Education Sex Scandal (1 Viewer)

[Farb]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/135-teachers-charged-child-sex-crimes-this-year-alone

"At least 135 teachers and teachers’ aides have been arrested so far this year on child sex-related crimes in the U.S., ranging from child pornography to raping students.

An analysis conducted by Fox News Digital looked at local news stories week by week featuring arrests of teachers and teachers’ aides on child sex-related crimes in school districts across the country. Arrests that weren't publicized were not counted in the analysis, meaning the true number may well be higher.

The analysis found that at least 135 teachers and teachers’ aides have been arrested in 41 states between January 1 and May 13, which works out to about an arrest a day on average."

I said on this board a while ago that eventually that public education will over take the catholic church sex abuse scandal. While I not sure what will be bigger but the toll taken on kids demand we look into this. 135 educators in less than half a year. Terrible. I didn't know where to put this, so I created this thread.

 

[Farb]

Where's the clown reaction emoji when you need it?

or, you could participate and present some of you ideas, unless you believe there is no problem and everything is fine?
But yea, I have noticed you guys love the emojis.

 

[Farb]

Don’t pay me any mind. I was sort of down last night. My parents and two siblings are/were educators and I know how much time and effort they put into public education. I get defensive when people trash it. Especially when it gets trashed for no good reason.

I have the utmost respect for teachers, good teachers that is. That is why I want to increase their pay a lot because they should be under the most scrutiny of all of our government employees and institutions.
They have a incredibly difficult job but we should not want to add councilor to their plate. Just let them teach about what they are paid to teach.

 

[Farb]

I am not saying this at all. What I am saying is that your solutions do nothing to address the problem you originally brought up: predators among public school employees. How does removing tenure, raising pay, or giving parents surveys identify and remove teachers that have committed acts of sexual violence against students or prevent such people from being hired in the future?



I am on board with this idea, provided it can be implemented without jeopardizing the safety of the students and faculty. Not just streaming, but archived as well. I would have it tied to user IDs assigned to the parent or guardian enrolling the child to prevent any random person from accessing it.



If taxes don't increase, where does the money come from to administer schools, raise teacher salaries, and still turn a profit for the private business in charge?



I think a single incidence is a problem, but I don't believe it is a rampant issue worthy of ending the public education system.

Then that is the bridge we can't cross together then. I believe there is a problem you believe there is not.

I have learned over the last 3 years, we have enough money to send to every crappy country in the world for stupid programs and border security, why not use that here instead? You could harden every single school, pay teachers a lot more due to the amount of scrutiny they will now be under (I think that will drive the pedo away from that type of job). It think my solutions would aid in the problem. Would it solve the problem, probably not completely unfortunately but it is a start. At least in my alt right mind.

Instead of paying education taxes, why not give the parents the ability to choose the schools and send their money there? Yes, those that can't afford it will be subsidized but the kids have to maintain a basic level or success. This will also make the parents more involved because if they are not their kid falls behind because of home life, that kids is removed from school and sent to another type of school. I have not thought that part out but I plan to drink today, so I will figure it out and report back with my thoughts. This is me just throwing up ideas as I type.

I would not trust the government to run an efficient snack shed at a little league baseball park, much less the education of the our children.,

 

[V Chip]

Instead of paying education taxes, why not give the parents the ability to choose the schools and send their money there?

Logically then, why not do that for every government service? Have no taxes at all and let people choose what to do with their money? Why can't I take the taxes used for, say, police services and be able to hire my own security detail? Of course the price for everything will go up an incredible amount -- all roads would be pay-for-use, every good or service that goes on the roads would go up in price to pay for the company that owns the roads used, taxes that are used for things that people don't get an immediate benefit for wouldn't be paid so those prices would go up an incredible amount (childless people paying school taxes, people who don't have their house catch on fire paying fire taxes, people who don't send our military around the world wouldn't pay taxes for defense, people who don't go to court wouldn't pay taxes to support the court system, etc.).

It's a ridiculous notion that would incredibly favor those at the top of the income/wealth pyramid.

 

[Farb]

Logically then, why not do that for every government service? Have no taxes at all and let people choose what to do with their money? Why can't I take the taxes used for, say, police services and be able to hire my own security detail? Of course the price for everything will go up an incredible amount -- all roads would be pay-for-use, every good or service that goes on the roads would go up in price to pay for the company that owns the roads used, taxes that are used for things that people don't get an immediate benefit for wouldn't be paid so those prices would go up an incredible amount (childless people paying school taxes, people who don't have their house catch on fire paying fire taxes, people who don't send our military around the world wouldn't pay taxes for defense, people who don't go to court wouldn't pay taxes to support the court system, etc.).

It's a ridiculous notion that would incredibly favor those at the top of the income/wealth pyramid.

In theory, I love your idea. In practice and reality that is already kind of what we do as communities. We pay taxes or pool our money to pay for security detail and fire detail. We do this with the hope that those that collect our pooled money will get the most bang for the buck. We both know that does not happen. The government is more concerned about protecting and increasing it's power. I think removing the education from the government bureaucracy would be a huge plus for our society.
Is it any more ridiculous that those that don't pay any taxes reap the benefit of those that do feed the machine?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Then that is the bridge we can't cross together then. I believe there is a problem you believe there is not.

I think a single incidence is a problem, but I don't believe it is a rampant issue worthy of ending the public education system.

Perhaps you could actually read my forking posts before you reply next time. Of course, I doubt it would matter, given that you have regularly demonstrated that you don't have a single forking clue about any of the topics you complain about- racism, LGBTQ+ issues, the government, education, foreign policy, domestic policy, education, or taxes.

 

[MT15]

I have the utmost respect for teachers, good teachers that is. That is why I want to increase their pay a lot because they should be under the most scrutiny of all of our government employees and institutions.
They have a incredibly difficult job but we should not want to add councilor to their plate. Just let them teach about what they are paid to teach.

If you add “the utmost scrutiny” from radical parents plus a bunch of other busy work to the already overworked and underpaid teachers, I think most of them will leave the field. And counseling kids comes with the territory. Both my dad and my brother have taken students into their own homes when their home life fell apart. They finished school as members of the family. Teachers are the ones closest to the students - they will be confided in. I don’t know that your ideas are practical at all.

 

[V Chip]

Is it any more ridiculous that those that don't pay any taxes reap the benefit of those that do feed the machine?

No, that's how our society prospers. You'd kill the American Dream if the only people who ever got something from our society were the ones who can afford to pay for those benefits.

 

[bdb13]

No, that's how our society prospers. You'd kill the American Dream if the only people who ever got something from our society were the ones who can afford to pay for those benefits.

Yeah I was curious as to how we'd educate poor children if their parent(s) can not afford private school and public schools cease to exist.

Added into that, there are going to be many, many more poor children to educate in the coming years assuming Roe v Wade is overturned.

 

[coldseat]

It is an idea. The government schools are not working, especially for the 'low to middle' class. Why not have the new schools make money, provide far better pay for teachers and with that comes with much much more oversight and no tenure. Parents as a customer can shop around and pick the best schools regardless of where they live? Instead of taxes going to the government for a negative return, go to a private entity (how that is established, I am not smart enough to propose) that is at the whims of it's customers, the parents and students instead of the teachers and teachers union.
Yes, we know. Religion is bad.

Private schools would not preform any better with low to middle income class students than public schools. Most of the difference in performance between public and private school students can be accounted for in the socio-economic makeup and education of the kids parents.

 

[coldseat]

In theory, I love your idea. In practice and reality that is already kind of what we do as communities. We pay taxes or pool our money to pay for security detail and fire detail. We do this with the hope that those that collect our pooled money will get the most bang for the buck. We both know that does not happen. The government is more concerned about protecting and increasing it's power. I think removing the education from the government bureaucracy would be a huge plus for our society.
Is it any more ridiculous that those that don't pay any taxes reap the benefit of those that do feed the machine?

So this is more about poor people getting free public education? Also, don't look now, but you just acknowledged that public education is a benefit, meaning it has some positive effect.

 

[Farb]

Perhaps you could actually read my forking posts before you reply next time. Of course, I doubt it would matter, given that you have regularly demonstrated that you don't have a single forking clue about any of the topics you complain about- racism, LGBTQ+ issues, the government, education, foreign policy, domestic policy, education, or taxes.

None at all. I fly blind on just about all topics. Especially education, since you listed it twice.

 

[Farb]

If you add “the utmost scrutiny” from radical parents plus a bunch of other busy work to the already overworked and underpaid teachers, I think most of them will leave the field. And counseling kids comes with the territory. Both my dad and my brother have taken students into their own homes when their home life fell apart. They finished school as members of the family. Teachers are the ones closest to the students - they will be confided in. I don’t know that your ideas are practical at all.

Yeah, I think I would rather a teacher teach what we paid them for. You also missed or deliberately left out my position on pay. They would not be underpaid. That is also the goal, to jettison the activists and to reward the actual teachers. We do have councilors in schools right? Also, school is not a day care. If we pay for the education as tax payers, the kids and parents have to earn the right be there.
Trade and vocation schools should be pushed more than college.
You Dad and brothers sound like great people and are the type of teachers we should hold up as an example.

 

[Farb]

No, that's how our society prospers. You'd kill the American Dream if the only people who ever got something from our society were the ones who can afford to pay for those benefits.

Pay or earn it. Doesn't matter to me.

 

[Farb]

Yeah I was curious as to how we'd educate poor children if their parent(s) can not afford private school and public schools cease to exist.

Added into that, there are going to be many, many more poor children to educate in the coming years assuming Roe v Wade is overturned.

Very much like we do now except the 'no child left behind' has got to end. Some children don't need to college prep classes. A lot should be ushered into vocation and trade schools.

 

[Farb]

So this is more about poor people getting free public education? Also, don't look now, but you just acknowledged that public education is a benefit, meaning it has some positive effect.

Maybe to you, since that is the what you picked to focus on. There will have to be subsidies for the poor, that is a given.

 

[bdb13]

Very much like we do now except the 'no child left behind' has got to end. Some children don't need to college prep classes. A lot should be ushered into vocation and trade schools.

But how does that work for elementary and middle school aged kids if public schools are not available?

 

[bdb13]

Maybe to you, since that is the what you picked to focus on. There will have to be subsidies for the poor, that is a given.

Ah