All things Racist...USA edition (4 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[Farb]

"All things Outrage Porn"

I thought we already had a thread on that?

Found a couple on the first page.

https://madaboutpolitics.com/threads/qanon.79567/

https://madaboutpolitics.com/thread...ress-and-now-what.108053/page-176#post-233921

But I guess the porn part is dependent on what tribe you belong, no?

 

[Farb]

So, what I am seeing here is that you are proposing that black people are different than white people. They are disciplined more during their school days and commit more crimes, therefore they are different. Is this what you are saying?

I almost ignored this one and I still think I should but I have decided to be more approachable on this site so I will answer with a serious reply instead of the intent you asked the question.

No difference between races other than culture. That culture has been fueled and cultivated by the government. They love for people, especially groups (identity politics) as groups are easier to control, to be dependent on the government.

What I have said over and over is that I would bet that the vast majority of criminals/bad students don't have a family unit in the home. Males especially need a father a figure in their life. If you correct that major flaw in our society. This applies to any color, religion, sex or whatever. How we correct that, I have no idea, but it needs to be done or everyone will continue to blame others (groups make is very easy) for everything instead of focusing on the real problem. The real problem is in the home.

 

[Farb]

So we should apply stereotypes to groups then?

What do you think a stereotype is?

 

[Saintamaniac]

I would bet that the vast majority of criminals/bad students don't have a family unit in the home. Males especially need a father a figure in their life. If you correct that major flaw in our society (things would be different). This applies to any color, religion, sex or whatever. How we correct that, I have no idea, but it needs to be done.

FU for making me agree with you. There was much more that I felt didn't contribute to the main point that I quoted so I ignored it. I don't agree with your take on ANYTHING but the point above is something I completely agree with.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

I almost ignored this one and I still think I should but I have decided to be more approachable on this site so I will answer with a serious reply instead of the intent you asked the question.

No difference between races other than culture. That culture has been fueled and cultivated by the government. They love for people, especially groups (identity politics) as groups are easier to control, to be dependent on the government.

What I have said over and over is that I would bet that the vast majority of criminals/bad students don't have a family unit in the home. Males especially need a father a figure in their life. If you correct that major flaw in our society. This applies to any color, religion, sex or whatever. How we correct that, I have no idea, but it needs to be done or everyone will continue to blame others (groups make is very easy) for everything instead of focusing on the real problem. The real problem is in the home.

This is a good post, and pretty close to spot on. It makes me wish you'd "be more approachable on this site" more often. I disagree somewhat with the part about culture being cultivated by the government. I think the government is more reactionary to culture and exploits it in all groups for political gain than cultivates it, but that's probably a potato-potatoe point. Ultimately it's the same thing or at least the same result.

Even in the burbs, I see a difference between the kids that have an active father in their lives and those that don't. They don't necessarily need to be in the home, although that helps, but by and large the kids with an active father figure in their lives do pretty good.

That's not a 100% thing. There are some exceptions like kids whose parents always make excuses for them and don't hold them accountable, but those tend to be the exception, not the rule.

 

[V Chip]

What do you think a stereotype is?

You miss the emphasis in my question.

I’ll quote myself and make it easier to see.

So we should apply stereotypes to groups then?

Also weird you answered my question to Paul but not the one to you.

 

[First Time Poster]

Don’t play the PC Card. I think this is a legit question.

I'll revisit this nonsense later in the post. I shouldn't but I want to participate in the more serious discussion first.

What I have said over and over is that I would bet that the vast majority of criminals/bad students don't have a family unit in the home. Males especially need a father a figure in their life. If you correct that major flaw in our society. This applies to any color, religion, sex or whatever. How we correct that, I have no idea, but it needs to be done or everyone will continue to blame others (groups make is very easy) for everything instead of focusing on the real problem. The real problem is in the home.

So, good post. I want to acknowledge that first. I have to pushback on the notion that the real problem is in the home, though.

I've linked to this study many times.

Racial Disparities | Opportunity Insights

Racial Disparities in Income Mobility Persist, Especially for Men

opportunityinsights.org

Our results show that the black-white gap in upward mobility is driven primarily by environmental factors that can be changed. But, the findings also highlight the challenges one faces in addressing these environmental disparities. Black and white boys have very different outcomes even if they grow up in two-parent families with comparable incomes, education, and wealth, live on the same city block, and attend the same school. This finding suggests that many widely discussed proposals may be insufficient to narrow the black-white gap themselves, and suggest potentially new directions for policies to consider.

Our results suggest that the most promising pathways to reducing the black-white gap are those whose impacts cut across neighborhood and class lines. They also could focus particularly on improving upward mobility for black men. There are many promising examples of such efforts: mentoring programs for black boys, efforts to reduce racial bias among whites, interventions to reduce discrimination in criminal justice, and efforts to facilitate greater interaction across racial groups. We look forward to partnering with organizations and practitioners engaged in such efforts to evaluate their long-term impacts on mobility systematically and build a knowledge base that can lead to scalable ways to increase opportunity for racial minorities.

Extensive Data Shows Punishing Reach of Racism for Black Boys (Published 2018)

A study of 20 million children shows the fragility of the American Dream.

www.nytimes.com

Gaps persisted even when black and white boys grew up in families with the same income, similar family structures, similar education levels and even similar levels of accumulated wealth.

The disparities that remain also can’t be explained by differences in cognitive ability, an argument made by people who cite racial gaps in test scores that appear for both black boys and girls. If such inherent differences existed by race, “you’ve got to explain to me why these putative ability differences aren’t handicapping women,” said David Grusky, a Stanford sociologist who has reviewed the research.

A more likely possibility, the authors suggest, is that test scores don’t accurately measure the abilities of black children in the first place.

If this inequality can’t be explained by individual or household traits, much of what matters probably lies outside the home — in surrounding neighborhoods, in the economy and in a society that views black boys differently from white boys, and even from black girls.

“One of the most popular liberal post-racial ideas is the idea that the fundamental problem is class and not race, and clearly this study explodes that idea,” said Ibram Kendi, a professor and director of the Antiracist Research and Policy Center at American University. “But for whatever reason, we’re unwilling to stare racism in the face.”
The authors, including the Stanford economist Raj Chetty and two census researchers, Maggie R. Jones and Sonya R. Porter, tried to identify neighborhoods where poor black boys do well, and as well as whites.

“The problem,” Mr. Chetty said, “is that there are essentially no such neighborhoods in America.”

The few neighborhoods that met this standard were in areas that showed less discrimination in surveys and tests of racial bias. They mostly had low poverty rates. And, intriguingly, these pockets — including parts of the Maryland suburbs of Washington, and corners of Queens and the Bronx — were the places where many lower-income black children had fathers at home. Poor black boys did well in such places, whether their own fathers were present or not.

That is a pathbreaking finding,” said William Julius Wilson, a Harvard sociologist whose books have chronicled the economic struggles of black men. “They’re not talking about the direct effects of a boy’s own parents’ marital status. They’re talking about the presence of fathers in a given census tract.”

Other fathers in the community can provide boys with role models and mentors, researchers say, and their presence may indicate other neighborhood factors that benefit families, like lower incarceration rates and better job opportunities.

The research makes clear that there is something unique about the obstacles black males face. The gap between Hispanics and whites is narrower, and their incomes will converge within a couple of generations if mobility stays the same. Asian-Americans earn more than whites raised at the same income level, or about the same when first-generation immigrants are excluded. Only Native Americans have an income gap comparable to African-Americans. But the disparities are widest for black boys.

So, the main issue is race. Bias. In our society, in our institutions. If having a father in your house was the main issue and, thus, the main remedy to the problem, then black boys who grow up in the same neighborhood, families earn the same, are raised the same, have the same family structure and are educated the same as their white counterparts wouldn't face such gigantic gaps in wealth transfer but they do. A black boy raised by rich black parents is statistically more likely to be a poor adult than a rich adult. He had two parents, a father, was educated, had money and grew up sheltered. Why the gap? Race. Bias.

And, yes, having fathers in homes is very important but the study demonstrates that it isn't about having YOUR OWN father at home; it is about living in a neighborhood and a community where fathers are present. Why? Because that indicates those communities see less bias. The fathers aren't dead, aren't incarcerated and have jobs, meaning they were given opportunities and aren't involved in crime. But, even if we achieve that we still have to fix the giant reset button that overwhelmingly affects black men. And to do that, we have to change how our society and our institutions see and treat black men.

@Paul

"Let's not stand on ceremony here, Mr. Wayne."

The more you post here you will come to understand that I am someone who has little need for BS. I'm open and honest and afford that respect to the persons who read this site. I don't have a need to play any cards, PC, race or otherwise. They are of no benefit to me. My posting reputation is secure with most here so I don't have a need to virtue signal for anyone or win debate points. I just call em like I see em.

So, I don't believe in the semantic tap and dance of qualifying, "well, he says bigoted things but I don't know if he is personally a bigot." I live by the standard of being held accountable for what I say and, I in turn, do the same to those who post here. So know, without PC, without virtue signaling, without hesitation, I think you are a bigot because you speak like one. I've read enough of your posts and seen you've been given ample opportunity to qualify said statements and you can't or refuse.

The idea you are floating and cloaking as innocent musing is in reality very dangerous rhetoric sir. And I have to believe someone who has lived here, in this country, since at least the 60s or 70s should know that. It is with that same innocent musing that Nazis used to morally justify exterminating Jews and Blacks were oppressed, enslaved and lynched here. That we are somehow genetically inferior, predisposed to misbehavior and violence. Condemned to ghettos, cordoned off to slums and then use those same very slums to justify us living inferior and being poor.

I don’t believe you to be a white supremacists or white nationalists or even a racist but you speak their love language as a bigot and as long as I have posting privileges here if you decide to speak as a bigot I will call it out as such.

 

[Paul]

So, good post. I want to acknowledge that first. I have to pushback on the notion that the real problem is in the home, though.

Most studies in America show that kids form two parent homes do better academically and are less likely to be poor.

I've linked to this study many times.

Racial Disparities | Opportunity Insights

Racial Disparities in Income Mobility Persist, Especially for Men

opportunityinsights.org

Our results show that the black-white gap in upward mobility is driven primarily by environmental factors that can be changed. But, the findings also highlight the challenges one faces in addressing these environmental disparities. Black and white boys have very different outcomes even if they grow up in two-parent families with comparable incomes, education, and wealth, live on the same city block, and attend the same school. This finding suggests that many widely discussed proposals may be insufficient to narrow the black-white gap themselves, and suggest potentially new directions for policies to consider.

This is to be expected. Americans in the USA achieve differently according to ethnicity. Diversity in level of income and achievement is the norm. To expect the same level of performance is not realistic. Latinos in America perform differently according to nationality. The same applies to Asians, not all do as well as South Koreans. The same applies to European immigrants. There is no equality.

Extensive Data Shows Punishing Reach of Racism for Black Boys (Published 2018)

A study of 20 million children shows the fragility of the American Dream.

www.nytimes.com

Gaps persisted even when black and white boys grew up in families with the same income, similar family structures, similar education levels and even similar levels of accumulated wealth.

That is to be expected. Not all groups achieve the same. Even siblings in the same family achieve differently.

If this inequality can’t be explained by individual or household traits, much of what matters probably lies outside the home — in surrounding neighborhoods, in the economy and in a society that views black boys differently from white boys, and even from black girls.

“One of the most popular liberal post-racial ideas is the idea that the fundamental problem is class and not race, and clearly this study explodes that idea,” said Ibram Kendi, a professor and director of the Antiracist Research and Policy Center at American University. “But for whatever reason, we’re unwilling to stare racism in the face.”
The authors, including the Stanford economist Raj Chetty and two census researchers, Maggie R. Jones and Sonya R. Porter, tried to identify neighborhoods where poor black boys do well, and as well as whites.

Racism is clearly a hurdle and a factor with regards to achievement. However, the problem is not due to a single variable. Most sociologist stay away from other very important variables that need attention.

The research makes clear that there is something unique about the obstacles black males face. The gap between Hispanics and whites is narrower, and their incomes will converge within a couple of generations if mobility stays the same. Asian-Americans earn more than whites raised at the same income level, or about the same when first-generation immigrants are excluded. Only Native Americans have an income gap comparable to African-Americans. But the disparities are widest for black boys.

Besides racism there are other variables that need attention.

 

[MT15]

I almost ignored this one and I still think I should but I have decided to be more approachable on this site so I will answer with a serious reply instead of the intent you asked the question.

No difference between races other than culture. That culture has been fueled and cultivated by the government. They love for people, especially groups (identity politics) as groups are easier to control, to be dependent on the government.

What I have said over and over is that I would bet that the vast majority of criminals/bad students don't have a family unit in the home. Males especially need a father a figure in their life. If you correct that major flaw in our society. This applies to any color, religion, sex or whatever. How we correct that, I have no idea, but it needs to be done or everyone will continue to blame others (groups make is very easy) for everything instead of focusing on the real problem. The real problem is in the home.

You shouldn’t assume intent, you don’t know that. And thank you for answering seriously. It makes this site better when you do that.

 

[RobF]

Most studies in America show that kids form two parent homes do better academically and are less likely to be poor.

This is to be expected. Americans in the USA achieve differently according to ethnicity. Diversity in level of income and achievement is the norm. To expect the same level of performance is not realistic. Latinos in America perform differently according to nationality. The same applies to Asians, not all do as well as South Koreans. The same applies to European immigrants. There is no equality.

That is to be expected. Not all groups achieve the same. Even siblings in the same family achieve differently.

Racism is clearly a hurdle and a factor with regards to achievement. However, the problem is not due to a single variable. Most sociologist stay away from other very important variables that need attention.

Besides racism there are other variables that need attention.

Seems to me that if someone calls you out for speaking like a bigot, turning around and replying to their sourced, reasoned, post by just alleging that "different ethnicities can't be expected to achieve similarly" because of "other variables" that you don't actually specify, doesn't really achieve anything other than to underline just how right they were to call you out.

 

[Paul]

Seems to me that if someone calls you out for speaking like a bigot, turning around and replying to their sourced, reasoned, post by just alleging that "different ethnicities can't be expected to achieve similarly" because of "other variables" that you don't actually specify, doesn't really achieve anything other than to underline just how right they were to call you out.

As usual you post nothing of substance.

Achievement and success is not even equal among siblings that grew up in the same household.

The NY Times is not a reliable source.

To assume lack of achievement is due to only one variable (racism) is obviously a flawed theory and a theory that is designed to propagate misinformation. The other variants (not graduating form high school, teen pregnancy, drugs, perennial government dependency, lack of fathers, etc ) need to be part of the equation.

 

[RobF]

As usual you post nothing of substance.

No. I'm responding to your post, which had nothing of substance in it. Pointing out its lack of substance, consisting - as it usually does with your posts - of nothing but your own allegations, loaded with the phrasing of a bigot, is a completely reasonable response.

Achievement and success is not even equal among siblings that grew up in the same household.

The NY Times is not a reliable source.

To assume lack of achievement is due to only one variable (racism) is obviously a flawed theory and a theory that is designed to propagate misinformation. The other variants (not graduating form high school, teen pregnancy, drugs, perennial government dependency, lack of fathers, etc ) need to be part of the equation.

The NY Times is a vastly more reliable source than you.

You are, unambiguously, posting like a bigot. A bigot denies or diminishes the impact of racism, while referring vaguely to 'other factors'. This is what you're doing, over and over.

If you don't want to post like a bigot, stop doing that.

 

[Paul]

No. I'm responding to your post, which had nothing of substance in it. Pointing out its lack of substance, consisting - as it usually does with your posts - of nothing but your own allegations, loaded with the phrasing of a bigot, is a completely reasonable response.

Your posts are always full of acrimony and insulting remarks. I am putting you on ignore.

 

[RobF]

Your posts are always full of acrimony and insulting remarks. I am putting you on ignore.

Oh no. Although in a way, this is progress. Because he was already ignoring the content of the posts, but at least he's not pretending he isn't now.

For the record, my posts aren't "always full of acrimony, etc", but the tone of them will to some extent naturally reflect the nature of the post I'm responding to. If it's a post full of bigotry, it may get called as such. But I'd suggest the problem there is with the bigoted post, not with the calling it bigoted.

 

[brandon]

Oh no. Although in a way, this is progress. Because he was already ignoring the content of the posts, but at least he's not pretending he isn't now.

For the record, my posts aren't "always full of acrimony, etc", but the tone of them will to some extent naturally reflect the nature of the post I'm responding to. If it's a post full of bigotry, it may get called as such. But I'd suggest the problem there is with the bigoted post, not with the calling it bigoted.

Welcome to the club.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Welcome to the club.

We have chips and salsa but we don’t achieve as much as people who aren’t on ignore because, reasons.

 

[First Time Poster]

No. I'm responding to your post, which had nothing of substance in it. Pointing out its lack of substance, consisting - as it usually does with your posts - of nothing but your own allegations, loaded with the phrasing of a bigot, is a completely reasonable response.


The NY Times is a vastly more reliable source than you.

You are, unambiguously, posting like a bigot. A bigot denies or diminishes the impact of racism, while referring vaguely to 'other factors'. This is what you're doing, over and over.

If you don't want to post like a bigot, stop doing that.

@RobF Honestly, he barely is worth responding to anymore. Had he actually read my post, he would have seen that the first link I left is to the actual study--which wasn't conducted by the New York Times. So, him attacking the Times as a source just outs his ignorance. The 2nd link is to the NYT, which did a wonderful job of highlighting the study and providing living graphs to some of the data for the visual learners. Had he read the Times article, he would have seen they said:

According to the study, led by researchers at Stanford, Harvard and the Census Bureau,

It was the 4th paragraph, no less. So, why should I bother conversing with anyone who can't be bothered to read? Who rebuts a wealth of data with conjecture and opinion, ill-informed. But, he did say one thing I took note of:

That is to be expected. Not all groups achieve the same.

That is his response to the issue of wealth gap. Which, again, outs how he actually feels. You see him, and persons who think like him, are completely fine with a system being unequal because "that is to be expected, not all groups achieve the same" as long as they are the benefactors of that imbalance. Any perceived shift and they lose their minds.

And that my friends is what that insurrectionists temper tantrum on Jan 6 was all about. They don't give a crap about equality, things being fair. They are completely fine with inequality as long as their demographic keeps the advantages, the privileges and the power. And let's be clear here. I'm not talking about the lowest common denominator among them--the supremacists, the nationalists, the racists--I'm talking about the ordinary Joe's and Jill's who don't want any change and are fighting to keep the status quo.

No one ever said race was the ONLY issue. Funny he hates strawmen but loves to build them. But it is THE issue of our time, the main one, and if anyone is serious about things changing, you have to be willing to confront it, no matter what side of the fence you genetically landed on.

 

[samiam5211]

That is his response to the issue of wealth gap. Which, again, outs how he actually feels. You see him, and persons who think like him, are completely fine with a system being unequal because "that is to be expected, not all groups achieve the same" as long as they are the benefactors of that imbalance. Any perceived shift and they lose their minds.

He's not a white supremacist (how can he be, he's a Latin American), he just thinks that some races do better than others.