General Election 2024 Biden vs Trump (2 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

As we head toward the summer and the National Party Conventions, it might be handy to have a thread focused on the upcoming matchup of current President Biden vs Former President Trump.
As of April 28,2024 , CNN's poll shows Trump leading. Yet polls are not always accurate and they are constantly changing.
Feel free to use this thread for all things relating to Biden vs Trump.
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CNN Poll: Trump maintains lead over Biden in 2024 matchup as views on their presidencies diverge

Donald Trump continues to hold an advantage over President Joe Biden as the campaign – and Trump’s criminal trial – move forward, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS. And in the coming rematch, opinions about the first term of each man vying for a second four years in the White House...

www.yahoo.com

 

[barbar]

I don’t think anyone who wasn’t already a Trump supporter will be moved by this. There will be a little temporary bump in the polls, but that was going to happen anyway due to the convention this week.

He’s already made fun of the shooter on the golf course, according to an employee who heard him. He won’t be able to stop being vile, and his policies are the same.

Also the shooter was a registered Republican, it’s hard to play martyr when it is your own party shooting at you.

I don't think they care that we was Republican. Somehow this is the Democrats fault.

I hope you are correct, however. People are moved by emotions and that bloody photo is gonna be hard to dismiss.

 

[J-DONK]

I don’t think anyone who wasn’t already a Trump supporter will be moved by this. There will be a little temporary bump in the polls, but that was going to happen anyway due to the convention this week.

He’s already made fun of the shooter on the golf course, according to an employee who heard him. He won’t be able to stop being vile, and his policies are the same.

Also the shooter was a registered Republican, it’s hard to play martyr when it is your own party shooting at you.

If the shooter had been a democrat it would have pushed voter turnout. Now? It's all bad for them. They will dig down deep in the conspiracy k-hole, but it's all unpleasant things awaiting them.

He was either a crazy person, or radicalized. If he was radicalized, that content is about to microscoped, and demonized.

 

[LA - L.A.]

No you keeping convincing yourself Trump is not gonna win. I think he will.

Not only do you think Trump is going to win, you're doing everything you possibly can to help Trump win, while pretending you won't want Trump to win. At least that's what I think. Anyone else agree?

Yesterday only helped him. Anyone else agree?

Trump getting shot at might help him get some temporary sympathy and possibly even a temporary, slight lean his way from an insignificant percentage of voters who are truly undecided. But it won't take Trump more than a week or two to piss that all away by reminding all of those people how vile and disgusting a human being he truly is.

When people found out Jeffrey Epstein died and thought he was murdered, did that change any of their minds or opinions about Epstein? No, it did not. Most people don't even have sympathy when something bad happens to bad people, let alone suddenly becoming their loyal followers.

When bad things happen to bad people, and Trump is as bad as they get, the overwhelming number of people quietly think to themselves, "it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy." Some even break social norms to say it out loud. So, the people that don't want Trump as president, aren't going to suddenly decide they want him for president just because he was shot at. Anyone who is truly undecided isn't going to suddenly overlook everything about Trump and pledge their undying loyalty to vote for him, because someone shot at him.

As soon as Trump reminds everyone who and what he is, and he will do that much sooner than later, everything will go right back to how they were before Trump was shot at. That's consistent with actual human nature. The idea that Trump suddenly just won the election is wishcasting or fearcasting to an nearly insane degree. It's not grounded in the reality of human nature or history in the age of telecommunications.

 

[LA - L.A.]

The same sizable amount of Americans who did not realize the reality of Joe Biden until the debate

This is all what I think.

Trump and your desperation is showing. The only response Trump and you have to:

• Trump trying to stage a coup after losing the election, almost 2/3's of voters agree Trump lost and are tired of him lying about it
• Trump telling the Jan 6th insurrectionist mob that Pence was a traitor, a significant percentage of Republicans left the party after that
• Said he wants Cheney, McConnell, all the Jan 6th commission members, US Generals, and many others tried for treason with the implication of public execution, over 2/3's of American voters say there's no place for that in America or from an American president
• Promises to immediately round up every immigrant in the US here without authorization, that's about 4 million people and each one of them have lots of family and friends who are legal residents. They also have lots of employers who's businesses will go bankrupt without out them, including almost every farmer and rancher in the country. If each one of those 4 million people have just 3 people vote against Trump because of that promise, that's 12 million votes that Trump lost
• Trump brags about overturning Roe and supports a national ban on abortion and contraceptive. 2/3's of voters have already shown us they are going to vote against anyone and anything that supports that.
• Trump and his fellow fascist boldly broadcasted the fascist plans of Trump's Project 2025 that people are starting to find out about and 75% of the voters who have found out about it have said they will not let it happen, which means they will not being voting for Trump.

The only response that Trump and you have to all of those realities is, "but...but...but...but...but...but...voters say Biden's too old." So what? Those very same voters also say Trump is too unfit. Funny how Trump and you always ignore that and desperately do everything you can to get others to ignore it.

Trump and you keep desperately trying to fool people into thinking that the majority of Americans won't vote for Biden "because 70% of people in polls say Biden's too old." Funny how Trump and you never mention and try to keep people distracted from the fact that in those same polls, the same percentage of those same voters also say Trump is too unfit to be president. You never mention or want to talk about that, do ya'?

Trump and you also ignore and try to make everyone else ignore that, in those very same polls those very same voters when asked how they will vote, they are statistically, evenly split between Biden and Trump. Those polls since 2022 have drastically underestimated the voting turnout of women and 66% of those women are voting against all things related to Trump and the overturning of Roe. So Trump is only even with Biden in polls that consistently underestimate the 66% of women who will vote for a literal jackass before voting for the figurative jackass, Trump.

I get Trump and your desperation to try to convince people not to vote for Biden, because he's "too old" and that they would be wasting their vote on Biden, because the other voters won't vote for Biden. It's a desperate attempt at the classic ploy of divide and conquer. Trump and you are lying and deceiving voters to try get them not to trust that the majority of their fellow voters will not do the right and the only sane thing of voting against Trump. You and Trump are desperately doing that, because it's the only hope Trump and you've got of Trump winning.

Trump and you don't realize you're walking into a trap from which Trump will not escape. Trump's being lead into a trap. Trump's impulsive and obsessive desire for immediate gratification keeps him and his minions from being able to play the long game. The Democrats, regardless of who their candidate ends up being, have been playing the long game, because that's how you win elections. Trump and his followers are going to find out the hard way come Sept and Oct that Trump and they have been playing tic tac toe, while their opponents have been playing 27 dimension chess. Those of us opposed to Trump or saving our strongest and best moves against Trump until Sept and Oct, because that's when elections are won and loss. Trump and his followers keep shooting their wads way too early and their powder is drenched. It only looks like Trump might be winning the battle at the moment, but that's only because the real fight hasn't even begun yet.

I'm saving my shorter quick hit versions of these more in depth TLDR posts until Sept. I already have a full rhetorical arsenal and I'll keep adding to it. I don't think I'll have an individually significant affect, but I trust I'll be one of the drops of water that collectively breaks the damn.


....that same block of people will not care about what you just pointed out. They are not MAP FORUM people. Yesterday's tragic lose of a 50 year old firefighter and the image of Trump's bloody ear will emotionally impact many people. The independent voters will by and large not have the hatred for Republicans that you seem to have...and they will focus more on the recent events ( the debate and the rally) more than they will reflect back on Jan 2021. This is my unemotional opinion that will likely make some of YOU emotional....if that materializes, it could be because you fear my Viewpoint might be correct.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Republican voters don't think that the "Right to Life" stance is "extreme"

Then it's a very good thing that:

• 49% of voters are Democratic or lean Democratic
• 48% of voters are Republican or lean Republican
• Democratic voters will not vote for Trump under any conditions and most, if not all, will turnout to vote for Biden.
• Many Republican voters and Republican leaders are openly saying they will vote for Biden and are calling on other Republicans to vote for Biden
• What Democratic voter or leader has said they will vote for Trump or is calling on Democrats to vote for Trump?

Trump is in trouble. He and everyone in his campaign know it. That's why they're desperately pounding the "Biden's too old" drum. It's the only drum they got and the only note they got. They have absolutely nothing after that. And even after the two weeks of non-stop, relentless "too old" attacks on Biden, Biden is still right there in the polls neck and neck with Trump in head to head voting, and those polls are not fully accounting for he millions of women, many registered Republicans, who are going to vote for Biden to keep Trump out of office.

Those polls also haven't accounted for the backlash against Trump that's going to come from Trump's Project 2025 and his promise to immediately round up around 4 million people. There's a huge backlash coming over that. Also, Trump being Trump, he's going to give American voters countless other reasons to vote against Trump before they vote. Trump is the one who can't go up and can only go down. Trump is the one that has all the support he will ever get. Being shot at is not going to change that in any meaningful, impactful or long lasting way.

Trump has already used the only play in his playbook against Biden and he threw it at Biden as hard as possible and as of right now, Biden came out of it standing. Trump has no more plays left to run. Biden has run a couple of plays from his Sean Payton sized playbook and that's been enough to keep him tied with Trump during the first half. In the second half, Sept and Oct, Biden will go full Sean Payton on Trump and Trump's got nothing to counter with but the already failed, predictable, and played out "but Biden's too old" play.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

This is all what I think.

Trump and your desperation is showing. The only response Trump and you have to:

• Trump trying to stage a coup after losing the election, almost 2/3's of voters agree Trump lost and are tired of him lying about it
• Trump telling the Jan 6th insurrectionist mob that Pence was a traitor, a significant percentage of Republicans left the party after that
• Said he wants Cheney, McConnell, all the Jan 6th commission members, US Generals, and many others tried for treason with the implication of public execution, over 2/3's of American voters say there's no place for that in America or from an American president
• Promises to immediately round up every immigrant in the US here without authorization, that's about 4 million people and each one of them have lots of family and friends who are legal residents. They also have lots of employers who's businesses will go bankrupt without out them, including almost every farmer and rancher in the country. If each one of those 4 million people have just 3 people vote against Trump because of that promise, that's 12 million votes that Trump lost
• Trump brags about overturning Roe and supports a national ban on abortion and contraceptive. 2/3's of voters have already shown us they are going to vote against anyone and anything that supports that.
• Trump and his fellow fascist boldly broadcasted the fascist plans of Trump's Project 2025 that people are starting to find out about and 75% of the voters who have found out about it have said they will not let it happen, which means they will not being voting for Trump.

The only response that Trump and you have to all of those realities is, "but...but...but...but...but...but...voters say Biden's too old." So what? Those very same voters also say Trump is too unfit. Funny how Trump and you always ignore that and desperately do everything you can to get others to ignore it.

Trump and you keep desperately trying to fool people into thinking that the majority of Americans won't vote for Biden "because 70% of people in polls say Biden's too old." Funny how Trump and you never mention and try to keep people distracted from the fact that in those same polls, the same percentage of those same voters also say Trump is too unfit to be president. You never mention or want to talk about that, do ya'?

Trump and you also ignore and try to make everyone else ignore that, in those very same polls those very same voters when asked how they will vote, they are statistically, evenly split between Biden and Trump. Those polls since 2022 have drastically underestimated the voting turnout of women and 66% of those women are voting against all things related to Trump and the overturning of Roe. So Trump is only even with Biden in polls that consistently underestimate the 66% of women who will vote for a literal jackass before voting for the figurative jackass, Trump.

I get Trump and your desperation to try to convince people not to vote for Biden, because he's "too old" and that they would be wasting their vote on Biden, because the other voters won't vote for Biden. It's a desperate attempt at the classic ploy of divide and conquer. Trump and you are lying and deceiving voters to try get them not to trust that the majority of their fellow voters will not do the right and the only sane thing of voting against Trump. You and Trump are desperately doing that, because it's the only hope Trump and you've got of Trump winning.

Trump and you don't realize you're walking into a trap from which Trump will not escape. Trump's being lead into a trap. Trump's impulsive and obsessive desire for immediate gratification keeps him and his minions from being able to play the long game. The Democrats, regardless of who their candidate ends up being, have been playing the long game, because that's how you win elections. Trump and his followers are going to find out the hard way come Sept and Oct that Trump and they have been playing tic tac toe, while their opponents have been playing 27 dimension chess. Those of us opposed to Trump or saving our strongest and best moves against Trump until Sept and Oct, because that's when elections are won and loss. Trump and his followers keep shooting their wads way too early and their powder is drenched. It only looks like Trump might be winning the battle at the moment, but that's only because the real fight hasn't even begun yet.

I'm saving my shorter quick hit versions of these more in depth TLDR posts until Sept. I already have a full rhetorical arsenal and I'll keep adding to it. I don't think I'll have an individually significant affect, but I trust I'll be one of the drops of water that collectively breaks the damn.


....that same block of people will not care about what you just pointed out. They are not MAP FORUM people. Yesterday's tragic lose of a 50 year old firefighter and the image of Trump's bloody ear will emotionally impact many people. The independent voters will by and large not have the hatred for Republicans that you seem to have...and they will focus more on the recent events ( the debate and the rally) more than they will reflect back on Jan 2021. This is my unemotional opinion that will likely make some of YOU emotional....if that materializes, it could be because you fear my Viewpoint might be correct.

I gave a thumbs up to your prior post because I thought it had some merit.
Halfway thru THIS post I stopped reading and I came down here to respond.
Your use of "Trump and you" made me not want to read all the way down to the bottom.
Gonna cut the grass before the day gets too hot to safely do so.
If ANYONE ELSE wants to give an opinion, I'll look at that in the early afternoon.
IF it is possible....and I recognize that it might not....yet if possible, please set aside personal emotions and condemning others and only focus on America....which LA did successfully do in the previous post...but not this one.
Once setting aside emotions and stuff..here is my tweaked question:
Do you think that the PA Rally incident will bring some people into Trump's pool of future voters?
Do you think that by the time we getting to the election it will not make any difference?
Do you think the PA Rally incident will turn some people away from Trump?
That's my question. That's it.
All responses on the topic that are topic focused and not Steve focused would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Then it's a very good thing that:

• 49% of voters are Democratic or lean Democratic
• 48% of voters are Republican or lean Republican
• Democratic voters will not vote for Trump under any conditions and most, if not all, will turnout to vote for Biden.
• Many Republican voters and Republican leaders are openly saying they will vote for Biden and are calling on other Republicans to vote for Biden
• What Democratic voter or leader has said they will vote for Trump or is calling on Democrats to vote for Trump?

Trump is in trouble. He and everyone in his campaign know it. That's why they're desperately pounding the "Biden's too old" drum. It's the only drum they got and the only note they got. They have absolutely nothing after that. And even after the two weeks of non-stop, relentless "too old" attacks on Biden, Biden is still right there in the polls neck and neck with Trump in head to head voting, and those polls are not fully accounting for he millions of women, many registered Republicans, who are going to vote for Biden to keep Trump out of office.

Those polls also haven't accounted for the backlash against Trump that's going to come from Trump's Project 2025 and his promise to immediately round up around 4 million people. There's a huge backlash coming over that. Also, Trump being Trump, he's going to give American voters countless other reasons to vote against Trump before they vote. Trump is the one who can't go up and can only go down. Trump is the one that has all the support he will ever get. Being shot at is not going to change that in any meaningful, impactful or long lasting way.

Trump has already used the only play in his playbook against Biden and he threw it at Biden as hard as possible and as of right now, Biden came out of it standing. Trump has no more plays left to run. Biden has run a couple of plays from his Sean Payton sized playbook and that's been enough to keep him tied with Trump during the first half. In the second half, Sept and Oct, Biden will go full Sean Payton on Trump and Trump's got nothing to counter with but the already failed, predictable, and played out "but Biden's too old" play.

I just saw this. I'm not sure that "Trump is in trouble" but I appreciate your post being focused on Trump and not me.
Anyway....grass cutting....shower....out in the town for a haircut.....then lunch....then back to here to read more posts.
See ya in a few.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Hmm. I was network hopping on my tv yesterday. I wanted to see how it compared...NBC....ABC....Fox....BBC....sorry CBS, I never watched you.
Anyway, I didn't come across anything from those 4 networks that focused on Rs pinning the blame on Dems or that Rs said this happened because the shooter was a Dem. I never saw a hint of that.

The majority of people no longer get their news from TV, only the "dinosaurs" still do that. The majority of people get their news through social media and websites. Social media and websites are inundated with posts and articles about Republicans blaming the attempt to kill Trump on Democrats. But you already know that, Steve, so why are you pretending you don't?

Possibly get outside of your echo chamber and your favorite X personalities.

That's the black hole calling the kettle black, right there. That's what that is.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I gave a thumbs up to your prior post because I thought it had some merit.
Halfway thru THIS post I stopped reading...

Cool.

 

[LA - L.A.]

My “echo chamber” is reading the posts of the GOP politicians who blamed it on Dems. Don’t try to gaslight me you Trump voter. Don’t you have to run away to some sort of activity by now?

Steve has repeatedly shown that he is not being dishonest and deceptive on this board. His actions speak louder than his words. He seems to be trying to convince us he hasn't been verifiably dishonest and deceitful with us. I hope no one falls for it and everyone continues to know he can't be taken at his word.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Somebody is getting really emotional.

Yes, Steve, you are and you always have been. When people are being dishonest, deceitful, irrational, illogical and inconsistent as you have been, they are acting out of their emotions and not their intellect and reason.

I hope there will be others who might respond to my 1) 2) or 3) multiple choice question from earlier.

Why would you hope people will give you what you very seldomly give them?

Your tactics are obvious, transparent and played out, Steve. They don't work anymore, but please keep on running those same played out plays. It makes things easier for the rest of us.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I keep checking here hoping other people will post...

Worry not, Steve, I got you.

 

[LA - L.A.]

People are posting, you just refuse to engage with most of it, and the one you did respond to was especially sexist and disgusting.

That's just Steve reminding us of who he is.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Trump will win.

Trump will most likely lose.

He is a bully...

True, Trump is a bully and the majority of Americans hate bullies. That's just one of many reasons why Trump will most likely lose.

...Biden no longer has the mental acumen to stand up to a bully.

That's certainly your opinion. That helps Biden as much, if not more, than it helps Trump. Most Americans rush to the defense of someone who's being bullied, they don't stand with the bully. Would you vote for Trump, because you see Trump as bullying a defenseless Biden?

Getting shot at yesterday was the best thing that could have happened to him. He will ride that photo with his bloody face and fist held high...

Trump will only be able to ride that photo for 2 or maybe 3 weeks with anyone who didn't already support him before he was shot at. The idea that he will win the election because of it is either wishcasting or fearcasting. Being shot at will not win the election for Trump.

I cannot believe what my conservative friends and family are all saying today. Trump was already their new Jesus, and now he is a living martyr.

See it's right there. For the people already devoted to Trump, it's one more reason to pledge their devotion. Those people were already going to vote for Trump, weren't they?

The people who already decided to vote for Biden are still going to vote for Biden. Trump getting shot at will not change how they vote.

Some of the people who are truly undecided may lean toward Trump out of sympathy for being shot at, but they won't devote themselves to him. As soon as Trump reminds them why they aren't sold on Trump, and Trump will remind them very soon and very often, then they will lean right back to where they were and possibly more toward Biden.

Watching you guys run the country into the ground from afar is depressing, but at least it has no real impact on my life.

So you blame all of us? That is certianly one of your options to choose from.

 

[LA - L.A.]

If the shooter had been a democrat it would have pushed voter turnout. Now? It's all bad for them. They will dig down deep in the conspiracy k-hole, but it's all unpleasant things awaiting them.

He was either a crazy person, or radicalized. If he was radicalized, that content is about to microscoped, and demonized.

If trying to kill Trump gets connected to the groyper (sp) movement within the far right base, then even if it's not true that's going to pit Trump against a large block of his voters. Trump can not win the election without that block. If Trump thinks one of them tried to kill him, he will wage rhetorical warfare against them and no one around him will be able to stop him. Loudmouth Fuentes (I think that's his name) has already implied the attempt on Trump's life was connected to groyper. Hopefully those loudmouths will keep shouting and implicating that they are connected to the attempt on Trump's life.

I'm sure you know a lot more of the nuances of how this will get bad for Trump and MAGA. I just know what you've shared and I'm diving into that cesspool of toxicity to learn more about them.

 

[SaintForLife]

Another Democrat acknowledging that Trump won't end democracy


Rep. Jared Golden (D-Maine) on Tuesday predicted former President Trump will win the 2024 election in November and said he is "OK with that."

Why it matters: Golden's prediction adds to a growing deluge of congressional Democrats opening up about their lack of confidence in President Biden to carry the Democratic ticket to victory.

Driving the news: Golden, a co-chair of the centrist Blue Dog Coalition, wrote in a Bangor Daily News op-ed that Biden's poor performance in last week's debate against Trump was "not a surprise" to him.

"It also didn't rattle me as it has others, because the outcome of this election has been clear to me for months: While I don't plan to vote for him, Donald Trump is going to win. And I'm OK with that," he continued.
Golden argued that his colleagues' "hand-wringing" after the debate is out of a belief that Trump is a "unique threat to our democracy," but, "I refuse to participate in a campaign to scare voters with the idea that Trump will end our democratic system."

"We should reflect on the history and strength of our great democracy, safe in the knowledge that no one man is strong enough to take it away from us," he said.

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/02/trump-2024-election-democrat-prediction

 

[SFIDC3]

people have short attention spans, which is why the Hillary email thing had to come out right before the election for it to effective.
it's still 4 months away, Trump has plenty of time up sabotage himself.
this didn't deflect the RvW problem most Republicans are having right now.. the more the Rs talk about extremism with Abortion and birth control and IVF people will not care about what happened yesterday..
especially the more and more conspiracy theories the crazy right will throw out there over this administration attempt, they will sour people with it..

I love that the White Christian Nationalist troll totally disregards/underestimates the power of the female vote.....

My “echo chamber” is reading the posts of the GOP politicians who blamed it on Dems. Don’t try to gaslight me you Trump voter. Don’t you have to run away to some sort of activity by now?

All due respect, Steve is a troll that is not worth wasting too much of your time on....

 

[SaintForLife]