All things Racist...USA edition (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[samiam5211]

Sadly groups have stereotypes and quite often stereotypes have some basis on reality. The message to take home is to never apply stereotypes to individuals.

Ok, but how?

How do you stereotype a group without stereotyping the members of the group?

 

[V Chip]

Didn't someone post an article/study that showed black students get disciplined more than white students and the percentage were roughly the same as the criminal justice statistics?

So you’re saying our schools are just as institutionally racist as our justice system?

 

[V Chip]

The message to take home is to never apply stereotypes to individuals.

So we should apply stereotypes to groups then?

 

[Paul]

So we should apply stereotypes to groups then?

Groups tend to show common behaviors. Do you disagree?

 

[V Chip]

Groups tend to show common behaviors. Do you disagree?

I disagree. They can show common behaviors. I mean, a group of Saints fans will have common hatred for the Falcons, for instance.

But not all groups do, and especially when the group characteristic is based off of unrelated things.

Do you believe we should try to assign stereotypes to groups?

 

[Paul]

I disagree. They can show common behaviors. I mean, a group of Saints fans will have common hatred for the Falcons, for instance.

But not all groups do, and especially when the group characteristic is based off of unrelated things.

Do you believe we should try to assign stereotypes to groups?

Stereotyping is never a good idea. However, as you stated some stereotypes have some relationship to reality. More importantly, an individual should never be stereotyped.

 

[V Chip]

Stereotyping is never a good idea. However, as you stated some stereotypes have some relationship to reality. More importantly, an individual should never be stereotyped.

You didn't answer the question.

Basically your posts read like you think groups *should* be stereotyped, but you don't want to say it.

 

[not2rich]

This is how we get to: "Black people as a group are dysfunctional, lazy and not that smart. But! I don't judge individuals based on one's group. Here's a black person who is intelligent, hard-working and successful. He surely follows that McWhorter fellow. The key to success is to break away from the stereotype of one's group in order to gain the respect of members of another group."

 

[Paul]

You didn't answer the question.

Basically your posts read like you think groups *should* be stereotyped, but you don't want to say it.

Stereotyping of groups is common. Just because I describe reality it does not mean I am in agreement. However, stereotyping has some basis observations.

The best way to eliminate stereotyping is to treat every person as an individual and not as a member of a group.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Stereotyping of groups is common. Just because I describe reality it does not mean I am in agreement. However, stereotyping has some basis observations.

The best way to eliminate stereotyping is to treat every person as an individual and not as a member of a group.

So people should be individuals and not part of a group?

 

[Paul]

So people should be individuals and not part of a group?

I said a person should be judged as an individual. Whether they belong to a group or not is irrelevant.

I we judge people as individuals racism ends.

 

[Paul]

This is how we get to: "Black people as a group are dysfunctional, lazy and not that smart. But! I don't judge individuals based on one's group. Here's a black person who is intelligent, hard-working and successful. He surely follows that McWhorter fellow. The key to success is to break away from the stereotype of one's group in order to gain the respect of members of another group."

If a person belongs to a group with poor reputation it would be unfortunate to assume he is just like everyone else in the group.

For example it would be poor form to assume all white people are racist. By the way positive stereotypes also come into play, one should not assume all Asians are good in math.

 

[V Chip]

Stereotyping of groups is common. Just because I describe reality it does not mean I am in agreement. However, stereotyping has some basis observations.

The best way to eliminate stereotyping is to treat every person as an individual and not as a member of a group.

Again you didn’t answer the question… but I think that actually answers the question.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Didn't someone post an article/study that showed black students get disciplined more than white students and the percentage were roughly the same as the criminal justice statistics?

I like to judge people individually but using available data to make a decision or come to a conclusion is not racist, it is using actual real world data.

Yes, but we are wanting Paul to answer the question he so eloquently gave two opposite viewpoints on. His answer should be a simple one or the other. but that would mean he would have to crawfish on one of them.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I said a person should be judged as an individual. Whether they belong to a group or not is irrelevant.

I we judge people as individuals racism ends.

But what about the part where someone brought up the gap in discipline between white kids and black kids and you said
"Is there any chance some groups misbehave more than others?" as if that should factor in.
I believe your first answer was your truth answer and now you are changing it to cover yourself without acknowledging what you said.

 

[Paul]

But what about the part where someone brought up the gap in discipline between white kids and black kids and you said
"Is there any chance some groups misbehave more than others?" as if that should factor in.
I believe your first answer was your truth answer and now you are changing it to cover yourself without acknowledging what you said.

If we are searching the truth we need to look at all angles. Perhaps children from disadvantaged homes act out more. Why not look at everything? Assume they found out kids from poor homes misbehave more. They could then implement a program to improve the quality at home rather than to punish a child.

Having said the above we should not judge kids that come from dysfunctional homes as there may be some that do not misbehave. Judge the individual and not the group.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

If we are searching the truth we need to look at all angles. Perhaps children from disadvantaged homes act out more. Why not look at everything? Assume they found out kids from poor homes misbehave more. They could then implement a program to improve the quality at home rather than to punish a child.

Having said the above we should not judge kids that come from dysfunctional homes as there may be some that do not misbehave. Judge the individual and not the group.

I think most will agree with that. But that is not what you said in your original comment.

 

[Saintamaniac]

But what about the part where someone brought up the gap in discipline between white kids and black kids and you said
"Is there any chance some groups misbehave more than others?" as if that should factor in.
I believe your first answer was your truth answer and now you are changing it to cover yourself without acknowledging what you said.

@Paul is not going to answer that question directly. He will never admit he was wrong. Instead he'll avoid answering the question by trying to pivot to something else...exactly like he did below. @Paul has shown an unwillingness to admit wrong when his notions are challenged with facts.

If we are searching the truth we need to look at all angles. Perhaps children from disadvantaged homes act out more. Why not look at everything? Assume they found out kids from poor homes misbehave more. They could then implement a program to improve the quality at home rather than to punish a child.

Having said the above we should not judge kids that come from dysfunctional homes as there may be some that do not misbehave. Judge the individual and not the group.