2020 Presidential Debate - Round 1 (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

 

[Optimus Prime]

CNN interviewed this "undecided" voter from Ohio who said he's decided to vote for Trump because he thinks it was unfair for Joe Biden to blame Trump for the COVID deaths in the country.

WTH?

First of all, I don't understand how anyone can be truly undecided at this point

But if that's true, who watches that 'debate' last night and decides 'Trump's my guy"?

 

[wardorican]

Some thoughtful analysis on the debate.

Will Such A Cacophonous Debate Change Any Minds?

Welcome to a special, post-debate edition of FiveThirtyEight’s politics chat. The transcript below has been lightly edited. sarah (Sarah Frostenson, politics ed…

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It is really quiet in here, outside of two conservative posters. Is the silence something to read into?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Circling back to Ward's 14 year old daughter watching the debate--I would never let my children watch that because they should not believe that it is okay to behave the way the President of the United States does. If they did they would lose all of their friends and be disciplined at school. And our reaction is that Joe Biden didn't clap back epically enough about porn stars, etc. I don't know if it's social media to blame or reality TV or what but there is something truly wrong here.

It's too late for that

There was an article last year I posted (I'll see if I can find it)saying that's it's not just adults who Trump has made feel emboldened, it was filtering down to even grade school age kids

Whether that's kids emulating trump or emulating adults emulating Trump is a different question

 

[zztop]

Looks like the next two debates are going to be a waste of time as well.

Trump's goal is to just wreck the thing and it's damn near impossible to stop someone from doing that.

Just use a really big gong to drown him out... Actually that probably wouldn't work. It would just be non-stop gong sounds

 

[efil4]

Just use a really big gong tow drown him out... Actually that probably wouldn't work. It would just be non-stop gong sounds

he isnt interested in debating.

his goal is to make such a mockery of the whole process, that those independents and undecideds, decide to sit this election out. Its a suppression tactic. Nothing more.

It worked in 2016 and he firmly believes it will work in 2020.

He has underestimated the electorate.

So his fall back is fraud.

 

[First Time Poster]

Trump: I've been speaking to the government of Nininigeria for months about a deal.

Ehhh, he would probably pronounce it like that other word and then all hell would break loose.

 

[CoolBrees]

The time that Trump got most rattled was when Biden called him Putin’s Puppy. That is when he went after his family.

Obviously that is a very big very sore spot that his tiny hands can’t cover. Make of that what you will but I think we all know what that means

 

[Sandman]

I just read this thread. First, I agree that Biden started slow, but finished stronger. I was concerned during the first 15-20 minutes.

Trump...well... just wow. Right now he is losing. I know, I know...but 2016. There were a lot more undecideds at this point in the election in 2016. Most people have made up their minds, and there just isn't enough undecideds to swing toward Trump to make up the difference in my opinion. Therefore, Trump needs to pull some Biden voters away or convince ALL of the undecideds to vote for him--and that did not happen last night. If anything, he sent undecideds toward Biden.

I watched CNN and FoxNews coverage last night. Hannity was talking about how "sleepy Joe got steamrolled." The Trump supporters that only watch FoxNews will believe that is what happened. The rest of the world is talking about how Trump couldn't denounce racism. Even if you are a Trump supporter and believe that he did, or didn't understand the question or whatever, the fact is that the talking points today are that Trump didn't denounce racism.

Who won the debate is always determined by what is being talked about the next day. Today, it is Trump acting a fool, and his refusal to denounce racism. Trump lost that debate--bad. He solidified his base support, but he gained nothing. In fact, he lost ground. For someone behind with a month to go and people already voting, he completely failed last night.

 

[efil4]

I just read this thread. First, I agree that Biden started slow, but finished stronger. I was concerned during the first 15-20 minutes.

Trump...well... just wow. Right now he is losing. I know, I know...but 2016. There were a lot more undecideds at this point in the election in 2016. Most people have made up their minds, and there just isn't enough undecideds to swing toward Trump to make up the difference in my opinion. Therefore, Trump needs to pull some Biden voters away or convince ALL of the undecideds to vote for him--and that did not happen last night. If anything, he sent undecideds toward Biden.

I watched CNN and FoxNews coverage last night. Hannity was talking about how "sleepy Joe got steamrolled." The Trump supporters that only watch FoxNews will believe that is what happened. The rest of the world is talking about how Trump couldn't denounce racism. Even if you are a Trump supporter and believe that he did, or didn't understand the question or whatever, the fact is that the talking points today are that Trump didn't denounce racism.

Who won the debate is always determined by what is being talked about the next day. Today, it is Trump acting a fool, and his refusal to denounce racism. Trump lost that debate--bad. He solidified his base support, but he gained nothing. In fact, he lost ground. For someone behind with a month to go and people already voting, he completely failed last night.

especially women.

His lack of self control only appeals to trolls. The vast majority of women are not trolls. And when they see a man speak to another man, it brings them back to unruly relationships they have had where the significant other spoke to them in the same manner.

I would argue that his tact last night actually invigorated women to vote for Biden. He attacked his son with such disgust that it was really hard to watch. I saw Biden try to hold back his tears of anger, and he did and hoped that he wouldnt allow Trump the satisfaction. At the same time, my wife saw it too and that humanized Biden.

Trump will get trounced in November. The popular vote will not be close. I will catch flak for saying this here, but my belief in the people of this country, the vast majority, are no longer comfortable with Trumps temperment.

He is nothing more than a carnival barker hurling insults to get people to step inside his show.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

The full focus group:

 

[Nebaghead]

Who won the debate is always determined by what is being talked about the next day. Today, it is Trump acting a fool, and his refusal to denounce racism. Trump lost that debate--bad. He solidified his base support, but he gained nothing. In fact, he lost ground. For someone behind with a month to go and people already voting, he completely failed last night.

I look at this like the second half of a football game. Everyone gets the ball 3 more times. Trump is down by 10 and he needs to get some points on the board. His drive fizzled out and Biden was able to run time off the clock with out scoring anything. Now there are two drives left and he has to score 7 points on the next debate or he is going to have to hope for an onside, pick six or some other miracle play to get back in the game.
Today and tomorrow is where the winner is determined and if the conversation is all about Trump being rude and petulant on the stage and not able to even condemn white supremacist, then he lost big time.

 

[superchuck500]

So freakin sad

 

[CoolBrees]

One of our finer posters asked about what violence the Proud Boys are guilty of.

well here is one of their local leaders having a bad day today.
Spoiler: he was arrested on 12 counts

Proud Boys member Alan Swinney arrested on 12 charges

Known right-wing protester Alan Swinney is spending Wednesday morning in police custody, according to the Multnomah County Jail roster.

www.koin.com

 

[CoolBrees]

Oh and I don’t know if it was posted but Trump mentioned Portland’s sheriff endorsing him.

First, Portland doesn’t have a Sherrif, Multnomah County does. And he has tweeted (I don’t have Twitter) that he not only didn’t endorse him, he doesn’t support him and never would. He went on to say his life and job has been made so much more difficult since Trump started talking about Portland and sending unwanted “help”

 

[zztop]

Oh and I don’t know if it was posted but Trump mentioned Portland’s sheriff endorsing him.

First, Portland doesn’t have a Sherrif, Multnomah County does. And he has tweeted (I don’t have Twitter) that he not only didn’t endorse him, he doesn’t support him and never would. He went on to say his life and job has been made so much more difficult since Trump started talking about Portland and sending unwanted “help”

I got you

 

[Nebaghead]

It looks like some changes are on the horizon.

 

[brandon]

It looks like some changes are on the horizon.

And now they'll scream that the liberals in charge of the ultra-left "Commission on Presidential Debates" are censoring the president.

 

[Ayo]

So, any undecideds change their minds tonight?

LMAO

funny you should mention that. I got a number of texts last night and this morning. Three of which came from family members back home thst I can actually talk politics with. They were probably voting trump but not really enthusiastic so I don’t know how made you vs undecided they actually were. But id talked to them about Trump’s racism and they thought I was being melodramatic. Sure he’s not a great guy but not a racist and a good business man for the economy.

the tax returns and last nights debate have been enough for them not to vote for trump. One said they would Vote Biden the other two didn’t say who they would vote for.

now I know they reached out to me specifically because of conversations we’ve had so I draw no generalizable conclusion beyond that.

but I do feel pretty certain that the debate did make a difference for some people.