CNN Poll: Trump maintains lead over Biden in 2024 matchup as views on their presidencies diverge

Donald Trump continues to hold an advantage over President Joe Biden as the campaign – and Trump’s criminal trial – move forward, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS. And in the coming rematch, opinions about the first term of each man vying for a second four years in the White House...

www.yahoo.com

 

[coldseat]

Makes sense, he is the prime bootlicker.

 

[J-DONK]

Makes since. He is the prime bootlicker.

Yeah he is never making the Pence mistake again.

 

[fooferdoggie]

looks like Vance is the VP pick

I guess he won the most spineless toady challenge.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Can the staffers writing for Trump at least try to sound like him?

In a political satire pilot script I wrote, I have a Trump inspired character. It's a lot harder than it seems to write like Trump talks. It's easier to mimic and parody out loud, than it is to capture it on paper. It think his staffers just all gave up on trying to sound like him a long time ago.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

It was probably easier to pick Vance considering the turmoil with Biden right now. A different Dem nominee or Biden not fumbling and looking weak right now and Trump is probably picking someone else that would cater to the center. With numbers moving his direction, there's blood in the water and he likely said "fork it" and picked the sycophant.

 

[LA - L.A.]

It was probably easier to pick Vance considering the turmoil with Biden right now. A different Dem nominee or Biden not fumbling and looking weak right now and Trump is probably picking someone else that would cater to the center. With numbers moving his direction, there's blood in the water and he likely said "fork it" and picked the sycophant.

I don't think Trump was rational in this decision. I think he was always going to pick the sycophant Vance. Donors and people in his campaign have been fighting with him since before the debate not to pick Vance. I think that guaranteed he'd pick Vance. After having to vacate the presidency in 2020, because advisors kept him from doing the blatantly illegal things he wanted to do, I don't think Trump is ever going to listen to any advisor again over his own impulses

 

[Heathen]

 

[MT15]

Can the staffers writing for Trump at least try to sound like him?

Would you want to try to sound like that, if you could actually write a coherent sentence?

 

[barbar]

Trump will most likely lose.


True, Trump is a bully and the majority of Americans hate bullies. That's just one of many reasons why Trump will most likely lose.


That's certainly your opinion. That helps Biden as much, if not more, than it helps Trump. Most Americans rush to the defense of someone who's being bullied, they don't stand with the bully. Would you vote for Trump, because you see Trump as bullying a defenseless Biden?


Trump will only be able to ride that photo for 2 or maybe 3 weeks with anyone who didn't already support him before he was shot at. The idea that he will win the election because of it is either wishcasting or fearcasting. Being shot at will not win the election for Trump.


See it's right there. For the people already devoted to Trump, it's one more reason to pledge their devotion. Those people were already going to vote for Trump, weren't they?

The people who already decided to vote for Biden are still going to vote for Biden. Trump getting shot at will not change how they vote.

Some of the people who are truly undecided may lean toward Trump out of sympathy for being shot at, but they won't devote themselves to him. As soon as Trump reminds them why they aren't sold on Trump, and Trump will remind them very soon and very often, then they will lean right back to where they were and possibly more toward Biden.


So you blame all of us? That is certianly one of your options to choose from.

There is a lot to unpack there. I have a different take although I hope against all hope that your take is correct.

There is nothing that Biden could do or say that would ever make me vote for Trump, let me just make sure that is clear.

Trump's people LOVE him for bullying. There are a portion of independents who will also see this bullying as strength and vote for him over frail old Biden.

There is likely a portion of independents who will vote for him out of sympathy for being shot at.

As far as coming to the aid of those bullied...in my belief the line of thinking will be more like "if Trump can so easily bully Biden then what will Putin or other world dictators do with him?" It won't be voting for Biden out of sympathy from being bullied, IMO.

Blaming everyone....well yes. On the left, we have opportunities to put forth better candidates but we don't. We had no backup plan in the event that Biden is too old to run again. Yes....left is to blame. Maybe not you and me personally, but yes...the left carries some blame for the current situation. For different reasons than those on the right, however.

That's just my take....no one needs to agree with me. If I am proven wrong I will be extremely happy to be wrong in this case.

 

[SamAndreas]

There is a lot to unpack there. I have a different take although I hope against all hope that your take is correct.

There is nothing that Biden could do or say that would ever make me vote for Trump, let me just make sure that is clear.

Trump's people LOVE him for bullying. There are a portion of independents who will also see this bullying as strength and vote for him over frail old Biden.

There is likely a portion of independents who will vote for him out of sympathy for being shot at.

As far as coming to the aid of those bullied...in my belief the line of thinking will be more like "if Trump can so easily bully Biden then what will Putin or other world dictators do with him?" It won't be voting for Biden out of sympathy from being bullied, IMO.

Blaming everyone....well yes. On the left, we have opportunities to put forth better candidates but we don't. We had no backup plan in the event that Biden is too old to run again. Yes....left is to blame. Maybe not you and me personally, but yes...the left carries some blame for the current situation. For different reasons than those on the right, however.

That's just my take....no one needs to agree with me. If I am proven wrong I will be extremely happy to be wrong in this case.

You've said absolutely everything you need to say. So take a moment to relax.

Would it help to know that we as Americans have gone through this before, and we made the right choice once to correct it, we will likely make that same right choice again.

Almost exactly 100 years ago we were in almost exactly the same place we are now, we encountered the same problems and solved it then, I think we'll do it again. If you really looked close to history you might be able to find that this has come up over and over again in cyclic pattern all through history.

So many points of comparison are almost identical to 100 years ago, looks like now.

Watch this, and while watching this consider that both then and now, we had just gotten through a panepidicimic.

In 1918 it was worse for them, than Covid was for us in 2019. But they were comparable events in history, and now after the epidemic the times we are in are relatively the same place were were 100 years ago.



In the 1020's the KKK did to America about what MAGA is doing to us now.

Watch this video about the KKK taking over Colorado in the 1920's, see it that doesn't sound familiar to here and now?

The Colorado experience, KKK. MAGA now is somewhat like the KKK back then. It's an unstable political position, they will come and go, but they never will be stable, they will never last. They will never drive old dixie down:

 

[Bayouboy]

I'm in a depressed mood. It's looking more and more that an unhinged, narcissist psychopath will get re-elected to the White House. I can't understand this in my mind. It goes against everything logical and sensical. Could several unconnected random events in time, line up like holes in Swiss cheese, to provide the outcome that could unravel our democracy? As all of these events unfold, I can't help but wonder - How? Why?

I'm just praying this is a very exciting novel with plot twists and turns.....with the villain getting his just desserts in the end. I wonder how many people in Germany saw what was coming when Adolf Hitler came into power in the 1930's. I see this train wreck, plain as day.

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[MT15]

I know I’ve brought this up before but you have never addressed it.

Your criticism of Biden on Gaza rings hollow when contrasted with your support of Trump, who wants to immediately expel anyone who protested for Gaza on college campuses, and who would provide zero checks on anything Netanyahu wants to do to Palestinians.

Care to explain that contradiction?

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[MT15]

So did nobody in any of that mess ever acknowledge the actual reason for the need to have this electronic vote? None of them?

That omission makes everything you quoted just pure partisan bunk.

Okay: editing. That article is pure speculation and offers no proof whatsoever that the DNC plans to do what the article says. In fact, the DNC said there were no plans in place.

And isn’t this corporate media you are posting here? You really have zero criteria based in reality for what you believe - only pure partisan agitprop.

 

[SaintForLife]

It's hard to tell when he's not lying.



“I think if he is our nominee, I think we lose,” Schiff said according to a transcription of the meeting.

His private comments are much stronger than the comments he made on Meet The Press.

 

[SaintForLife]