Will “mass deportation” actually happen (15 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[Dragon]

Certainly my description was even a bit sterile as your embellishments show. As to scale and final outcome, that remains to be seen. Trump is asking for El Salvador to build "five more" CECOTs. The government is planning to build various "detention centers" . . . so certainly they appear to be scaling up.

And we don't really know how the final results are going to end up - I think my description largely presumed these individuals would be returned to some country of origin where they would either be free or face a result there beyond the USA's intention or control. But that now appears to be the exception rather than the norm, as the administration appears to prefer either indefinite extra-judicial detention or disposition to a foreign prison where they might very well be forced to labor and suffer death.

But I think also the numbers are going to show that the promise of "mass deportation" is and always was political rhetoric that Trump is going to not be able to deliver. I think the numbers to date not only fail to show a major large-scale program, but are actually quite in line with prior years. That will be disappointing to the red-meat authoritarian MAGAs of the country with fantasies of militias rounding up the brown hordes - but hey, at least they got to dream for a while.

Unfortunately, it’s Trump who’s actively pushing for the expansion of foreign detention camps — even for so-called “homegrowns,” meaning U.S. citizens. His team is already laying the groundwork, and what’s worse, they’re openly ignoring the courts — including the Supreme Court when it doesn’t serve their goals.

So the real question is: who’s left to stop him from chasing his dystopian fantasy of mass retribution? If the checks and balances are being bypassed and the public stays passive, what’s to stop him from going all the way?

 

[MT15]

Yeah, that's quite likely how this resolves - yes, the administration's conduct in the proceeding has been contemptuous but the mechanics of a US court forcing the US government to obtain his return seem highly challenged at best. There may end up being some sort of contempt finding for the record but not much else.

But perhaps it causes a change in posture in the courts - soft treatment of the administration in the name of constitutional order only leads to abuse by this particular one.

I read that Bondi has claimed that if they would release him from the concentration camp, they would provide him means to return. Then the dictator from El Salvador claims he cannot return him to the states, but he can certainly release him from the camp - nobody expects him to return him to the states. That this hasn’t happened already is just infuriating. These people are playing word games to keep a man in a concentration camp for no reason. They’re inhuman.

 

[Booker]

Certainly my description was even a bit sterile as your embellishments show. As to scale and final outcome, that remains to be seen. Trump is asking for El Salvador to build "five more" CECOTs. The government is planning to build various "detention centers" . . . so certainly they appear to be scaling up.

And we don't really know how the final results are going to end up - I think my description largely presumed these individuals would be returned to some country of origin where they would either be free or face a result there beyond the USA's intention or control. But that now appears to be the exception rather than the norm, as the administration appears to prefer either indefinite extra-judicial detention or disposition to a foreign prison where they might very well be forced to labor and suffer death.

But I think also the numbers are going to show that the promise of "mass deportation" is and always was political rhetoric that Trump is going to not be able to deliver. I think the numbers to date not only fail to show a major large-scale program, but are actually quite in line with prior years. That will be disappointing to the red-meat authoritarian MAGAs of the country with fantasies of militias rounding up the brown hordes - but hey, at least they got to dream for a while.

Even without the numbers they wanted, again, "the cruelty is the point," as I'm sure many believe it will work as a deterrant against immigration.

 

[superchuck500]

Even without the numbers they wanted, again, "the cruelty is the point," as I'm sure many believe it will work as a deterrant against immigration.

I think the numbers at the border are way down, so that's probably borne out.

 

[superchuck500]

I read that Bondi has claimed that if they would release him from the concentration camp, they would provide him means to return. Then the dictator from El Salvador claims he cannot return him to the states, but he can certainly release him from the camp - nobody expects him to return him to the states. That this hasn’t happened already is just infuriating. These people are playing word games to keep a man in a concentration camp for no reason. They’re inhuman.

Yep.

The Constitutional Crisis Is Here

Trump’s administration is only pretending to comply with the Supreme Court on the matter of a Maryland man it deported erroneously.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Booker]

I think the numbers at the border are way down, so that's probably borne out.

Yes, but I expect this will have, and again was intended to have, a dampening upon all immigration.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Department of Government Efficiency staffers have been given access to government databases containing private information about where people work or live - all with the intention of identifying undocumented immigrants and assisting in President Donald Trump’s mass deportation agenda.

Those databases - at agencies such as the Department of Housing and Urban Development, Social Security Administration and IRS - contain private information that immigrants of all statuses have submitted about themselves, believing the information would not be used against them.

At HUD, officials are working on a rule that would ban mixed-status households – or those with people who have different immigration or citizenship statuses – from obtaining public housing, unnamed staffers

DOGE, which is being spearheaded by Elon Musk, is combing through HUD data to identify undocumented immigrants and then share that data with the Department of Homeland Security to have people removed from accessing public benefits, even if they live with someone who has legal status.

The push is the latest in a string of moves to use government data to help back the executive branch’s priorities. However, legal experts say the moves risk breaking privacy rules and can sow distrust in the government.…….

DOGE is combing through government data to find people for Trump’s deportation plans

Data that DOGE staffers may access include where potential undocumented immigrants may live and work

www.independent.co.uk

 

[superchuck500]

Yes, but I expect this will have, and again was intended to have, a dampening upon all immigration.

Absolutely

 

[RobF]

Unfortunately, it’s Trump who’s actively pushing for the expansion of foreign detention camps — even for so-called “homegrowns,” meaning U.S. citizens. His team is already laying the groundwork, and what’s worse, they’re openly ignoring the courts — including the Supreme Court when it doesn’t serve their goals.

So the real question is: who’s left to stop him from chasing his dystopian fantasy of mass retribution? If the checks and balances are being bypassed and the public stays passive, what’s to stop him from going all the way?

Yes, and the other factor here is time.

We're only just over 12 weeks in. It's 81 weeks until the mid-terms, November 3rd 2026, and 186 weeks until November 7th 2028.

To put it another way, we're just over 12% of the way to the midterms, and around 6% through Trump's second term.

And in just that time we've gone from shutting down the CBP One program and expanding border enforcement, to deporting people to El Salvador not only without due process but actively ignoring court orders in doing so.

I hate to think where we'll be in another twelve weeks. It's clearly going down the path of full on authoritarianism. And if law and order continue to be disregarded, it's very hard to see it stopping.

 

[mad1961]

As we should be. The voters chose chaos over stability.

True. Some of us need to be taught a lesson to end the arrogance.

 

[mad1961]

Unfortunately, it’s Trump who’s actively pushing for the expansion of foreign detention camps — even for so-called “homegrowns,” meaning U.S. citizens. His team is already laying the groundwork, and what’s worse, they’re openly ignoring the courts — including the Supreme Court when it doesn’t serve their goals.

So the real question is: who’s left to stop him from chasing his dystopian fantasy of mass retribution? If the checks and balances are being bypassed and the public stays passive, what’s to stop him from going all the way?

The public seems to be getting rather pissed. I know I have let my congressman know in no uncertain terms.

 

[bird]

Will mass deportation happen? Good question but ultimately not the question to be asked.

Will mass extrajudicial arrests be made is the more important question. You can bet your azz that Blackwater or whatever that scumbag wants more prisons to run. Where they are to be built is really irrelevant. Disappeared is disappeared. They have no voice.

This is what the formers to lazy to vote sanctioned and the formers that voted for the Orange Orangutan actually wanted.

We deserve to collapse because we invited it.

 

[brandon]

Yes, but I expect this will have, and again was intended to have, a dampening upon all immigration.

Yea I’m actually a little worried about a situation at work. I have a network admin with dual American/British citizenship (was born on a military base to American parents in UK and grew up there). He went to UK last week for spring break to visit family.

I’m hoping he doesn’t have any issues on his return flight.

 

[Heathen]

Unfortunately, it’s Trump who’s actively pushing for the expansion of foreign detention camps — even for so-called “homegrowns,” meaning U.S. citizens. His team is already laying the groundwork, and what’s worse, they’re openly ignoring the courts — including the Supreme Court when it doesn’t serve their goals.

So the real question is: who’s left to stop him from chasing his dystopian fantasy of mass retribution? If the checks and balances are being bypassed and the public stays passive, what’s to stop him from going all the way?

Well, I’m not speaking from any inside knowledge - but absolutely massive angry mobs of people maybe. We’re getting there.

I’m not so certain the rumor of martial law isn’t something we could see substantiate in the near future.

This country is starting to look like it’s headed toward a boiling point.

 

[MT15]

Just some basic facts to keep in mind here.

 

[MT15]

The gov argued today that if Abrego is returned they will detain him and deport him again. On what basis is what I don’t understand. He’s been a model of compliance and holds a green card (?)

Judge is moving forward, which unfortunately means 2 weeks of discovery. DOJ lawyer argued that judge didn’t have authority to even do that.

Oh, and original lawyer who was honest in court was fired.

 

[RobF]

In one of the executive orders Trump signed at the start - https://www.whitehouse.gov/presiden...-at-the-southern-border-of-the-united-states/ - there's a bit about the Insurrection Act.

Specifically:

"Within 90 days of the date of this proclamation, the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall submit a joint report to the President about the conditions at the southern border of the United States and any recommendations regarding additional actions that may be necessary to obtain complete operational control of the southern border, including whether to invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807."

That was 85 days ago, so in principle a "report" (I use the quote marks considering who those Secretaries are..) potentially recommending the invocation of the Insurrection Act is imminent.

Thoughts?

 

[MT15]

Just despair, Rob. Simply despair that my country has done this.