Education Sex Scandal (1 Viewer)

[Farb]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/135-teachers-charged-child-sex-crimes-this-year-alone

"At least 135 teachers and teachers’ aides have been arrested so far this year on child sex-related crimes in the U.S., ranging from child pornography to raping students.

An analysis conducted by Fox News Digital looked at local news stories week by week featuring arrests of teachers and teachers’ aides on child sex-related crimes in school districts across the country. Arrests that weren't publicized were not counted in the analysis, meaning the true number may well be higher.

The analysis found that at least 135 teachers and teachers’ aides have been arrested in 41 states between January 1 and May 13, which works out to about an arrest a day on average."

I said on this board a while ago that eventually that public education will over take the catholic church sex abuse scandal. While I not sure what will be bigger but the toll taken on kids demand we look into this. 135 educators in less than half a year. Terrible. I didn't know where to put this, so I created this thread.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Yeah, I think I would rather a teacher teach what we paid them for. You also missed or deliberately left out my position on pay. They would not be underpaid. That is also the goal, to jettison the activists and to reward the actual teachers. We do have councilors in schools right? Also, school is not a day care. If we pay for the education as tax payers, the kids and parents have to earn the right be there.
Trade and vocation schools should be pushed more than college.
You Dad and brothers sound like great people and are the type of teachers we should hold up as an example.

How does raising teacher pay address the issue of predators working in the school system?

 

[Farb]

Added pay comes with added oversight from employers, parents and the public at large.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Added pay comes with added oversight from employers, parents and the public at large.

No, it doesn't. Additional oversight can happen in any job for any level of pay. In fact, that additional oversight will cost money to implement, which actually lessens the money available to raise teacher salaries. Do you have any viable ideas for weeding out predators from the ranks of school employees or is your entire thread a thinly-veiled screed against the evils of the public school system?

 

[Port City JJ]

Farb is single handedly contributing to the teacher shortage.

Congrats!

 

[Farb]

No, it doesn't. Additional oversight can happen in any job for any level of pay. In fact, that additional oversight will cost money to implement, which actually lessens the money available to raise teacher salaries. Do you have any viable ideas for weeding out predators from the ranks of school employees or is your entire thread a thinly-veiled screed against the evils of the public school system?

So you are against raising pay for teachers because of the cost? It seems you have argued yourself in a corner just for the sake of arguing and asking the same answered question over and over.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

So you are against raising pay for teachers because of the cost? It seems you have argued yourself in a corner just for the sake of arguing and asking the same answered question over and over.

Can you please show me where I said that? I'll save you the trouble- I didn't. I think teachers are severely underpaid. Back to my question that you refused to answer: Do you have any viable ideas for weeding out predators from the ranks of school employees or is your entire thread a thinly-veiled screed against the evils of the public school system?

 

[samiam5211]

Maybe to you, since that is the what you picked to focus on. There will have to be subsidies for the poor, that is a given.

Those subsidies will come with public shaming because they have cell phones while their kids are learning to read on the backs of the wealthy.

 

[Farb]

Can you please show me where I said that? I'll save you the trouble- I didn't. I think teachers are severely underpaid. Back to my question that you refused to answer: Do you have any viable ideas for weeding out predators from the ranks of school employees or is your entire thread a thinly-veiled screed against the evils of the public school system?

I don't think I am a thinly-veiled screed kind of guy. I have said quite plainly that the government school system we have in this country is total and complete garbage.
I think I have provided your 'gotcha' questions answers, you just don't think they will work. I do. So here we are.
Can you explain why extra oversight will take away pay from the teachers?

 

[Farb]

Those subsidies will come with public shaming because they have cell phones while their kids are learning to read on the backs of the wealthy.

Are you saying it is different in our current system? Are the lower economic levels not already learning to read on the taxes of the wealthy and middle class?

 

[samiam5211]

Are you saying it is different in our current system? Are the lower economic levels not already learning to read on the taxes of the wealthy and middle class?

No, the government is educating the workers that the wealthy will eventually use to maintain their wealth.

Once that educations is paid for by way of direct payments to poor families to use for education, people like you will complain that those people can afford wifi or lobster, and wonder why you are paying for their kids to learn how to read.

 

[Farb]

No, the government is educating the workers that the wealthy will eventually use to maintain their wealth.

Once that educations is paid for by way of direct payments to poor families to use for education, people like you will complain that those people can afford wifi or lobster, and wonder why you are paying for their kids to learn how to read.

Gotcha. So again, is there something different happening now? From what I can tell, your only different ingredient is that the money is not 'washed' through the bureaucracy, and they don't get to put their corrupt hands on it.

 

[samiam5211]

Gotcha. So again, is there something different happening now? From what I can tell, your only different ingredient is that the money is not 'washed' through the bureaucracy, and they don't get to put their corrupt hands on it.

The difference is how it will be perceived by people who hate the fact that the government helps the poor. That is an important difference.

Your irrational hatred for the bureaucracy is noted.

You should check out how the charter school system in Louisiana played out, you'd love the lack of bureaucracy.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I don't think I am a thinly-veiled screed kind of guy. I have said quite plainly that the government school system we have in this country is total and complete garbage.
I think I have provided your 'gotcha' questions answers, you just don't think they will work. I do. So here we are.
Can you explain why extra oversight will take away pay from the teachers?

Assuming we can agree that money is a limited resource, sure. Extra anything means extra work. That requires either more work for those currently charged with providing oversight or hiring new people to help with the increased workload. This increased workload applies to others as well, such as those in charge of writing the guidelines as they revamp codes of conduct for teachers as well as the procedures to be followed by those providing the oversight.

In addition, more oversight means chances for a teacher to cross the line, whether intentional or not, regardless of the severity of the line crossing. That means there is a disciplinary process, which takes time and money to resolve as it makes more work for employees, either those employed specifically for this function or those that have this function added to their other responsibilities.

Can you explain how eliminating tenure and instituting parental surveys can weed out teachers that commit felonies when tenure and a lack of parental surveys don't protect teachers that commit felonies from facing legal repercussions?

 

[Farb]

The difference is how it will be perceived by people who hate the fact that the government helps the poor. That is an important difference.

Your irrational hatred for the bureaucracy is noted.

You should check out how the charter school system in Louisiana played out, you'd love the lack of bureaucracy.

I just don't think their is any difference between the 2. The government still helps the poor and some people are mad about it. Some poor people are mad that they don't get the rich peoples money as well.

Hatred? Maybe, but I like to think of it more as a loathing and disgust.

Not a huge fan of charter schools, but they are better than government schools.

 

[Farb]

Assuming we can agree that money is a limited resource, sure. Extra anything means extra work. That requires either more work for those currently charged with providing oversight or hiring new people to help with the increased workload. This increased workload applies to others as well, such as those in charge of writing the guidelines as they revamp codes of conduct for teachers as well as the procedures to be followed by those providing the oversight.

In addition, more oversight means chances for a teacher to cross the line, whether intentional or not, regardless of the severity of the line crossing. That means there is a disciplinary process, which takes time and money to resolve as it makes more work for employees, either those employed specifically for this function or those that have this function added to their other responsibilities.

Can you explain how eliminating tenure and instituting parental surveys can weed out teachers that commit felonies when tenure and a lack of parental surveys don't protect teachers that commit felonies from facing legal repercussions?

Do you think we can accomplish that nation wide for 40 Billion? I think so. So, no, extra salaries and extra work won't cause the system to fail.

So you agree with more oversight, there are more chances to catch the teachers that cross the line. See, we agree on that, so more oversight will lead to hopefully removing pedos and groomers from the teaching ranks, as you just admitted.

I am not only worried about felonies. I am want them fired before a felony can be committed. I don't have all the answers or details, people much smarter than you and I will have to figure this out, but I think we are right the path with more salary and more oversight as a good beginning to removing the government from education.

 

[CoolBrees]

Added pay comes with added oversight from employers, parents and the public at large.

you realize this is Big Government you are espousing here right?

You know what another name for oversight is? Bureaucracy.

So let me be the first to welcome you to the the left!

See to oversee teachers more, you will need more what? Supervisors! And who would these supervisors work for? The government!

Where can I sign up for your plan of expanding education budgets to the point they can absorb these teacher pay increases and all of the additional jobs in oversight; ensuring only Federally approved educational material is being provided.

Bravo!

 

[MT15]

Not only is Farb espousing big government oversight, but also some sort of pre-cognition, if he’s going to nab people for a crime they have yet to commit. How do you discern who is likely to be a sexual abuser beforehand? Do you monitor their private messages? Do you tap their phones? Record and review their browsing history? How do you expect anyone to sign up to be a teacher if they have zero privacy? Our privacy is eroded enough without adding another source of Big Brother looking at everything we say, do or read.

 

[CoolBrees]

I think his plan is expand the budgets so large, all people would either work at the agency or be a teacher.

It’s really the best way to solve a problem that doesn’t exist