General Election 2024 Biden vs Trump (10 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

As we head toward the summer and the National Party Conventions, it might be handy to have a thread focused on the upcoming matchup of current President Biden vs Former President Trump.
As of April 28,2024 , CNN's poll shows Trump leading. Yet polls are not always accurate and they are constantly changing.
Feel free to use this thread for all things relating to Biden vs Trump.
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CNN Poll: Trump maintains lead over Biden in 2024 matchup as views on their presidencies diverge

Donald Trump continues to hold an advantage over President Joe Biden as the campaign – and Trump’s criminal trial – move forward, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS. And in the coming rematch, opinions about the first term of each man vying for a second four years in the White House...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Donald Trump has glibly remarked that he would be “a dictator on day one” if elected to a second term, and experts on authoritarianism say we should take him seriously.

The supreme court’s ruling earlier this month giving presidents broad immunity from criminal prosecution heightened the risk that Trump could follow through with that plan.

“It is a democratic emergency,” said Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a historian and professor of Italian studies whose work has focused on fascism.

In her most recent book, Strongmen: Mussolini to the Present, Ben-Ghiat explores the conditions in which democracies, including vibrant and apparently healthy ones, can fall – and the “playbook” aspiring authoritarians use to take power. According to Ben-Ghiat, Trump’s habit of maligning immigrants, casting himself as a victim, and attempting to discredit the media all align with the playbook.

The Guardian spoke to Ben-Ghiat about the contemporary threat of authoritarianism in the US.

This conversation has been edited for clarity and length.

You have written and spoken extensively about the “authoritarian playbook”. What does that look like?

At its most basic, authoritarianism is when the executive branch of government domesticates or overwhelms or politicizes the judiciary, critiques and tries to silence the press, and when the leader has a party that he’s made into his personal tool, and in general, seeks to remove or neutralize any threats to his power.

As I described them in my book, the tools of rule are one: propaganda, so that the leader can go against the press early on; two: corruption itself – buying people off and getting a compliant civil service; the use of violence, which ranges from intimidation and threats to physical harm and the elimination of critics; and machismo – it’s the leader who’s the man of the people, but he’s also the man above all other men, and he’s the savior of the nation.

Trump just got a huge gift from the supreme court last week with the ruling that presidents enjoy broad immunity from criminal prosecution, and I’m wondering what exactly we should be preparing for now that he’s been emboldened by the court.
Trump is part of the category of authoritarians who run for office, or they run to get back into office, because they have charges against them, and they must get into power so they can make their legal problems go away. Regular politicians don’t want to run for office if they have indictments or charges, but the strongman must run for office because he must make himself feel safe from prosecution.

Authoritarianism is about replacing the rule of law with rule by the lawless.

It’s about taking away the rights of many such as voting rights or reproductive rights, and giving the leader and the elites more liberties to do what they want to do without fear of regulations or prosecution. So the fact that the supreme court agreed to hear the immunity case and then gave him immunity – even if he kills political opponents – is the autocrat’s fantasy.

So I guess preparing for the most dire possible outcome is something that we should be considering at this point – like the possibility of Trump throwing political opponents in jail, or, you know, assassinating them.

The United States is an outlier nation in having someone running for office who staged a violent coup to try and keep himself in power, illegally. In other places, where these are called “self-coups,” like in Guatemala, Indonesia or Peru, the leader ended up in jail or had to go into exile in the United States.

Trump is also uniquely dangerous because he has long indulged in fantasies of violence, and he made violence his brand. This is someone who started off his campaign saying he could stand on Fifth Avenue and shoot someone and not lose any followers. And he has used his rallies for almost 10 years now to preach that violence should be seen in a positive light. He’d say in the old days, you could beat up people, and that violence is necessary, sometimes, to “save the nation”..............

‘Rule of the lawless’: what does the authoritarian playbook look like?

Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a historian and professor, on the contemporary threat of authoritarianism in the US

www.theguardian.com

 

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[SaintForLife]

 

[J-DONK]

Yeah the Trump asssination attempt distracted everyone from the slow dead march of a Biden loss.

This kind of polling is why Mark Warner wants Biden to drop out.

I can't beleive the amount of Democrats that bought into the elite vs common man BS.

Edit to add: All the pro-Biden should stay in the race should look at the polling that dropped today. Based on the polling, people are going to split their tickets to vote against Biden.

When all these senate races end up with a +3-7 victories in the same state Biden loses. I have no idea how this board will rationalize an 81 year old man staying in the race.

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[SamAndreas]

This is on live:

 

[J-DONK]

Schiff Warned of Wipeout for Democrats if Biden Remains in Race

Representative Adam B. Schiff of California told attendees at a Democratic fund-raiser that the party would lose the Senate and miss a chance to take the House if the president did not drop out.

www.nytimes.com

 

[J-DONK]

Nancy is trying to help Joe make a decision. If her wording wasn't clear enough before. The polling that came out today was beyond brutal.

Nancy Pelosi “working the phones” to push out Biden

As Trump pulls ahead in key swing state polls, Democrats are working behind the scenes to oust Biden

www.salon.com

 

[Greg]

There’s a lot of that. We aren’t even talking about Ohio or Florida this cycle. Trump is on offense. Biden is on defense.

 

[B4YOU]

Nancy is trying to help Joe make a decision. If her wording wasn't clear enough before. The polling that came out today was beyond brutal.

Nancy Pelosi “working the phones” to push out Biden

As Trump pulls ahead in key swing state polls, Democrats are working behind the scenes to oust Biden

www.salon.com

From the article:
"In a YouGov poll conducted from July 4-12, Biden trailed behind Trump in all seven swing states. In Arizona and Nevada, Trump has gained 7 and 4 points, respectively, on the President since March. In Michigan, Trump leads Biden 42-40."

How is Biden losing Michigan, Penn, and Wisc?

 

[J-DONK]

There’s a lot of that. We aren’t even talking about Ohio or Florida this cycle. Trump is on offense. Biden is on defense.

Ohio, and Florida haven't been swing states since Obama. It's why rushing the nomination for Ohio makes no sense. Biden will lose that state by at least 8 points.

 

[Greg]

Ohio, and Florida haven't been swing states since Obama. It's why rushing the nomination for Ohio makes no sense. Biden will lose that state by at least 8 points.

VP picks don’t help. They can only hurt (Palin).

 

[J-DONK]

VP picks don’t help. They can only hurt (Palin).

I'm talking about Democrats rushing the nomination for Biden because of Ohio's moved up deadline. The Biden camp is desperately trying to lock in the nomination.

I have no idea why this board hasn't turn on an old man with a ego bigger then the words he can form.

 

[Greg]

I'm talking about Democrats rushing the nomination for Biden because of Ohio's moved up deadline. The Biden camp is desperately trying to lock in the nomination.

I have no idea why this board hasn't turn on an old man with a ego bigger then the words he can form.

Oh yeah I think he’s made it clear he’s not going anywhere.

 

[SamAndreas]

From the article:
"In a YouGov poll conducted from July 4-12, Biden trailed behind Trump in all seven swing states. In Arizona and Nevada, Trump has gained 7 and 4 points, respectively, on the President since March. In Michigan, Trump leads Biden 42-40."

How is Biden losing Michigan, Penn, and Wisc?

I'm not going quiver and shake over another daily YouGov poll.

 

[not2rich]

I'm not going quiver and shake over another daily YouGov poll.

Well, you thought Biden “won” the debate, so your judgment of polling data may be questionable.

 

[SamAndreas]

I'm talking about Democrats rushing the nomination for Biden because of Ohio's moved up deadline. The Biden camp is desperately trying to lock in the nomination.

I have no idea why this board hasn't turn on an old man with a ego bigger then the words he can form.

I can't help you with that which you wonder about. I don't speak for the board.

 

[SamAndreas]

Well, you thought Biden “won” the debate, so your judgment of polling data may be questionable.

I think Biden is winning this election.