All things Racist...USA edition (3 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[CoolBrees]

He didn’t change his perception.

He exploited them. Not in a devious way, mind you. Just in a way that makes business sense. Businesses don’t have feelings and don’t make decisions based on bias… at least not ones that are big enough to worry about workforce issues.

The idea that businesses are run like this is asinine on its face.

White people construction workers only?!? Good forking luck getting whites to show up for less than craft wages. your good worker white guys probably walked to go to a union shop paying Davis-Bacon wages…..

 

[Paul]

In your example, how **exactly** did the group with the negative stereotype turn the negative into the positive to change the white owner's mind?

What "internal change" did the Hispanic workers undertake?

Obviously in this case there was no need to change.
However, sometimes, there is a need to change.

 

[V Chip]

Obviously in this case there was no need to change.
However, sometimes, there is a need to change.

So your example wasn't an example to back up your assertion at all.

It was an example of ours, that society needs to change and have its eyes opened to how wrong their stereotypical and bigoted views are. That by being exposed to reality, their wrongheaded viewpoints will be affected and changed.

PS: it is OK to admit you were wrong.

 

[Saintamaniac]

A white dude that owns a construction company has a low opinion of Hispanic immigrants because he mostly pays attention to the negative stereotypes.

I found the problem. The white construction worker has a problem that he needs to address with himself. Why does this white guy believe the stereotypes especially the negative ones? Why is it acceptable that this business owner conducts his business utilizing these negative stereotypes?

 

[Saintamaniac]

So your example wasn't an example to back up your assertion at all.

It was an example of ours, that society needs to change and have its eyes opened to how wrong their stereotypical and bigoted views are. That by being exposed to reality, their wrongheaded viewpoints will be affected and changed.

PS: it is OK to admit you were wrong.

You forgot to thank him for making our point.

 

[V Chip]

You forgot to thank him for making our point.

That's an internal change he needs to make to turn the negative stereotype into a positive one.

 

[Paul]

So your example wasn't an example to back up your assertion at all.

It was an example of ours, that society needs to change and have its eyes opened to how wrong their stereotypical and bigoted views are. That by being exposed to reality, their wrongheaded viewpoints will be affected and changed.

PS: it is OK to admit you were wrong.

OK, the analogy could have been phrased better, but the message is the same. Changing a negative stereotype into a positive one is very useful.

 

[V Chip]

OK, the analogy could have been phrased better, but the message is the same. Changing a negative stereotype into a positive one is very useful.

And again I'll ask how did the Hispanics change the negative stereotype into a positive one? They did nothing differently. It was only when the bigot who had the negative stereotype was exposed to how wrong it was that he changed his mind.

So if you mean to say: "Exposing bigots for how wrong they are will help eliminate their bigotry and end negative stereotypes" then I'm right there with you.

 

[Paul]

So if you mean to say: "Exposing bigots for how wrong they are will help eliminate their bigotry and end negative stereotypes" then I'm right there with you.

I agree, but that assumes that the workers are not lazy.

What would the outcome be if the workers were lazy?

 

[V Chip]

I agree, but that assumes that the workers are not lazy.

What would the outcome be if the workers were lazy?

Are you claiming that Hispanic workers *are* lazy?

 

[Paul]

Are you claiming that Hispanic workers *are* lazy?

Don't be coy.

I said assume that the hispanic workers are lazy. Would that have an effect on the Anglo Saxon boss?

 

[V Chip]

Don't be coy.

I said assume that the hispanic workers are lazy. Would that have an effect on the Anglo Saxon boss?

Not being coy (you think I'm trying to be alluring or cute? )

You're basically asking "what if the stereotype were true?" That's much easier to do with an example of a real stereotype that would be considered true... I mean in this example, it would be much easier to believe that the American non-Hispanic workers were lazy as compared to the Hispanic ones, as Hispanic workers usually work harder and for far less wages than non-Hispanic American workers.

Do you have such an example?

 

[Paul]

Not being coy (you think I'm trying to be alluring or cute? )

You're basically asking "what if the stereotype were true?" That's much easier to do with an example of a real stereotype that would be considered true... I mean in this example, it would be much easier to believe that the American non-Hispanic workers were lazy as compared to the Hispanic ones, as Hispanic workers usually work harder and for far less wages than non-Hispanic American workers.

Do you have such an example?

Let's make sure you understand what is a stereotype:

Stereotypes have a bad reputation, and for good reasons. Decades of research have shown that stereotypes can facilitate intergroup hostility and give rise to toxic prejudices around sex, race, age and multiple other social distinctions. Stereotypes are often used to justify injustice and discrimination, validate oppression, enable exploitation, rationalize violence, and shield corrupt power structures.

Often, the argument over the source of stereotyped group differences masks a fight over the politics of social change. The biology, "nature" side, endorsed more often by those in power, hopes that winning the argument will enshrine the status quo as natural and justified, thus branding attempts to change it as misguided and dangerous. The social constructionist, "nurture" view, appealing to the socially marginalized, embodies the hope that if stereotypes are merely social artifacts, then they can be eradicated by changing the way we are socialized, the way we speak, and the ways we interact.

Stereotype Accuracy: A Displeasing Truth

The prevailing sentiment which sees stereotypical thinking as faulty cognition and stereotypes themselves as patently inaccurate is wrong on both counts.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[V Chip]

Let's make sure you understand what is a stereotype:

You are really condescending.

 

[Saintamaniac]

You are really condescending.

Your are being far too kind.

 

[Saintamaniac]

OK, the analogy could have been phrased better, but the message is the same. Changing a negative stereotype into a positive one is very useful.

What can you do within yourself to change the negative stereotype that you have portrayed since joining this forum? It's pretty obvious that from your posting history, we, as group have found you to fit the stereotype of a someone who has little self-awareness of how ignorant you are of the topics you attempt to discuss and how ridiculous you sound and the ridiculous notions that you have put forth. What is that you can do to change that negative stereotype into a positive one?

 

[RebSaint]

You are really condescending.

I'm surprised you've lasted this long with this foolishness. There doesn't seem to be one iota of ownership or recognition of the stunning, breathtaking ignorance and daily tripe that he spouts.

 

[Paul]

You are really condescending.

I am sorry, I thought it would provide a solid baseline for the discussion. We did not touch the concept that we are all wired to stereotype others and there must be a conscious effort not to stereotype.