Education Sex Scandal (1 Viewer)

[Farb]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/135-teachers-charged-child-sex-crimes-this-year-alone

"At least 135 teachers and teachers’ aides have been arrested so far this year on child sex-related crimes in the U.S., ranging from child pornography to raping students.

An analysis conducted by Fox News Digital looked at local news stories week by week featuring arrests of teachers and teachers’ aides on child sex-related crimes in school districts across the country. Arrests that weren't publicized were not counted in the analysis, meaning the true number may well be higher.

The analysis found that at least 135 teachers and teachers’ aides have been arrested in 41 states between January 1 and May 13, which works out to about an arrest a day on average."

I said on this board a while ago that eventually that public education will over take the catholic church sex abuse scandal. While I not sure what will be bigger but the toll taken on kids demand we look into this. 135 educators in less than half a year. Terrible. I didn't know where to put this, so I created this thread.

 

[Farb]

you realize this is Big Government you are espousing here right?

You know what another name for oversight is? Bureaucracy.

So let me be the first to welcome you to the the left!

See to oversee teachers more, you will need more what? Supervisors! And who would these supervisors work for? The government!

Where can I sign up for your plan of expanding education budgets to the point they can absorb these teacher pay increases and all of the additional jobs in oversight; ensuring only Federally approved educational material is being provided.

Bravo!

Well, your wrong.
Did you miss all my posts leading to this that talk about privatizing the school system? So the supervisors will be working for a private company not a bureaucracy. You can understand that right?

 

[CoolBrees]

Who is paying for those companies?

 

[Farb]

Not only is Farb espousing big government oversight, but also some sort of pre-cognition, if he’s going to nab people for a crime they have yet to commit. How do you discern who is likely to be a sexual abuser beforehand? Do you monitor their private messages? Do you tap their phones? Record and review their browsing history? How do you expect anyone to sign up to be a teacher if they have zero privacy? Our privacy is eroded enough without adding another source of Big Brother looking at everything we say, do or read.

All of the above on school owned property.
Generally, if a teacher is non-binary or whatever made up victim class they conjure up and has to explain that to a group of kids for affirmation, or explain to kindergartners his or her pronouns, then being a teacher is not their ideal profession and should seek employment in another field.
I am also sure there will be LTGB schools set up in Ca and other left strongholds, they can go work there if the public/parents want that being taught. See local solutions.

Who said to nab them early. Just getting them out of the school system is enough of a win for society.

 

[CoolBrees]

All of the above on school owned property.
Generally, if a teacher is non-binary or whatever made up victim class they conjure up and has to explain that to a group of kids for affirmation, or explain to kindergartners his or her pronouns, then being a teacher is not their ideal profession and should seek employment in another field.
I am also sure there will be LTGB schools set up in Ca and other left strongholds, they can go work there if the public/parents want that being taught. See local solutions.

Who said to nab them early. Just getting them out of the school system is enough of a win for society.

Do you have kids?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Do you think we can accomplish that nation wide for 40 Billion? I think so. So, no, extra salaries and extra work won't cause the system to fail.

So you agree with more oversight, there are more chances to catch the teachers that cross the line. See, we agree on that, so more oversight will lead to hopefully removing pedos and groomers from the teaching ranks, as you just admitted.

I am not only worried about felonies. I am want them fired before a felony can be committed. I don't have all the answers or details, people much smarter than you and I will have to figure this out, but I think we are right the path with more salary and more oversight as a good beginning to removing the government from education.

No chance in hell. That's essentially the NYC school budget alone.

I am all for finding ways to weed out sexual abusers from the ranks of education. Can you explain how eliminating tenure and implementing parental review surveys will do this, since tenure does not protect sexual abusers and surveys will provide zero information on sexual abusers?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

@Farb One place you and I agree is raising teacher salaries. What do you think would be a good baseline salary?

 

[wardorican]

Man, what the hell did the public school system do to you or your kids?

Any and all child abuse, especially sexual abuse is horrid and evil. it's not all equally evil, but that's an overly nuanced point.

But, let's put it in context. Various studies show that 1 out of 5 girls are sexually abused, and 1 out of 20 boys are.

There are some different stats based on lifetime abuse, but let's stick with the ones I just mentioned.

There are 167 million women in the US. And about 162 million men. That would project as 33.4 MILLION women having likely been abused at some point in their life, and 8.1 MILLION men being sexually abused at some point in their lives. Combined, that's like 12.6% of the population.

3 out of 4 of those victims were victimized by someone they knew. Since, you only mentioned about 135 teachers in 6 months being arrested, I'd have to imagine that the vast majority of the victimizers are not teachers. Being that we have about 50.7 million students in the US in public education, the regular statistics would assume about 6.4 Million of them will be abused in their school life, so 4-18? 14 years, that's 457,000 kids a year would be sexually abused in schools, so a ton of teachers should be arresetd.

maybe, 135 in 6 months (270 per year) is bad, evil maybe, but way safer than what those same kids deal with at church, at home, or in the general community.

 

[MT15]

Thanks for putting it into perspective. Trying to say that public schools have a bigger problem than any other part of society is just plain wrong.

 

[Farb]

Do you have kids?

I do.

 

[Farb]

No chance in hell. That's essentially the NYC school budget alone.

I am all for finding ways to weed out sexual abusers from the ranks of education. Can you explain how eliminating tenure and implementing parental review surveys will do this, since tenure does not protect sexual abusers and surveys will provide zero information on sexual abusers?

Yes I can. I have several times.

 

[Farb]

@Farb One place you and I agree is raising teacher salaries. What do you think would be a good baseline salary?

No idea. I think it would range from area to area. What about you? What would be a good baseline salary?

 

[Farb]

Man, what the hell did the public school system do to you or your kids?

Any and all child abuse, especially sexual abuse is horrid and evil. it's not all equally evil, but that's an overly nuanced point.

But, let's put it in context. Various studies show that 1 out of 5 girls are sexually abused, and 1 out of 20 boys are.

There are some different stats based on lifetime abuse, but let's stick with the ones I just mentioned.

There are 167 million women in the US. And about 162 million men. That would project as 33.4 MILLION women having likely been abused at some point in their life, and 8.1 MILLION men being sexually abused at some point in their lives. Combined, that's like 12.6% of the population.

3 out of 4 of those victims were victimized by someone they knew. Since, you only mentioned about 135 teachers in 6 months being arrested, I'd have to imagine that the vast majority of the victimizers are not teachers. Being that we have about 50.7 million students in the US in public education, the regular statistics would assume about 6.4 Million of them will be abused in their school life, so 4-18? 14 years, that's 457,000 kids a year would be sexually abused in schools, so a ton of teachers should be arresetd.

maybe, 135 in 6 months (270 per year) is bad, evil maybe, but way safer than what those same kids deal with at church, at home, or in the general community.

So nothing to worry about or try and correct? Got it.

 

[Farb]

Thanks for putting it into perspective. Trying to say that public schools have a bigger problem than any other part of society is just plain wrong.

I agree, but this aspect of our society is created to strictly deal with our children.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Yes I can. I have several times.

Can you link me to those posts, because I've never seen them.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

No idea. I think it would range from area to area. What about you? What would be a good baseline salary?

I haven't given it much though, this was *your* suggestion. As of 2020, the average public school teacher's salary was $63,645, with the highest average in New York ($87,543) and the lowest average in Mississippi ($45,192). You have said that raising teacher salaries will weed out predators and abusers from the ranks of educators. How much of a percentage bump would be enough to do that?

 

[Farb]

Can you link me to those posts, because I've never seen them.

Sure, look back after every time you ask the same question but expect a different answer.

 

[Farb]

I haven't given it much though, this was *your* suggestion. As of 2020, the average public school teacher's salary was $63,645, with the highest average in New York ($87,543) and the lowest average in Mississippi ($45,192). You have said that raising teacher salaries will weed out predators and abusers from the ranks of educators. How much of a percentage bump would be enough to do that?

I haven't given it much either on the numbers.
What do you think? What do you think would be a fair salary for the added scrutiny of having classrooms record with audio and archived?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Sure, look back after every time you ask the same question but expect a different answer.

I did. I just read every response you made in this thread. I saw no answer. Please link the post in which you give the answer so I can read it again. To reiterate: Can you explain how eliminating tenure and implementing parental review surveys will eliminate sexual predators from the ranks of educators since tenure does not protect sexual abusers and surveys will provide zero information on sexual abusers?