Education Sex Scandal (1 Viewer)

[Farb]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/135-teachers-charged-child-sex-crimes-this-year-alone

"At least 135 teachers and teachers’ aides have been arrested so far this year on child sex-related crimes in the U.S., ranging from child pornography to raping students.

An analysis conducted by Fox News Digital looked at local news stories week by week featuring arrests of teachers and teachers’ aides on child sex-related crimes in school districts across the country. Arrests that weren't publicized were not counted in the analysis, meaning the true number may well be higher.

The analysis found that at least 135 teachers and teachers’ aides have been arrested in 41 states between January 1 and May 13, which works out to about an arrest a day on average."

I said on this board a while ago that eventually that public education will over take the catholic church sex abuse scandal. While I not sure what will be bigger but the toll taken on kids demand we look into this. 135 educators in less than half a year. Terrible. I didn't know where to put this, so I created this thread.

 

[Farb]

The teachers who died probably got what they deserved as they were employees at a public school system and from that we can infer that they were likely pedophiles and child abusers anyway.

If he was moral he would have done us all a favor and left the kids alone and just taken out teachers, assistant principles, groundskeepers, etc.

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Hyperbole much? Why so emotional today, usually you are pretty level headed and normal. Not so much today.

 

[Farb]

https://www.fox5vegas.com/video/202...r-arrested-allegedly-having-sex-with-student/

And another one. But nothing to see here.

 

[bdb13]

Hyperbole much? Why so emotional today, usually you are pretty level headed and normal. Not so much today.

Yes, hyperbole.. but I figured that with your expressed disdain for public schools and for all the groomers who work at them you probably lacked much in the way of empathy or compassion for the dead teachers (suspected groomers) here whom I assumed you believed were themselves possibly/probably privy to the pedophile/sexual abusing public school system ring you've talked about needing to be investigated.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Sheriff: 66-year-old pastor arrested on child sexual abuse charges involving minor under 15

Authorities in North Carolina have arrested a pastor on several sex crime charges stemming from a joint investigation.

www.wbng.com

And another one. But nothing to see here.

 

[bdb13]

And another one. But nothing to see here.

Yes, we could do one of these for pastors everyday for the next year.. could probably about do one daily for auto mechanics, butchers, and construction workers too.

But what would be the point and what more would that really even indicate other than to simply be a compilation of individual pedophiles and child abusers within a given profession?

What made the Catholic Church cases different and unique as far as I'm aware of was the deplorable actions by higher ups in covering up and all that.. which in turn perpetuated the issue.

Short of any evidence of conspiracy this is just a politically manipulated and fear mongered throwing of shirt at the wall to say "see, same EXACT thing's going on with this and you liberal atheists don't even care huh."

Except it's not the same or even really a story at all if you don't have the evidence to show that it is anything at all.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I think I have seen this from you in the past, your views are irrelevant and you don't have to respond to questions, but I have to respond to all questions or I am a troll. Yeah, not playing that game.

The game of "answer a question, ask a question", otherwise known as "have a conversation". Here's my answer: There are approximately 50 million kids in public school as of the school year that is coming to a close. The infrastructure needed to support them is massive. Attempting to transfer all of that to the private sector where there is no guarantee that the kids will continue to receive a quality, free education is not feasible.

Your turn: how do we do a better job of weeding out predators from the ranks of teachers/coaches/admin/etc? Not just from the current ranks, but for incoming employees as well?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

What made the Catholic Church cases different and unique as far as I'm aware of was the deplorable actions by higher ups in covering up and all that.. which in turn perpetuated the issue.

Unfortunately, the Catholic Church isn't unique in that regard. The Southern Baptist Convention did the same thing. Other than that I agree with your post and in fact that was my point. It happens in all walks of life and sadly very often within families.

 

[bdb13]

Unfortunately, the Catholic Church isn't unique in that regard. The Southern Baptist Convention did the same thing. Other than that I agree with your post and in fact that was my point. It happens in all walks of life and sadly very often within families.

Yeah I didn't mean to say it was unique only to the Catholic Church, just that that factor was what made it a story and a scandal.

 

[Farb]

Yes, hyperbole.. but I figured that with your expressed disdain for public schools and for all the groomers who work at them you probably lacked much in the way of empathy or compassion for the dead teachers (suspected groomers) here whom I assumed you believed were themselves possibly/probably privy to the pedophile/sexual abusing public school system ring you've talked about needing to be investigated.

The call for investigation doesn't equate total disdain for all involved. There are great teachers, I know a lot of them. There are also horrible teachers that should not have ever been allowed in a classroom. They themselves are too mentally unstable. If you need affirmation about your feelings from 6 year olds, you don't need to be around 6 year olds.

 

[Farb]

And another one. But nothing to see here.

Nope, definitely something to see and investigated. Death sentence should be a given if proven guilty.

 

[Farb]

Yes, we could do one of these for pastors everyday for the next year.. could probably about do one daily for auto mechanics, butchers, and construction workers too.

But what would be the point and what more would that really even indicate other than to simply be a compilation of individual pedophiles and child abusers within a given profession?

What made the Catholic Church cases different and unique as far as I'm aware of was the deplorable actions by higher ups in covering up and all that.. which in turn perpetuated the issue.

Short of any evidence of conspiracy this is just a politically manipulated and fear mongered throwing of shirt at the wall to say "see, same EXACT thing's going on with this and you liberal atheists don't even care huh."

Except it's not the same or even really a story at all if you don't have the evidence to show that it is anything at all.

Does the state compel you to send your kids to church? They do, but the church of radical left gender and racial ideology but they call it a public schools. Do you have to pay taxes to support any church? No. Do you have to pay taxes for the government school system? yep.

Is the answer to not send your kids to church? If so then the answer should be to not send your kids to public school, but the government needs the money for more drag shows and LBTGQ pride marches.

 

[Farb]

The game of "answer a question, ask a question", otherwise known as "have a conversation". Here's my answer: There are approximately 50 million kids in public school as of the school year that is coming to a close. The infrastructure needed to support them is massive. Attempting to transfer all of that to the private sector where there is no guarantee that the kids will continue to receive a quality, free education is not feasible.

Your turn: how do we do a better job of weeding out predators from the ranks of teachers/coaches/admin/etc? Not just from the current ranks, but for incoming employees as well?

Remove tenure so bad teachers can be fired. Have parents also give teacher evaluations if desired. I bet the attitudes change pretty quick if the parents determine continued employment. Reevaluate school board pay scale. A superintendent making 6 figures in a rural county is just dumb.

I suspect we will see several changes as parents become more aware of the tragedy of failure that is the government school system.

Also, why would it be impossible to have a private sector approach to schools? The bureaucracy created by the bureaucracy for self preservation is not actually needed and by design is to over complicate things so as to avoid public questions and oversight. The school board is like a giant corrupt HOA.

 

[Farb]

Yeah I didn't mean to say it was unique only to the Catholic Church, just that that factor was what made it a story and a scandal.

I would say that sexual abuse scandal of the catholic church is a stand alone travesty. Just on the scale of the bureaucracy moving the pedos around to avoid charges or discovery. The pedo that moved other pedo around or even worse, the people that turned a blind eye to the pedo, should be and are continued to be hunted down. Again, I have no problem with execution of all of those and especially the pedos that were able to become priests. A dead pedophile priest is just a dead pedophile in the end so carry on.

Or at the very least, use the drugs that we are using on pre-adolescence for chemical castration. Good enough for the 10 year olds, good enough for the groomers.

 

[bdb13]

@Farb If what you've posted in here is the strength of the evidence which leads you to fully be on board with the theory that there's a sort of culture of permissive attitudes directed towards pedophilia/child sex abuse or something perverted along those lines.. then it's just difficult to continue to engage, or finding a point in doing so, when it's become obvious that you're mostly driven to believe this because of personal and political issues with "the public school system" and that you won't listen to reasonable points made on the issue.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Remove tenure so bad teachers can be fired. Have parents also give teacher evaluations if desired. I bet the attitudes change pretty quick if the parents determine continued employment. Reevaluate school board pay scale. A superintendent making 6 figures in a rural county is just dumb.

I suspect we will see several changes as parents become more aware of the tragedy of failure that is the government school system.

Also, why would it be impossible to have a private sector approach to schools? The bureaucracy created by the bureaucracy for self preservation is not actually needed and by design is to over complicate things so as to avoid public questions and oversight. The school board is like a giant corrupt HOA.

I never said beaurocracy. I said infrastructure. That's more than just the people.

I also never asked you about getting rid of bad teachers. You started this thread to address sexual abuse and assault by public school teachers. Tenure and teacher evaluations have nothing to do with that. How would you address predators among the ranks of public school employees?

 

[bdb13]

@Farb and my point - though I'm sure that was quite lost and that's on me - with my earlier hyperbolic posts was essentially that this is the kind of conjured from thin air stuff that people will roll with that can lead to hate to the point that someone decides to take out teachers because there are molesters because that's the narrative now (because that is sort of the narrative of this thread isn't it?).. or decide they need to bust into, what was it a pizzeria in DC? to save the children locked up in the basement there by Hillary.

You can have grievances but it doesn't mean it has to bleed into everything else.

 

[Farb]

@Farb If what you've posted in here is the strength of the evidence which leads you to fully be on board with the theory that there's a sort of culture of permissive attitudes directed towards pedophilia/child sex abuse or something perverted along those lines.. then it's just difficult to continue to engage, or finding a point in doing so, when it's become obvious that you're mostly driven to believe this because of personal and political issues with "the public school system" and that you won't listen to reasonable points made on the issue.

It is a theory, what kind of evidence do you expect? I have not seen evidence that says there is not a sub-culture in the education system that draws pedos. Why is it possible to have that sub-culture in a church but not a government institution?
The only evidence, besides that the military and church also has a sexual abuse problem, is the numbers of overall teachers to those caught. Is that the evidence that swings your opinion?
Just curious, because you seem to dismiss my theory because of lack of evidence but the counter point has no evidence either. Are you biased because it is a government institution?

 

[Farb]

I never said beaurocracy. I said infrastructure. That's more than just the people.

I also never asked you about getting rid of bad teachers. You started this thread to address sexual abuse and assault by public school teachers. Tenure and teacher evaluations have nothing to do with that. How would you address predators among the ranks of public school employees?

You don't think parent evaluation will help prevent and remove predators from the government school ranks? You don't think tenure allows terrible teachers to remain via cronyism and incomitance?
Explain your idea of infrastructure. Actual schools buildings or are you talking about roads and power?
There are several old school building just in my neighborhood that has been remodeled and updated into apartments and condos? Why not update and remodel them into private schools? What will the state do with the current school buildings, buses, cafeterias, office/Admin buildings? Why would they not just sell them to the private firm, or donate them since it was our money that funded them?