Education Sex Scandal (1 Viewer)

[Farb]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/135-teachers-charged-child-sex-crimes-this-year-alone

"At least 135 teachers and teachers’ aides have been arrested so far this year on child sex-related crimes in the U.S., ranging from child pornography to raping students.

An analysis conducted by Fox News Digital looked at local news stories week by week featuring arrests of teachers and teachers’ aides on child sex-related crimes in school districts across the country. Arrests that weren't publicized were not counted in the analysis, meaning the true number may well be higher.

The analysis found that at least 135 teachers and teachers’ aides have been arrested in 41 states between January 1 and May 13, which works out to about an arrest a day on average."

I said on this board a while ago that eventually that public education will over take the catholic church sex abuse scandal. While I not sure what will be bigger but the toll taken on kids demand we look into this. 135 educators in less than half a year. Terrible. I didn't know where to put this, so I created this thread.

 

[bdb13]

It is a theory, what kind of evidence do you expect? I have not seen evidence that says there is not a sub-culture in the education system that draws pedos. Why is it possible to have that sub-culture in a church but not a government institution?
The only evidence, besides that the military and church also has a sexual abuse problem, is the numbers of overall teachers to those caught. Is that the evidence that swings your opinion?
Just curious, because you seem to dismiss my theory because of lack of evidence but the counter point has no evidence either. Are you biased because it is a government institution?

I need to see evidence of things in order to believe in them, no matter what it is. You can call me on that if you think I'm inconsistent but I'm pretty confident that I'm as consistent as anyone on that point. For me personally don't really think it's more complicated than that.

You're not looking at this correctly if you're going to say "but you don't have any evidence that it's not happening." That's a pretty obvious tell that you're buying into a conspiracy theory.

 

[Farb]

@Farb and my point - though I'm sure that was quite lost and that's on me - with my earlier hyperbolic posts was essentially that this is the kind of conjured from thin air stuff that people will roll with that can lead to hate to the point that someone decides to take out teachers because there are molesters because that's the narrative now (because that is sort of the narrative of this thread isn't it?).. or decide they need to bust into, what was it a pizzeria in DC? to save the children locked up in the basement there by Hillary.

You can have grievances but it doesn't mean it has to bleed into everything else.

So, I can't discuss something that is effecting our kids because there are stupid people in the world? I never understood that. Seems very cowardly to be honest.

Did we see an uptick in priests and preachers being killed after the church scandal? I wonder why no one was worried about that like they are now? Maybe because of the votes?

 

[bdb13]

So, I can't discuss something that is effecting our kids because there are stupid people in the world? I never understood that. Seems very cowardly to be honest.

Did we see an uptick in priests and preachers being killed after the church scandal? I wonder why no one was worried about that like they are now? Maybe because of the votes?

You can discuss whatever you want and yeah I can see I was wayward with that posting that at all this morning. Dumb posts on my part.

 

[Farb]

I need to see evidence of things in order to believe in them, no matter what it is. You can call me on that if you think I'm inconsistent but I'm pretty confident that I'm as consistent as anyone on that point. For me personally don't really think it's more complicated than that.

You're not looking at this correctly if you're going to say "but you don't have any evidence that it's not happening." That's a pretty obvious tell that you're buying into a conspiracy theory.

I get it and no, you have been consistent on that in the past. No argument from me at all on that. To me, though, 1 arrest per day since the firs to the year shows enough smoke to see if there is a fire. If you don't think the same, then cool.

Well, I bought into a lot of conspiracy theories in the past like the covid was created in a Chinese lab, Laptop, Steele Dossier so, nothing new on my end.

 

[Farb]

You can discuss whatever you want and yeah I can see I was wayward with that posting that at all this morning. Dumb posts on my part.

Naw man, you were jsut being hyperbolic. Nothing new on a message board so no harm no foul. It is all good. Besides, if I never posted hyperbolic stuff, I would never post

 

[bdb13]

I get it and no, you have been consistent on that in the past. No argument from me at all on that. To me, though, 1 arrest per day since the firs to the year shows enough smoke to see if there is a fire. If you don't think the same, then cool.

Well, I bought into a lot of conspiracy theories in the past like the covid was created in a Chinese lab, Laptop, Steele Dossier so, nothing new on my end.

And I've literally had issues with the way things were handled or were done to varying degrees in each of the examples you mentioned there.. I would just say that all things aren't the same and as objective as I try to be about things I don't think your one a day statistic is anywhere near the same level of evidence as 'coronavirus lab facility' in Wuhan.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

You don't think parent evaluation will help prevent and remove predators from the government school ranks? You don't think tenure allows terrible teachers to remain via cronyism and incomitance?
Explain your idea of infrastructure. Actual schools buildings or are you talking about roads and power?
There are several old school building just in my neighborhood that has been remodeled and updated into apartments and condos? Why not update and remodel them into private schools? What will the state do with the current school buildings, buses, cafeterias, office/Admin buildings? Why would they not just sell them to the private firm, or donate them since it was our money that funded them?

Again, terrible teachers are not the same thing as criminals. No teacher that rapes or assaults a student is keeping their job, regardless of tenure. How do you propose dealing with criminal predators in the ranks of school personnel?

As for infrastructure, I mean everything- buildings, equipment, land, personnel, and the money to provide these things and provide for their upkeep. Private schools and religious schools charge tuition to provide for these things. How do you propose we privatize K-12 education while keeping it completely free to the students?

 

[Lapaz]

I have. I am all for it. I am 100% of doing away with the government schools. Unfortunately, if you want to keep your kids out of public schools you get a bad wrap.

That’s your agenda for posting this? You want to get rid of public schools which serve millions of low to middle income people so that more private schools can make money? You think private schools don’t have child abuse? It won’t reduce the abuse. It’ll move it to another school. There are probably thousands of Catholic schools, and I bet much of the abuse occurs in those schools.

 

[MT15]

Geez, don't ever let a tragedy go to waste. Do you think I should even bother responding to that?

Oh spare me your fake moral posturing.

You made this thread, about a non-existent scandal in public schools, on the very day the Southern Baptist scandal broke. You are purposefully ignoring a really huge and terrible church scandal to baselessly speculate that the same sort of depraved cover-up is happening in public schools.

Public schools are not all connected like religious orders - each school system is locally administered. They don’t have the ability nor the money incentive to cover up discovered sexual abuse of students. They cannot transfer teachers to another school district and cover it up from the top because there is no national organization. The idea that there is some sort of national coordinated cover-up just isn’t rational.

You say this is probably happening in public education with exactly zero proof, and when it is pointed out that there isn’t any proof of the same sort of cover-up, you say “you can’t prove it isn’t happening” which is just a terrible logical fallacy and truly the mark of an unbalanced conspiracy theorist.

Oh, and BTW - none of your supposed conspiracy theories that you think turned out to be true were actually proven. Not the conspiracy theory part, despite the fact there were some issues. Maybe in the fever dreams of the folks who live this crazy stuff, but not to anyone that is reality-based.

I hope you re-gain your bearings Farb. You weren’t always like this. I used to rather enjoy talking with you on here.

 

[Farb]

Again, terrible teachers are not the same thing as criminals. No teacher that rapes or assaults a student is keeping their job, regardless of tenure. How do you propose dealing with criminal predators in the ranks of school personnel?

As for infrastructure, I mean everything- buildings, equipment, land, personnel, and the money to provide these things and provide for their upkeep. Private schools and religious schools charge tuition to provide for these things. How do you propose we privatize K-12 education while keeping it completely free to the students?

Increase pay for teacher, substantially. Since it will be very easy to be fired if you become a teacher. This will increase the actual the quality of teachers and that by default should help weed out the groomers.
Another good start is if a teacher requires a silly pronoun, they should not be a teacher.
You can keep asking the same question over and over if you just dismiss any of the proposals to correct. I guess in your mind there is nothing we can do, so why bother. Lets just just spend more money.

This is a silly and short sighted argument. The answer is taxes. We already pay them why not just continue but instead of the money going to a government bureaucracy, give it to a private company that are responsible to their customers, students and parents. The current government bureaucracy can't even keep the schools physically safe and are failing miserably as far as education.

 

[Farb]

That’s your agenda for posting this? You want to get rid of public schools which serve millions of low to middle income people so that more private schools can make money? You think private schools don’t have child abuse? It won’t reduce the abuse. It’ll move it to another school. There are probably thousands of Catholic schools, and I bet much of the abuse occurs in those schools.

It is an idea. The government schools are not working, especially for the 'low to middle' class. Why not have the new schools make money, provide far better pay for teachers and with that comes with much much more oversight and no tenure. Parents as a customer can shop around and pick the best schools regardless of where they live? Instead of taxes going to the government for a negative return, go to a private entity (how that is established, I am not smart enough to propose) that is at the whims of it's customers, the parents and students instead of the teachers and teachers union.
Yes, we know. Religion is bad.

 

[Farb]

Oh spare me your fake moral posturing.

You made this thread, about a non-existent scandal in public schools, on the very day the Southern Baptist scandal broke. You are purposefully ignoring a really huge and terrible church scandal to baselessly speculate that the same sort of depraved cover-up is happening in public schools.

Public schools are not all connected like religious orders - each school system is locally administered. They don’t have the ability nor the money incentive to cover up discovered sexual abuse of students. They cannot transfer teachers to another school district and cover it up from the top because there is no national organization. The idea that there is some sort of national coordinated cover-up just isn’t rational.

You say this is probably happening in public education with exactly zero proof, and when it is pointed out that there isn’t any proof of the same sort of cover-up, you say “you can’t prove it isn’t happening” which is just a terrible logical fallacy and truly the mark of an unbalanced conspiracy theorist.

Oh, and BTW - none of your supposed conspiracy theories that you think turned out to be true were actually proven. Not the conspiracy theory part, despite the fact there were some issues. Maybe in the fever dreams of the folks who live this crazy stuff, but not to anyone that is reality-based.

I hope you re-gain your bearings Farb. You weren’t always like this. I used to rather enjoy talking with you on here.

I am sorry. I didn't know we can only focus on religion being bad on this board.

Did I not make my positions very clear on how I feel about any person, regardless of what side they play for, hurting children? Do you really think I don't care about the protestants diddling kids but only teachers? Actually, you probably do.

Yes, they have, but I admire your bulldog ability to stick your head in the sand.

That is upsetting, because I still enjoy talking with you MT.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Increase pay for teacher, substantially. Since it will be very easy to be fired if you become a teacher. This will increase the actual the quality of teachers and that by default should help weed out the groomers.
Another good start is if a teacher requires a silly pronoun, they should not be a teacher.
You can keep asking the same question over and over if you just dismiss any of the proposals to correct. I guess in your mind there is nothing we can do, so why bother. Lets just just spend more money.

Again, you are talking about the quality of teachers. The most qualified, engaging, and successful teacher in the world could still commit an atrocious act. None of what you have suggested addresses the problem you created this topic to discuss: predators among public school employees. Tenure doesn't protect them, higher pay isn't going to weed them out, and feedback forms are ridiculous.

This is a silly and short sighted argument.

It really is. I wish you would stop making it.

The answer is taxes. We already pay them why not just continue but instead of the money going to a government bureaucracy, give it to a private company that are responsible to their customers, students and parents. The current government bureaucracy can't even keep the schools physically safe and are failing miserably as far as education.

You understand that private companies exist to turn a profit, right? And that public schools are not designed to turn a profit? And that to incentivize a private company to take over a school system paid for by the local government means a massive increase in taxes in exchange for less oversight and less consistency in outcomes?

 

[Farb]

Again, you are talking about the quality of teachers. The most qualified, engaging, and successful teacher in the world could still commit an atrocious act. None of what you have suggested addresses the problem you created this topic to discuss: predators among public school employees. Tenure doesn't protect them, higher pay isn't going to weed them out, and feedback forms are ridiculous.



It really is. I wish you would stop making it.



You understand that private companies exist to turn a profit, right? And that public schools are not designed to turn a profit? And that to incentivize a private company to take over a school system paid for by the local government means a massive increase in taxes in exchange for less oversight and less consistency in outcomes?

So then since humans are bad by nature, nothing to be done? Are you saying there is no problem and if there is, how would you address it?
You cant, because you think the system is working correctly, which is the main problem with schools.

Oh, and cameras with audio in each class that parents can stream, especially younger grades.

Yeah, you are wrong. How would taxes increase? You actually think the government would be better with money and bottom lines then a bureaucracy? Of course you do, because big government is your answer to everything and it works out well, I must say.

So, is there a problem? If so, what are your suggestions?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

So then since humans are bad by nature, nothing to be done? Are you saying there is no problem and if there is, how would you address it?
You cant, because you think the system is working correctly, which is the main problem with schools.

I am not saying this at all. What I am saying is that your solutions do nothing to address the problem you originally brought up: predators among public school employees. How does removing tenure, raising pay, or giving parents surveys identify and remove teachers that have committed acts of sexual violence against students or prevent such people from being hired in the future?

Oh, and cameras with audio in each class that parents can stream, especially younger grades.

I am on board with this idea, provided it can be implemented without jeopardizing the safety of the students and faculty. Not just streaming, but archived as well. I would have it tied to user IDs assigned to the parent or guardian enrolling the child to prevent any random person from accessing it.

Yeah, you are wrong. How would taxes increase? You actually think the government would be better with money and bottom lines then a bureaucracy? Of course you do, because big government is your answer to everything and it works out well, I must say.

If taxes don't increase, where does the money come from to administer schools, raise teacher salaries, and still turn a profit for the private business in charge?

So, is there a problem? If so, what are your suggestions?

I think a single incidence is a problem, but I don't believe it is a rampant issue worthy of ending the public education system.

 

[MT15]

I am sorry. I didn't know we can only focus on religion being bad on this board.

Did I not make my positions very clear on how I feel about any person, regardless of what side they play for, hurting children? Do you really think I don't care about the protestants diddling kids but only teachers? Actually, you probably do.

Yes, they have, but I admire your bulldog ability to stick your head in the sand.

That is upsetting, because I still enjoy talking with you MT.

Don’t pay me any mind. I was sort of down last night. My parents and two siblings are/were educators and I know how much time and effort they put into public education. I get defensive when people trash it. Especially when it gets trashed for no good reason.

 

[Lapaz]

It is an idea. The government schools are not working, especially for the 'low to middle' class. Why not have the new schools make money, provide far better pay for teachers and with that comes with much much more oversight and no tenure. Parents as a customer can shop around and pick the best schools regardless of where they live? Instead of taxes going to the government for a negative return, go to a private entity (how that is established, I am not smart enough to propose) that is at the whims of it's customers, the parents and students instead of the teachers and teachers union.
Yes, we know. Religion is bad.

Some public schools may be failing, but private schools are far more expensive and they have a in built advantage because they don’t have to accept all students. I don’t have a problem with giving kids more choices, but I don’t want to privatize education, unless you require private schools to accept everyone. They’ll have to run special education programs, transportation, accepted curricula, including no religion, and provide a decent wage and benefits to teachers and administrators. Essentially they would have to accept being regulated. Most people that want to privatize have the agenda to promote religious schools. Religion needs to stay out of government.

Public school reforms are always welcomed, but I believe they are a positive benefit to society. I don’t think they are failing across the board. There are problem areas that need work. If we privatized all schools, and they had to accept rules and regulations, they would also have failures. It ain’t a panacea.

 

[V Chip]

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